Qlink increases QLD 717 services
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Qlink increases QLD 717 services
QLink are increasing B717 services in Queensland.
Any idea where the reduction or redeployment will come from?
Any idea where the reduction or redeployment will come from?
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Fingers crossed you're right Going Nowhere. Any idea on whether QF Link will be matching the DJ offering of J class into those ports currently getting the Fokkers? Wishful thinking maybe? 
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I have a hunch that the reason why they are flying the B717s out of Brisbane is the fact that they are short on Captains (or upgradable FOs) to operate their Dash8s. I hope we give them a warm welcome in the crew room! 
Won't be seen in the QLink crew room I'm betting, never seen the Unity guys/gals.
Doesn't make sense to charter an outside mobs jet when you're getting more of your own.
Talk is also of BNE-GLT for the 717 during the Mon AM and Fri PM peak runs.
Also talk of 2 just being the beginning, anywhere up to 5-6 frames over time as WA grows to require more 737's to replace the 717's.
5 more commands out in BNE this week, looks like they're going a fair way down the seniority list to fill them!
Doesn't make sense to charter an outside mobs jet when you're getting more of your own.
Talk is also of BNE-GLT for the 717 during the Mon AM and Fri PM peak runs.
Also talk of 2 just being the beginning, anywhere up to 5-6 frames over time as WA grows to require more 737's to replace the 717's.
5 more commands out in BNE this week, looks like they're going a fair way down the seniority list to fill them!
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If Q/Link are short of Captains/(crew) perhaps they should get with the program and stop insulting pilots by charging them to sit the SHL on line testing process. I can't think of any industry in the world that charges to do thier interview. What a joke
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Hmmm: What next ???
I was interested that the " Curry Muncher " made the 71 NJet announcement whilst the Sunny pilot group is undergoing EBA negotiations !!!
Carl has been for many yrs now talking up the chances - to crews - to keep working hard, as we'll be operating jets soon !!!
What's that going to say to your northern pilot group after this public announcement in BN ???
Well you don't have to be Barry Jones to work out that this is just another kick-in-the-guts for the boys n girls at Sunnies.
Management might be thinking that the 71 will look better up against the ATR's about to start in competition.
Well this by & large was what the guys at VB thought about the Ejet up against the Q400 & it largely didn't work...
Outside of government travel, the Ozzy market is driven by price.
History has a funny way of repeating itself & crews: Stick to your guns, this is a good opportunity to up your currently outdated EBA as you won't be flying fly for a very long time to come.
PS: Could the reason NJet are after 60 additional flight crews...
Carl has been for many yrs now talking up the chances - to crews - to keep working hard, as we'll be operating jets soon !!!
What's that going to say to your northern pilot group after this public announcement in BN ???
Well you don't have to be Barry Jones to work out that this is just another kick-in-the-guts for the boys n girls at Sunnies.
Management might be thinking that the 71 will look better up against the ATR's about to start in competition.
Well this by & large was what the guys at VB thought about the Ejet up against the Q400 & it largely didn't work...
Outside of government travel, the Ozzy market is driven by price.
History has a funny way of repeating itself & crews: Stick to your guns, this is a good opportunity to up your currently outdated EBA as you won't be flying fly for a very long time to come.
PS: Could the reason NJet are after 60 additional flight crews...
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Ramblings of one who's lost the stary eyed glaze.
Back when not so young but still stary eyed, I joined Skywest Aviation, then a wholly owned subsidiary of ATI (Ansett Transport Industries). At the interview I was told, or it was suggested that progression to Ansett mainline was possible.
It didn't take long to realise that whilst it wasn't impossible, it was very improbable. Only the odd person here or there managed to get the nod. The most likely reason, training costs. If ANSETT took a pilot from Skywest, they had to train them on whatever jet/turbo prop AND ATI had to train a replacement at Skywest. Obviously it was much cheaper to employ someone from outside the ATI group.
As I understand it, there's never been too much movement from Sunnies/Eastern/Southern to QF Mainline. A little but not a lot.
Rightly or wrongly, as I see it, for Sunnies or Eastern to get jets, QF is going to have to train double the number of folks, as will be needed to operate the jets alone. The existing DH8 drivers will move to the jet, possibly decimating the experience level on the DH8, and then the ex DH8ers will all need to be replaced. This will more than double the training costs, because with all the training, services will still have to be crewed, somehow.
With QF's aim of offshoring to reduce costs, I can't see them increasing training costs to some extent. A shiny jet on the end of a stick, to replace/augment turbo props has long been dangled in front of pilots. Not often has it eventuated within an organisation, Kendell, Impulse, Network & Air North, the only ones that spring to mind over my 27 years in the industry. Only one of whom didn't go under or get bought out, yet.
The above rambling shouldn't be interpreted as suggesting Sunnies or Eastern pilots are not deserving of a jet, or not capable of operating one. It's just my take on the likelihood of it eventuating in the foreseeable future.
It didn't take long to realise that whilst it wasn't impossible, it was very improbable. Only the odd person here or there managed to get the nod. The most likely reason, training costs. If ANSETT took a pilot from Skywest, they had to train them on whatever jet/turbo prop AND ATI had to train a replacement at Skywest. Obviously it was much cheaper to employ someone from outside the ATI group.
As I understand it, there's never been too much movement from Sunnies/Eastern/Southern to QF Mainline. A little but not a lot.
Rightly or wrongly, as I see it, for Sunnies or Eastern to get jets, QF is going to have to train double the number of folks, as will be needed to operate the jets alone. The existing DH8 drivers will move to the jet, possibly decimating the experience level on the DH8, and then the ex DH8ers will all need to be replaced. This will more than double the training costs, because with all the training, services will still have to be crewed, somehow.
With QF's aim of offshoring to reduce costs, I can't see them increasing training costs to some extent. A shiny jet on the end of a stick, to replace/augment turbo props has long been dangled in front of pilots. Not often has it eventuated within an organisation, Kendell, Impulse, Network & Air North, the only ones that spring to mind over my 27 years in the industry. Only one of whom didn't go under or get bought out, yet.
The above rambling shouldn't be interpreted as suggesting Sunnies or Eastern pilots are not deserving of a jet, or not capable of operating one. It's just my take on the likelihood of it eventuating in the foreseeable future.
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Touche CC.
The ONLY reason that the narrow body clause was inserted ito the Sunnies EBA was for competitive tension when differing pilot groups EBAs are up for renewal. The "jet carrot" will always be there to entice people to stay, but i would NOT be holding my breath if I was in EAA or SSA.
IMHO, alot of lessons would have been learned over the 50 seat CRJ Kendall experience and also the Virgin E170. These smaller types are totally inefficient when compared to the efficiencies of a Q400. Oz doesn't have the population or the route structure to warrant 70 seat jet routes(Airnorth excluded) I think jets the size of the E190 and B717 will be the smallest RPT operating equipment we see in this country. Especially with capacity restraints becoming more of an issue at major airports. The only way forward is for larger aircraft to move the forecast growth of pax numbers as there are no slots available during peak times now.
Just my 2 cents worth.
The ONLY reason that the narrow body clause was inserted ito the Sunnies EBA was for competitive tension when differing pilot groups EBAs are up for renewal. The "jet carrot" will always be there to entice people to stay, but i would NOT be holding my breath if I was in EAA or SSA.
IMHO, alot of lessons would have been learned over the 50 seat CRJ Kendall experience and also the Virgin E170. These smaller types are totally inefficient when compared to the efficiencies of a Q400. Oz doesn't have the population or the route structure to warrant 70 seat jet routes(Airnorth excluded) I think jets the size of the E190 and B717 will be the smallest RPT operating equipment we see in this country. Especially with capacity restraints becoming more of an issue at major airports. The only way forward is for larger aircraft to move the forecast growth of pax numbers as there are no slots available during peak times now.
Just my 2 cents worth.
The only ones who still believe that Sunnies/Eastern will see a jet are the true dreamers. Most have seen the Jet clause for what it really is.
Not to mention that Mainline would be looking at the Stick Shaker fiasco and be 'a but nervous' about giving the 'Aero Club' a jet to play with.
*Flack jacket on*
Not to mention that Mainline would be looking at the Stick Shaker fiasco and be 'a but nervous' about giving the 'Aero Club' a jet to play with.
*Flack jacket on*
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Oz doesn't have the population or the route structure to warrant 70 seat jet routes(Airnorth excluded) I think jets the size of the E190 and B717 will be the smallest RPT operating equipment we see in this country. Especially with capacity restraints becoming more of an issue at major airports. The only way forward is for larger aircraft to move the forecast growth of pax numbers as there are no slots available during peak times now.
What about the bae146? F100? These aircraft are operating from regional ports bypassing the backlog of the major hubs...
Mind you if your talking leisure and business travellers... Then yeah I would agree. Mining and government etc. Then no... The smaller jets still have a place!
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Just had a gander at the NJS EBA 2007-2012 and no wonder QF want these contracts to continue! NJS FOs are getting paid around the same as a Q400 FO. Who's getting ripped off here? If that's the case, NJS can have the 717s!
It has been brought up on here before that the NJS drivers are seeking a 30% increase in wages...any further developments on that?
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It has been brought up on here before that the NJS drivers are seeking a 30% increase in wages...any further developments on that?
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The mythical jet for the Eastern boys has always been that, a lot of hype, talk, expectation and dreams.
The Southern BAE-146 operation when it started certainly ruffled up the feathers in the big Q campsite and dented a few egos in Eastern and Sunnies, with lots of backstabbing and high hopes of failure.
The Southern BAE-146 operation when it started certainly ruffled up the feathers in the big Q campsite and dented a few egos in Eastern and Sunnies, with lots of backstabbing and high hopes of failure.
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The only ones who still believe that Sunnies/Eastern will see a jet are the true dreamers. Most have seen the Jet clause for what it really is.
To add further insult to the sunnies drivers, there has been no notification or email to inform of this latest development. The only information is that which came from the news and from here.
Way to engage your staff.....
Not to mention that Mainline would be looking at the Stick Shaker fiasco and be 'a but nervous' about giving the 'Aero Club' a jet to play with
