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Old 6th Oct 2011, 16:40
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JQ full of lies once again

Nice try Buchanan, 65 of the people who went over were from QF (on original JQ contract). Only 6 accepted part time contracts with a sunny Darwin undertone... Good luck with the rest.

JETSTAR is on the hunt for pilots for its new Japanese joint-venture after its previous foray into the job market attracted almost four applicants for each job.
The airline advertised for 150 pilots six weeks ago and received about 550 applications, including a record 156 from Qantas.
"That's well and truly in train and now we're looking for Japan for the first time," Jetstar chief executive Bruce Buchanan said yesterday.
"We're looking to recruit about 100 pilots in Japan over the next 12 to 18 months. That's in addition to the 150 that we were looking for previously."
Mr Buchanan said the airline had already filled about 70 of the 150 roles, a good outcome because of time needed to get pilots through the assessment process.
"That's going really well, we're very happy with all of that," he said.
Mr Buchanan said about 50 pilots would move across from Qantas and he expected a good response from Qantas and Jetstar pilots for the new Japanese roles.
He said the airline had been spending time with Japanese authorities getting a licensing approach approved and had been recruiting Japanese pilots for the past two years "ahead of the curve" so they could get line experience before moving back into Japan.
Commenting on the predictions by aircraft manufacturers of a looming pilot shortage, Mr Buchanan said he was confident the airline's recruiting pipeline could fulfil demand over the short to medium term.
"Over the next 12 months I don't see any problems, but beyond that it's always tough to forecast," he said. "What we're seeing at the moment, with the weakness in Europe and the US, is an awful lot of pilots applying out of those jurisdictions.
"We're not having a lot of problems attracting pilots."
He agreed that the market would tighten but noted turnover had been small.
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Old 6th Oct 2011, 21:03
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hmmm, apparently an Expression of Interest is now a full application? How can you tell these Execs are lying? A. Their mouths are open.

On the subject of lying. Can anyone comment on JQ's stated policy that they don't carry pets because " the holds are unpressurized ".
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Where exactly did you find a "stated" policy to that effect???
Like all Airbus the holds are pressurised... a quick common sense check would have dismissed that assertion if you had bothered to think about it.
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This page here,
its right down the bottom in the RH corner


Checked Baggage, Luggage Allowances and Restrictions | Jetstar Australia
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Checked Baggage, Luggage Allowances and Restrictions | Jetstar Australia

As we don’t have pressurised baggage holds, unfortunately we are unable to accept reservations for pets on any of our aircraft.
a quick common sense check would have dismissed that assertion if you had bothered to think about it.
methinks you owe an apology. Common sense and JQ don't exactly go hand in hand.
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The holds are pressurised.
Again let common sense prevail....
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I think Kremin already knew that.

Fibs about pilot application numbers is nothing new. They have said that about the NZ operation from the start. Which is why no Australian pilots have to go there to help and they dont have to offer sign on and retention incentives either.

This mindset also helps to explain the recent memo rejoicing in the increased number of OSCARs lately. Apparently its down to a greatly increased reporting rate. Nothing at all to do with the operation getting bigger and having more incidents.

Well done the Safety Committee. Back slaps and KPIs all round.

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Old 6th Oct 2011, 22:28
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I don’t work for JQ but I can assure you that the cargo holds are pressurised. The web site is wrong. If they weren’t the pax floor would collapse into the cargo hold. What may be the case is the cargo holds may not be heated. I’m sure though that a JQ driver will be able to tell us whether JQ A320/330’s have cargo/bulk cargo heating.
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The 330's would have bulk heating, because Qantas' does and that is where Jetstar's came from.... Unless they don't use them in some sort of inane cost-cutting measure.
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You can give me that apology any time you like CL.

What this highlights is the attitude towards the paying public. Contempt.

They could have said something along the lines of; "We try to keep costs to a minimum therefore we don't carry pets..." you know... that little forgotten thing called The Truth.

But no, this outfit figures that the general public will swallow a LIE like this and save them the hassle of explaining that they probably couldn't get Qantas personnel to look after pets, lets face it with a employee to aircraft ratio better than Southwest Airlines there is no fat to spare unless big brother QF chips in for free... and hence they'd rather not carry them.

So they LIE. A simple LIE but an unqualified LIE nevertheless. It is not about no heating or anything like that...no... Joe Public simply needs to be told the BS that they fly airbus's with unpressurised holds.

It is not a grand LIE in the scheme of things really. Just a convenient LIE. Nobody really hurt.

However;

I know how I feel about people I catch out in a LIE.... I never trust them again. Businesses are the same. Someone should tell Buchanan that

The business that is Jetstar LIES when it suits them. End of story.
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The holds are pressurised.
Again let common sense prevail....
Yes. Let's. What common sense purpose does it serve to have something like that on the web site when it's patently not true?
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Some years ago the Mayor of New York introduced zero tolerance policeing. Police were instructed to issue tickets and pursue individuals for even the most trivial of infractions. Littering, jaywalking etc....

What happened was interesting to say the least. Many "trivial" offenders were found to have outstanding warrants for more serious crimes. This indicated a pattern of dishonest behavior in general, and in many cases an entrenched disregard for the moral and legal responsibilities that most if us adhere to.

What else are the bastards guilty of? personally I trust them as far as I could throw them.
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Most of the employees in Bourke St have no front line operational experience. Including management, and therefore not much clue. It is these employees that are tasked with the drawing up and implementation of the endless "policies" we see promulgated around here.

I think this is the reason for the inaccuracy in this case. The deliberate attempt at BS'ing with the OSCARs memo is another matter altogether.
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Sorry Waren, the website is unequivocal. "none of our aircraft are pressurised" is a black and white statement. The staff could easily verify the statement with one phone call to the chief pilot.

Some Exec is responsible for what goes on that web page. The policy is "no pets" for whatever reason, probably costs. they don't want to admit that, so the BS goes up in place. The organization has history.
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Old 7th Oct 2011, 00:35
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Jetstar Japan

Alteon in Brisbane were asked yesterday to provide A320 sim instructors to go to Tokyo to commence endorsement training for pilots from December. They will use ANA simulators.
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Right to live and Work?

I cant see how Jetstar's boss can say that alot of QF drivers are wanting to work in Japan when on the Ad I saw this morning it stated you needed a Japanese ATPL and the right to live and work in Japan. That would exclude almost everyone in the world except people already flying for a company in Japan. Why would they switch?
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Very good questions. I don't know of a single QF guy who has expressed any interest.
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Makes you wonder why they even bother advertising here....I haven't seen too many Japanese expats flying around Aus.
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mmmm, where did it say 'JACAB' and 'Right to live and work'?
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They are dreamin' if they are paying USD or AUD in the strongest and most expensive economy in the world.
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