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Disgraceful
AA was still employing pilots this past week while the four core Flt Ops managers were fully aware that it was going under, utterly disgraceful and very sad indeed.
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High flyers come crashing down with fall of Air Australia | News.com.au
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High flyers come crashing down with fall of Air Australia | News.com.au
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How can this thing happen? Are heads going to roll or the con men up front are going to go scot free laughing all their way to some off shore banks?
I heard something unrelated sometime ago but I thought it was nonsense and forgot about it. Now I wonder if there is anything to it. A relative with SAC ( Strategic Air Command ) told me sometime back that with the stationing of US troops in Darwin, a lot of troop movements wrt to the Far East Allies will basically done by SAC, so those charters to Kabul, kandahar, Diego Garcia, X'mas Isle, Dahran, etc currently done by others are all going to be changed. Looks like there are a lot of hidden stuff we don't, are not likely to know and probably will never know. Those currently running the charters ferrying troops will be setting up outfits to compete with LCCs when all those charters dry up.
I heard something unrelated sometime ago but I thought it was nonsense and forgot about it. Now I wonder if there is anything to it. A relative with SAC ( Strategic Air Command ) told me sometime back that with the stationing of US troops in Darwin, a lot of troop movements wrt to the Far East Allies will basically done by SAC, so those charters to Kabul, kandahar, Diego Garcia, X'mas Isle, Dahran, etc currently done by others are all going to be changed. Looks like there are a lot of hidden stuff we don't, are not likely to know and probably will never know. Those currently running the charters ferrying troops will be setting up outfits to compete with LCCs when all those charters dry up.
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the insurance company would not cover tickets purchased after a specified date in mid-December
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AA was still employing pilots this past week while the four core Flt Ops managers were fully aware that it was going under, utterly disgraceful and very sad indeed.
SAC doing airlift, I think not. Not only was it not their area of operation (apart from some troop transport in tankers) they don't exist anymore (along with TAC and MAC) and have been inactive for 20 years.
Air Mobility Command is the airlift section of USAF.
Air Mobility Command is the airlift section of USAF.
So, is 'this' a case for the Fed Guvmint to run a 'Training Navex' for the big transports - C-17 - of the RAAF to assist 'The Hard Working Families of Australia' to at least return home??
Financial assistance...with OUR $$$'s ... as in ANY OTHER 'disaster'...
Aussies supporting Aussies...
That need not be seen as 'propping up' the now defunct airline, nor the crooks that run such schemes.
Rather, it would be seen as being 'supportive' to those stranded Aussie taxpayers....might have to 'divert' a few $$'s from the 'Illegals' to assist.....
Might even win a few badly needed votes..???
Perhapssss the funds so spent could be 'recovered' from the subsequent 'firesale' if there be anything left to sell....
Oh dear ...I'm dreamin' again......
Cheers
Financial assistance...with OUR $$$'s ... as in ANY OTHER 'disaster'...
Aussies supporting Aussies...
That need not be seen as 'propping up' the now defunct airline, nor the crooks that run such schemes.
Rather, it would be seen as being 'supportive' to those stranded Aussie taxpayers....might have to 'divert' a few $$'s from the 'Illegals' to assist.....
Might even win a few badly needed votes..???
Perhapssss the funds so spent could be 'recovered' from the subsequent 'firesale' if there be anything left to sell....
Oh dear ...I'm dreamin' again......
Cheers
Some dodgy stuff going on here...
A work colleague is booked to fly with them in 2 weeks. (Despite me strongly discouraging him, and warning him that he should have full travel insurance if he does - explaining the poor service reviews and high likelihood of failure).
He booked in November through flight centre, and took out the full insurance, which at the time covered airlines (including Air Australia/Strategic - as it was prior to the exclusion) for insolvency (as stated on the policy docs given to him).
Now here's the really dodgy bit:
1) The flight centre agent (also the principal agent) strongly encouraged him to pay cash, suggesting the deal was only available to 'cash buyers'.
2) Despite purchasing and signing in November, the agent failed to lodge the insurance policy until the first week of January - and failed to tell my work colleague that the policy had changed since his purchase.
3) The agent said nothing can be done and no refund is possible, and that the only thing he can do is organise a formal meeting with the principal agent (the one and the same agent that sold the tickets for cash and is telling him no refund over the phone).
I've advised him to contact fair trading for advice, and told him to know his rights prior to going in for the meeting. His holiday, like many other AA pax, is down the drain, and he's left in a 'black hole'. At least he's not stuck overseas.
A work colleague is booked to fly with them in 2 weeks. (Despite me strongly discouraging him, and warning him that he should have full travel insurance if he does - explaining the poor service reviews and high likelihood of failure).
He booked in November through flight centre, and took out the full insurance, which at the time covered airlines (including Air Australia/Strategic - as it was prior to the exclusion) for insolvency (as stated on the policy docs given to him).
Now here's the really dodgy bit:
1) The flight centre agent (also the principal agent) strongly encouraged him to pay cash, suggesting the deal was only available to 'cash buyers'.
2) Despite purchasing and signing in November, the agent failed to lodge the insurance policy until the first week of January - and failed to tell my work colleague that the policy had changed since his purchase.
3) The agent said nothing can be done and no refund is possible, and that the only thing he can do is organise a formal meeting with the principal agent (the one and the same agent that sold the tickets for cash and is telling him no refund over the phone).
I've advised him to contact fair trading for advice, and told him to know his rights prior to going in for the meeting. His holiday, like many other AA pax, is down the drain, and he's left in a 'black hole'. At least he's not stuck overseas.
So, is 'this' a case for the Fed Guvmint to run a 'Training Navex' for the big transports - C-17 - of the RAAF to assist 'The Hard Working Families of Australia' to at least return home??
Financial assistance...with OUR $$$'s ... as in ANY OTHER 'disaster'...
Aussies supporting Aussies...
Financial assistance...with OUR $$$'s ... as in ANY OTHER 'disaster'...
Aussies supporting Aussies...
People get into trouble overseas, why do they think the taxpayer should pay to "rescue" them???
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Have to agree there 'Griffo' I'd rather see my tax bucks go to bringing these poor buggers home than see the bucks go to some obscure tree frog in danger or some 'Blue Poles' crap art work that!!!
Perhaps some of the stranded pax could slip on down to the nearest wharf & jump an asylum seeker boat to get back here 'cause at the rate they are pouring into this sucker country this method will be the only way to travel!
Some heard should roll here with this shut down as there must have quite a few execs in the Co who knew that the closure was imminent yet they still let the A/C get airborne!!!!
Wmk2
Perhaps some of the stranded pax could slip on down to the nearest wharf & jump an asylum seeker boat to get back here 'cause at the rate they are pouring into this sucker country this method will be the only way to travel!
Some heard should roll here with this shut down as there must have quite a few execs in the Co who knew that the closure was imminent yet they still let the A/C get airborne!!!!
Wmk2
Hiya TB...
Re "why do they think the taxpayer should pay to "rescue" them??? "
Because they pay their taxes, and they VOTE!!
And, if its a 'Training Exercise' - NAVEX - the services spend the money anyway, so...do some 'good' on the way...and simply 'vary' the NAVEX route...
Unlike some 'others' who claim assistance and absorb SO MUCH of our 'hard earned'$$'s .....for, in some cases, very little or NIL return!!!
Cheers
Re "why do they think the taxpayer should pay to "rescue" them??? "
Because they pay their taxes, and they VOTE!!
And, if its a 'Training Exercise' - NAVEX - the services spend the money anyway, so...do some 'good' on the way...and simply 'vary' the NAVEX route...
Unlike some 'others' who claim assistance and absorb SO MUCH of our 'hard earned'$$'s .....for, in some cases, very little or NIL return!!!
Cheers
People get into trouble overseas, why do they think the taxpayer should pay to "rescue" them???
These people bought tickets in good faith, they are not insiders like you and me, I hope nothing ever happens to you that would require "outside" help from any direction coz I would be on the band wagon saying, "no way" to you.
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Get a life Arnold!
You reckon you're an Insider?
No your not!
Anyone who buys a ticket on a cheap, crap airline, because they want a cheap, crap fare, knowing that the airline in question is a cheap, crap airline, deserves to lose their money if the cheap, crap airline goes belly up!
You want value for money.
Stick with the airlines with runs on the board.
And stick with travel agents who have runs on the board too!
Book with East West Loco, take his advice, and you'll do fine.
You reckon you're an Insider?
No your not!
Anyone who buys a ticket on a cheap, crap airline, because they want a cheap, crap fare, knowing that the airline in question is a cheap, crap airline, deserves to lose their money if the cheap, crap airline goes belly up!
You want value for money.
Stick with the airlines with runs on the board.
And stick with travel agents who have runs on the board too!
Book with East West Loco, take his advice, and you'll do fine.
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Ozangel,
I hope your mate has a copy of the insurance contract that he was sold- the one with insolvency insurance cover as an inclusion 
. If he has this then he should be fine. If Flight Center is acting as a broker for travel insurance then a policy contract must still be honoured regardless that they failed to submit documentation*.
In the event that there are further problems, get him in contact with the Insurance Industry Ombudsman. Best of luck to your mate, I hate to hear of unethical practices like this
*( I faced a very similar situation some years ago when NRMA tried to worm their way out of paying for hail damage to my Merc 230TE- The insurer came out with every trick in the book to sleaze out of their contractual obligation. I was doubtful regarding the ombudsman, but they actually have teeth and can get things sorted pretty quickly).
Despite purchasing and signing in November, the agent failed to lodge the insurance policy until the first week of January - and failed to tell my work colleague that the policy had changed since his purchase.
. If he has this then he should be fine. If Flight Center is acting as a broker for travel insurance then a policy contract must still be honoured regardless that they failed to submit documentation*.In the event that there are further problems, get him in contact with the Insurance Industry Ombudsman. Best of luck to your mate, I hate to hear of unethical practices like this
*( I faced a very similar situation some years ago when NRMA tried to worm their way out of paying for hail damage to my Merc 230TE- The insurer came out with every trick in the book to sleaze out of their contractual obligation. I was doubtful regarding the ombudsman, but they actually have teeth and can get things sorted pretty quickly).
Anyone who buys a ticket on a cheap, crap airline, because they want a cheap, crap fare, knowing that the airline in question is a cheap, crap airline, deserves to lose their money if the cheap, crap airline goes belly up!
Yes and ok insider was perhaps a poor choice of phrase if you want to be pedantic, which clearly you do, I will retract and say" some knowledge of the industry and its workings, somewhat more than the lady down the road".
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Don't worry Arnold, some of us knew where you were coming from 
Very few lay people have any idea how the industry works, they assume it's just like any other. A bit of empathy for others seems to lack from a lot of pilots round these parts.
Very few lay people have any idea how the industry works, they assume it's just like any other. A bit of empathy for others seems to lack from a lot of pilots round these parts.
Anthill, thanks!
He sent me a picture of the document he has, stating it will cover you 'if your airline/tour operator goes broke', and he has the purchase receipt etc.
I'll tell him to get onto Insurance Industry Ombudsman if the meeting doesn't go well.
Cheers.
He sent me a picture of the document he has, stating it will cover you 'if your airline/tour operator goes broke', and he has the purchase receipt etc.
I'll tell him to get onto Insurance Industry Ombudsman if the meeting doesn't go well.
Cheers.
