DASH 8 accident in PNG
It may not have been a DIY GPS procedure, probably rather a case of 'watch this'. In any case, a highly experienced pilot managed to hit the Kuta ridge well below the accepted visual MSA and landed the Twotter at Hagen with part of one wingtip sheared off and foliage buried in the leading edges of the wings. Had it been a foot or two lower it could have been fatal. Whether a dodgy GPS position played a part, is also not something I know. The guy at CASAPNG who knew most of the facts surrounding this has since passed away, so maybe what really occurred will never become public. More's the pity because there is a lot we could learn from this.
How it was suppressed from the newspapers I dunno. Perhaps the shareholding has something to do with why some operators in PNG appear to be protected species......
How it was suppressed from the newspapers I dunno. Perhaps the shareholding has something to do with why some operators in PNG appear to be protected species......
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I have it on very good authority that a certain Chief Pilot of TT was appointed to the HFO position of APNG and was undermined from DAY1 by a certain kiwi individual and had no choice but to "exit stage left" after only 8 weeks because he felt compromised. Apparently he said the place was a train wreck and it was only a matter of time before history is repeated. His words not mine.
Mach E Avelli surely the crew on board know more about what happened then the guy from PNGCASA?
The PNGCASA guy could have cleaned a lot of stuff up but like most itinerants to PNG (and there has been many) all that seems to happen is charge on in mess with a heap of stuff and leave the place worse then he found it...
Alot of lessons have been learnt from the incidents and accidents the difference is it is the industry that must uphold the standards as PNGCASA will never in force anything.
MAF, Hevilift, SouthWest are all no different to APNG from what I have seen.
The PNGCASA guy could have cleaned a lot of stuff up but like most itinerants to PNG (and there has been many) all that seems to happen is charge on in mess with a heap of stuff and leave the place worse then he found it...
Alot of lessons have been learnt from the incidents and accidents the difference is it is the industry that must uphold the standards as PNGCASA will never in force anything.
MAF, Hevilift, SouthWest are all no different to APNG from what I have seen.
Of course the crew in any survivable accident know more than anyone else about what really happened. Point I was trying to make is that the one person in CASAPNG who seemed to think it warranted some serious action passed away and since then it appears to have simply never happened.
And yes, some other operators in that part of the world need a boot in the bum as well, but who is gonna do it?
The CASA PNG terms and conditions simply won't retain good people, and those few who have shown some integrity and have tried to investigate serious incidents and discipline miscreant operators have been unable to penetrate the politics. Imagine someone shutting down any of the operators you mention a week before Xmas a la Barrier and Hardy. It would never happen.
And yes, some other operators in that part of the world need a boot in the bum as well, but who is gonna do it?
The CASA PNG terms and conditions simply won't retain good people, and those few who have shown some integrity and have tried to investigate serious incidents and discipline miscreant operators have been unable to penetrate the politics. Imagine someone shutting down any of the operators you mention a week before Xmas a la Barrier and Hardy. It would never happen.
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Mach has hit the nail fair and squarely on the head re CASA PNG. The AIC, PNG ASL and NAC are ran in similar fashion to CASA. Having said this I believe that the new government are at least trying to address some of the issues with respect to the aviation industry. At least we don't have 50 year old junk flying around in PNG doing RPT like some other nations around the world.
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In regard the EHL safety award it was awarded on merit, the A/PNG operations on that contract are squeaky clean. EHL pay top dollar and insist on compliance in all aspects.
When you pay top dollar you can turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.
Pity this cannot be replicated more often in a dollar orientated world
When you pay top dollar you can turn a sow's ear into a silk purse.
Pity this cannot be replicated more often in a dollar orientated world
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JUNK???????? At least they don't need hubcaps! Keep the ranks closed fella's, those two crew need all the support they can get. The Press, watch.
Given the report that come out on the P2-TAA accident recently it would be safe to assume that the final report will be reasonably accurate. I believe all the FDR and CVR data was removed and was all recoverable.
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It is disappointing that for two contributors who appear to have experience in PNG, that you do not appear to not show at least some support for the industry as a whole and espicially the pilots for the efforts everyone goes to in trying to operate in an environment where it would appear nothing works.
My disdain and disgust is aimed at those who cut corners, run shonky outfits, fail to oversight their operations level of safety and KILL PEOPLE. Then they try to distance themselves, shuffle the deck chairs, avoid accountability and run for the hills like spineless toads.
MachTwelve, as for disliking my reference to APNG, debating is useless and no more comment on that from me, let the statistics speak for themselves.
As for PNG CAA......hmmmm. Again, that really speaks for itself doesn't it???
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From what you hear,the extreme hours these guys fly and he poor maintenaince hasn`t changed; 50 plus on duty hours a week is really a bit over the top.
Accidents will happen if this sort of operation doesn`t change.Does CASA ever get off their backsides or don't they care.
Accidents will happen if this sort of operation doesn`t change.Does CASA ever get off their backsides or don't they care.
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Fugitive, what a surprise, not. The only good thing about that company are the pilots. As for CASA or closer to home the CAA, you will be waiting a long long time for either of those dinosaurs to actually do something proactive.
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So fingers are being pointed at CASA now, I assume you guys are referring to the PNG CASA. I think that everyone in the know has half an idea of what triggered this accident. At the time of the accident the type of incident that triggered things to go pear shaped could have occurred to "ANY" Dash 8 operator in the world. PNG CASA actually acted (post accident) in the most appropriate way with regards to the implementation of the mandatory AD.
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APNG issues continue
Is this ban still in place?
On 27th October 2011 The American Embassy in Papua New Guinea has banned all its staff and citizens from flying on Airlines PNG. In a message posted on its website last Thursday, the embassy said US citizens travelling to or living in Pa pua New Guinea must not travel on the airline until further notice. It said embassy personnel could fly with Airlines PNG only with the approval of the US ambassador to PNG and only for the embassy’s essential business. It issued this directive following the airline’s recent plane crash on Oct 13 in Madang, when a Dash 8 crashed, killing 28 of the 32 people on board. The embassy said Airlines PNG had experien ced two plane crashes in the recent past, resulting in 41 deaths. The embassy had encouraged Americans to maintain an updated profile in the Smart Traveller Enrolment Programme, or STEP, at the website: http://mwerigi.********.com.au/2011/...e-of-apng.html
The public voice:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/APNG-Must-Go/
A reminder:
Incidents and accidents:
On 27th October 2011 The American Embassy in Papua New Guinea has banned all its staff and citizens from flying on Airlines PNG. In a message posted on its website last Thursday, the embassy said US citizens travelling to or living in Pa pua New Guinea must not travel on the airline until further notice. It said embassy personnel could fly with Airlines PNG only with the approval of the US ambassador to PNG and only for the embassy’s essential business. It issued this directive following the airline’s recent plane crash on Oct 13 in Madang, when a Dash 8 crashed, killing 28 of the 32 people on board. The embassy said Airlines PNG had experien ced two plane crashes in the recent past, resulting in 41 deaths. The embassy had encouraged Americans to maintain an updated profile in the Smart Traveller Enrolment Programme, or STEP, at the website: http://mwerigi.********.com.au/2011/...e-of-apng.html
The public voice:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/APNG-Must-Go/
A reminder:
Incidents and accidents:
- 15 December 1992. A Britten-Norman Islander aircraft struck a mountain near Alotau, Papua New Guinea. 6 people killed.
- 12 July 1995. Shortly after takeoff from Dagura Airport, the Twin Otter aircraft exploded and crashed into shallow water. 13 people killed.
- 11 May 1996. Britten-Norman Islander flew into a valley surrounded by high terrain near Oumba. Pilot attempted a 180 degree turn, but crashed into trees. 1 passenger killed.
- 9 July 1996. Twin Otter aircraft struck a mountain in cloudy conditions on approach to Mendi. 20 killed.
- 29 July 2004. Twin Otter crashed near Ononge, in cloudy conditions. 2 killed.
- 11 August 2009. Flight 4684, a Twin Otter, made a failed go-around in cloudy conditions near Kokoda. The aircraft crashed into a mountain at an altitude of 5500 feet (1676 metres). All 13 people on board were killed.
- 13 October 2011. An Airlines PNG Dash 8-100, registration P2-MCJ, performing flight CG1600 from Lae to Madang (Papua New Guinea), crashed about 20 km south of Madang and caught fire, killing 28 of the 32 aboard.
Who knows, who cares! Get over it!!!!!!!
Exxon Mobil seem to be happy flying all their staff around in APNG's Dash 8s.
APNG must be doing something RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exxon Mobil seem to be happy flying all their staff around in APNG's Dash 8s.
APNG must be doing something RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!