Fly-in, fly-out culture stretching air traffic
Be creative? Can you be creative with operating procedures on the flight deck
Yes, I've heard the same old " you don't have the big picture " excuses before and of course I don't expect any controller to actually admit there are good and bad controllers.
One PH ATC ex HK reckons it was a doddle compared to PH these days
You reckon PH basin airspace is simple, with PEA & JT??
Your comments just prove you lot need to get out and see a real airport in operation.
airdualbleeedfault, it does not matter at all how bad arse Hong Kong may be, 40 acft rocking up to arrive or taxi in a 30 minute window on a single runway is not going to work anywhere in the world. The problem here is that that half wit Two First Names thinks the solution is to ask his customers to change what they want as opposed to finding a way to cater to the market.
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What absolute BS !
There is still a couple of HKG ATCs ex PH, we know how hard they work.
don't expect any controller to actually admit there are good and bad controllers.
the issue of a lot of local pilots doing their own thing
Your comments just prove you lot need to get out and see a real airport in operation.
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"Been to airports in the States, Middle East, UK and that wonderful place HKG, still reckon individual ATCs in Australia (including PH) work as hard as any in the world. "
--Wow - big call
--Wow - big call
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Yeah well when I went into VHHH 3 days ago it was NOMAN Star>Vector> Slowdown>vector> Star> speed up 300kts> vector> Vector *now headed south at 300kts @ 4000ft> vector> slow down> Star> runway change> Vector> speed up> cleared for the app call the tower, Between 3 approach controllers a then director before tower.
Perth would have a pink fit before they coped with the traffic density.
Absolutely not a dig at the controllers, but the work practices shoved down their throats and the lack of real estate.
Perth like Brisbane needs another runway yesterday, not a DFO or parking lot.
However politics and the $ worshipers will stifle our profession until there is a buck to be made by someone actually doing a good job.
Perth would have a pink fit before they coped with the traffic density.
Absolutely not a dig at the controllers, but the work practices shoved down their throats and the lack of real estate.
Perth like Brisbane needs another runway yesterday, not a DFO or parking lot.
However politics and the $ worshipers will stifle our profession until there is a buck to be made by someone actually doing a good job.
Yes, I've heard the same old " you don't have the big picture " excuses before and of course I don't expect any controller to actually admit there are good and bad controllers.
Why do you find it so hard to accept that there are more factors than you can see from the pointy end & on TCAS? Maybe it's actually true......
My arrivals sequence might be a nice "string of pearls", until the flow controller intervenes & tells me to "max him up", "loose another 2 minutes with that one", etc & so forth. The buggering around you're getting from me may be all to do with what is going on in someone else's airspace.
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We don't have single man operations in Germany. It is considered dangerous and thus it is very rare that it happens and strictly monitored to be in very low traffic scenarios.
However on the other side its called worlds best practice. Somebody must be wrong.
However on the other side its called worlds best practice. Somebody must be wrong.
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You forgot to mention the highspeed taxiways in HK, landing on one departing on the other, taxiway system that leads to thresholds, no BS noise abatement criteria, 5 terminal area controllers v 2 in PH.
Check out the fragrant harbour thread and see how well HK ATC fare with the locals there.
Small minded, narrow focussed people are what have gotten us into this pickle.
Its about the airport infrastructure, not the individuals.
You forgot to mention the highspeed taxiways in HK, landing on one departing on the other, taxiway system that leads to thresholds, no BS noise abatement criteria, 5 terminal area controllers v 2 in PH.
Check out the fragrant harbour thread and see how well HK ATC fare with the locals there.
Small minded, narrow focussed people are what have gotten us into this pickle.
Its about the airport infrastructure, not the individuals.
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Liam Bartlett's latest article in the Sunday Times 4th Dec:
Perth Airport is a nightmare | Perth Now
Bravo Liam.
Great article!!
Cheers.
K-Ex.
Perth Airport is a nightmare | Perth Now
Bravo Liam.
Great article!!
Cheers.
K-Ex.
And today at lunchtime, werent perth atc under pressure due to weather? Arriving traffic being told to expect up to 60 mins delays, traffic choosing to divert to ypkg or ypad, a rapidly diminishing number of parking spots on the apron (it seemed like even those who had private parking werent guaranteed a speedy arrival).... I reckon atc (perth and elsewhere) were working flat chat today.....
Perth like Brisbane needs another runway yesterday, not a DFO or parking lot.
It seems like the people who run airports these days find aviation infrastructure to be an expensive nuisance.
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You can add AKL to the list above, they put off building their 2nd runway too. "Retail is where money is to be made" -thats what nearly all airport companies think.
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In the immortal words of Master Yoda...
Perth like Brisbane needs another runway yesterday, not a DFO or parking lot.
