AIPA President Drops the ball on Lateline 31/10/2011
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Quote of the week.
“Here we have a CEO who pocketed a two million dollar pay rise on Friday, stranded 68,000 passengers around the globe on Saturday, tried to pin the blame on the government on Sunday and then thinks he can claim victory and walk away scot-free on Monday".
Says all that needs to be said, very neatly for my 2 bobs worth.
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So Joyce's handling of the matter was risky. So he took an unprecedented step. So he needed the backing of the board to do it. So he put his reputation and his job on the line. So he forced the government to get involved? Sounds like a lot of work for a CEO.
I'm not surprised he got a pay rise. The markets put Qantas up around 5%, so they liked it.
I'm not surprised he got a pay rise. The markets put Qantas up around 5%, so they liked it.
A pilot spoke on Ross Greenwood's 'Talking Money' show last night at about 19:15.
He, IMO, spoke well, put across to Greenwood some good points to which Greenwood agreed, then when he gave the example of the young new /manager's' straight out of Uni who come up with the 12 cups of tea from 1 tea bag rule to save money.......Greenwood laughed and basically finished the call.
My point though, there has to be guys out there who can tell the media what's going on, there are no doubt, plenty of pilots who can do it but as for doing it on camera.... not sure about that, surely a 2nd tier PR company could be used.
He, IMO, spoke well, put across to Greenwood some good points to which Greenwood agreed, then when he gave the example of the young new /manager's' straight out of Uni who come up with the 12 cups of tea from 1 tea bag rule to save money.......Greenwood laughed and basically finished the call.
My point though, there has to be guys out there who can tell the media what's going on, there are no doubt, plenty of pilots who can do it but as for doing it on camera.... not sure about that, surely a 2nd tier PR company could be used.
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I didn't realize that AJ wanted to be a pilot, earlier in his career. Here is the online article.
Pilot reject came up through ranks | Courier Mail
Pilot reject came up through ranks
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WORKING CLASS: Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce. Picture: AFP Source: AFP
THE man who is attempting to steer Qantas through the biggest crisis of its 90-year history is a mathematical whiz from a working-class Irish family.
Alan Joyce entered the aviation industry straight out of Trinity College in Dublin where he studied science, majoring in physics and maths.
The eldest son of blue-collar parents Maurice and Collette, Joyce dreamed of being a pilot when he started work with Ireland's national carrier Aer Lingus in 1988 but failed the vision test.
Instead he focused on management, and quickly moved up the ranks from his first job as operations research analyst.
After eight years with Aer Lingus, during which Joyce worked on an ultimately unsuccessful plan to match the aggressive budget airline Ryanair, he was headhunted by Ansett and moved to Melbourne.
He left before the airline went bust, joining Qantas in late 2000 as the head of network planning.
Just three years later, Joyce was made chief executive of Jetstar where he used chunks of the Ryanair business model to build a successful budget airline. This included the 25-minute aircraft turnaround policy, to get maximum use out of aircraft and reduce the cost of flight crew stopovers.
In 2005, Joyce was asked to head up Aer Lingus, but he stuck with Jetstar and in 2008 was rewarded with the plum position of Qantas chief executive, replacing Geoff Dixon.
Much has been made of the fact Joyce started in the job on a much-reduced salary to his predecessor, but has since increased his annual income to more than $5 million a year.
Joyce became an Australian citizen in 2004.
Now 45, Joyce is intensely private and has refused to even name his long-term partner - a New Zealand man - with whom he lives at The Rocks in Sydney.
Pilot reject came up through ranks | Courier Mail
Pilot reject came up through ranks
- by: Robyn Ironside
- From: The Courier-Mail
- October 31, 2011 12:00AM
0 WORKING CLASS: Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce. Picture: AFP Source: AFP
THE man who is attempting to steer Qantas through the biggest crisis of its 90-year history is a mathematical whiz from a working-class Irish family.
Alan Joyce entered the aviation industry straight out of Trinity College in Dublin where he studied science, majoring in physics and maths.
The eldest son of blue-collar parents Maurice and Collette, Joyce dreamed of being a pilot when he started work with Ireland's national carrier Aer Lingus in 1988 but failed the vision test.
Instead he focused on management, and quickly moved up the ranks from his first job as operations research analyst.
After eight years with Aer Lingus, during which Joyce worked on an ultimately unsuccessful plan to match the aggressive budget airline Ryanair, he was headhunted by Ansett and moved to Melbourne.
He left before the airline went bust, joining Qantas in late 2000 as the head of network planning.
Just three years later, Joyce was made chief executive of Jetstar where he used chunks of the Ryanair business model to build a successful budget airline. This included the 25-minute aircraft turnaround policy, to get maximum use out of aircraft and reduce the cost of flight crew stopovers.
In 2005, Joyce was asked to head up Aer Lingus, but he stuck with Jetstar and in 2008 was rewarded with the plum position of Qantas chief executive, replacing Geoff Dixon.
Much has been made of the fact Joyce started in the job on a much-reduced salary to his predecessor, but has since increased his annual income to more than $5 million a year.
Joyce became an Australian citizen in 2004.
Now 45, Joyce is intensely private and has refused to even name his long-term partner - a New Zealand man - with whom he lives at The Rocks in Sydney.
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I met a man a few years ago, about early fifties and as a Captain, he was about to leave JS for SE Asia to fly. He had a recent experience that he was not comfortable with (and my job involved discussing that). He told me much about the 25 minute turnaround and how that business model did not fit with his training and career understanding of safe flight, planning, briefing, aircraft preparation aspects etc. I came from the same flying training regime as this as did many of us who learned to fly in the 70's. There have been many incidents associated with these issues and there will be many more as there is really only one way to prepare for flight. Sure aviation, especially high-end public transport, is safe but this safety is diminished by this business model. The fact remains that passengers see aviation as risky, probably because when it goes wrong, it is is really spectacular and the business model results are usually terminal. Sometimes the self-righteous, uneducated and narrow-minded means to an end by business managers is self-destructive. The management model should really include some strong operational and safety component that can balance this, otherwise there may be no business model to worry about as the supply and demand chain will diminish to zero very quickly; spectacularly in fact.
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Originally Posted by Me Myself
I beg to differ. When I fly, I am absolutly not interested in employee's rant. I just want to get home or wherever, hassle free and not pestered by PA annoucements other than what's expected from a normal airline.
I find this totally unprofessional.
I find this totally unprofessional.
Do you find it unprofessional that couriers delivering lockout notices to pilots have stated that the delivery was booked before the AGM?
Do you find it unprofessional that the CEO of a very large company would say things on camera that are demonstrably false or exaggerated?
Do you find it unprofessional that a Qantas spokeswoman would complain that "you can't just switch an airline on and off" only a few weeks before its CEO did exactly that?
Do you find it unprofessional that a CEO would collectively punish tens of thousands of customers with virtually no notice at all, on a weekend?
Do you only complain about "professionalism" when it suits you?
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Me myself and anyone else who believes QF propaganda... The QF LH EBA can be viewed online and the current hourly pay rates for pilots can easily be found and analysed.
Some notes for your research. A380 pilots are flying a fleet that is still developing so very few of the line pilots fly a full line... They are displaced for training. The current roster divisor is 160 hours and there are 6.25 roster periods in a year. This will get you a base rate. Add approx 20 hours of overtime for 5 of those roster periods. Add another 30 hours for simulator and ground duties.
That will give you the gross pay of an average line a380 captain. If you come up with a figure anywhere near 530000 dollars give me a call and I will refer you to a good calculator repair shop.
Some notes for your research. A380 pilots are flying a fleet that is still developing so very few of the line pilots fly a full line... They are displaced for training. The current roster divisor is 160 hours and there are 6.25 roster periods in a year. This will get you a base rate. Add approx 20 hours of overtime for 5 of those roster periods. Add another 30 hours for simulator and ground duties.
That will give you the gross pay of an average line a380 captain. If you come up with a figure anywhere near 530000 dollars give me a call and I will refer you to a good calculator repair shop.
I watched Lateline. I was a little disappointed with some of the missed opportunities, but my wife thought he was great. He certainly did not come across as a militant evil unionist and did get good points across.
FWIW I was told by someone I trust that there ARE some management capts on the 380 earning over $500. I was staggered, no they certainly would never be the ones locked out, but it seems it is true.
When you consider relative salaries, I think one point is often missed. Qantas salaries from the -400 down are on par with the rest of the world. The 380 seems a bit higher, but remember the $AUD has 'never' been this high. If anything untoward happens in China, it is highly likely the $AU will fall quickly to its historical norms of .65c - .85c. That would adjust the pay scales considerably - as it would fuel.
FWIW I was told by someone I trust that there ARE some management capts on the 380 earning over $500. I was staggered, no they certainly would never be the ones locked out, but it seems it is true.
When you consider relative salaries, I think one point is often missed. Qantas salaries from the -400 down are on par with the rest of the world. The 380 seems a bit higher, but remember the $AUD has 'never' been this high. If anything untoward happens in China, it is highly likely the $AU will fall quickly to its historical norms of .65c - .85c. That would adjust the pay scales considerably - as it would fuel.
Australians need to wake up. we are selling our country right across the board not just the airline industry.
The day is coming that australians in order to live and work in australia in any role other than a manager, will first have to have lived and worked in Asia.
The day is coming that australians in order to live and work in australia in any role other than a manager, will first have to have lived and worked in Asia.
but my wife thought he was great. He certainly did not come across as a militant evil unionist and did get good points across.
Barry was calm and conciliatory - this is the tone the public support in a pilot Carry on Like Alan Joyce and you wont get any support from anybody
Stay behind the scenes Barry
I agree, no disrespect to Barry Jackson, but he doesn't present well in interviews. Television or radio.
Ian Woodward is a much better choice to front the media, in my opinion.
Ian Woodward is a much better choice to front the media, in my opinion.
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Just a quick one, maybe it's time for Fatigue management on all players after the weekend dramas. Barry Jackson looked worn out to me, I wonder how long it is since he's had his wife's cold feet on his back in his own bed
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Nobody doubts the place needs a restructure, but one obvious point you made suggests a vast contrast to the current boards approach. nearly ANZ
I wonder what they do different?
don't restructure the business and see what happens>>>
Swissair/Pan Am/SAS/TWA/Eastern/United/America West/PSA/Wardair/UTA/Ansett/nearly ANZ/Sabena/Olympic/etc etc
Swissair/Pan Am/SAS/TWA/Eastern/United/America West/PSA/Wardair/UTA/Ansett/nearly ANZ/Sabena/Olympic/etc etc
I wonder what they do different?
Pffft...
- It's been the company saying "no" for >12 months,
- It's been the company which, through its own deceptive/misleading/disingenuous recent history and looseness with facts, has failed to clearly and unambiguously lead employees where they need to get to,
- It's been the company which failed to make a counter-offer to the contentious claims,
- It was the company's 'negotiating style' which prompted FWA to authorise specified and legal "Protected Industrial Action",
- It's been AIPA (& others in their way) which complied with every FWA requirement in 'ramping up' to wearing the incredibly disruptive red ties,
- It was AJ who grounded the airline with 3-hours notice.
- It's been the company which, through its own deceptive/misleading/disingenuous recent history and looseness with facts, has failed to clearly and unambiguously lead employees where they need to get to,
- It's been the company which failed to make a counter-offer to the contentious claims,
- It was the company's 'negotiating style' which prompted FWA to authorise specified and legal "Protected Industrial Action",
- It's been AIPA (& others in their way) which complied with every FWA requirement in 'ramping up' to wearing the incredibly disruptive red ties,
- It was AJ who grounded the airline with 3-hours notice.
98% of shareholders don't support you
It is likely that the majority of shareholders were against the resolutions with a minority of shareholders holding 96% of the shareholdings passing them.
Perhaps it's time that for interests sake, the results from individual shareholders votes be available.
