Jetstar NZ Pilots vote for Industrial Action
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Jetstar NZ Pilots vote for Industrial Action
Heard today that Jetstar pilots on the Jetstar NZ contract have voted for "Industrial Action". Rugby WC and all!
I guess the only surprise is, that it has taken so long to get to this. How pilots working at the same base, doing the same job, flying the same routes, on the same aircraft work on poorer terms and conditions as their colleagues is beyond me.
Earning 60% of the salary of their colleagues at the same base, why has it taken so long to reach strike action? Am I missing something here?
I guess the only surprise is, that it has taken so long to get to this. How pilots working at the same base, doing the same job, flying the same routes, on the same aircraft work on poorer terms and conditions as their colleagues is beyond me.
Earning 60% of the salary of their colleagues at the same base, why has it taken so long to reach strike action? Am I missing something here?
Wheeliebin
I'm sure it's all within the law. What Warren9 is referring to is
Strike action can only take place after contract negotiations have broken down, the contract will only be renegotiated every two or three years. Taking strike action just because you don't like the terms is not within the law, you have to wait for negotiations to stake a claim and if that claim is rejected by the company then you can take strike action.
I'm sure it's all within the law. What Warren9 is referring to is
Earning 60% of the salary of their colleagues at the same base, why has it taken so long to reach strike action? Am I missing something here?
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What..? Why? They (ALPA) just renegotiated the pay scheme. I thought the pilots were quietly pleased with the increase! What happened?
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Industrial action is as a result of no progress by the company in negotiations. Haven't even got to first base yet, with no "Bargaining Agreement" being reached so as to even commence negotiations.
Jetstar Capt salary = Jetstar EBA FO salary, given the exchange rate. And they fly together! Not good. No wonder they can't get J* NZ Captains!
I could stand corrected, but heard that the Jestar cadets who were originally to be NZ based (until NZ CAA said no way) are now on the Oz EBA AND working in Oz ???
Jetstar Capt salary = Jetstar EBA FO salary, given the exchange rate. And they fly together! Not good. No wonder they can't get J* NZ Captains!
I could stand corrected, but heard that the Jestar cadets who were originally to be NZ based (until NZ CAA said no way) are now on the Oz EBA AND working in Oz ???
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I could stand corrected, but heard that the Jestar cadets who were originally to be NZ based (until NZ CAA said no way) are now on the Oz EBA AND working in Oz ???
Yes that is correct.
Yes that is correct.
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So, the cadets get on the EBA along with seniority, able to work and move about in Oz. Good luck to them, and well done to the EBA guys who negotiated this. It has to be better to have all in Oz under the same umbrella - much preferred to the "contracts".
So why has Jetstar managed to make good progress, and even created good will in this area and, I believe, in part time positions in Oz, but neglected Jetstar NZ?
Is it fair to suggest that those on Individual contracts (NZ) just don't carry the same clout when it comes to negotiating?? Hence, a good reason to avoid a "contract" position.
Oh yes, I must share this little gem! I'm told the company recognise that the Jetstar NZ base salary is poor and would like to address it. That must make crews feel much better.
. Hello! Is there something stopping them addressing it, or is it just good "lip service" ?????
So why has Jetstar managed to make good progress, and even created good will in this area and, I believe, in part time positions in Oz, but neglected Jetstar NZ?
Is it fair to suggest that those on Individual contracts (NZ) just don't carry the same clout when it comes to negotiating?? Hence, a good reason to avoid a "contract" position.
Oh yes, I must share this little gem! I'm told the company recognise that the Jetstar NZ base salary is poor and would like to address it. That must make crews feel much better.
. Hello! Is there something stopping them addressing it, or is it just good "lip service" ?????
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If you didn't accept the contract it would have increased
We are unable to help you, you are not covered by FWA.
Do I want you on our seniority list and on the EBA, YES.
But YOU need to fight and until that time it is "lip service"
We are unable to help you, you are not covered by FWA.
Do I want you on our seniority list and on the EBA, YES.
But YOU need to fight and until that time it is "lip service"
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You are spot on toolish. Lots of angry pilots in NZ who are ready to fight. No FWA, but NZ Labour and Industry, Industrial Court are very good and will be of help.
People signed contracts for many and varied reasons. Best to work on what can be changed, and accept mistakes of the past as lessons learnt.
People signed contracts for many and varied reasons. Best to work on what can be changed, and accept mistakes of the past as lessons learnt.
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These VH aircraft not operating only in NZ on scam salaries. Jetstar NZ half pay pilots also operating the following city pairs CNS-AKL, SYD-Nadi, SYD-AKL, SYD-CHC, MEL-AKL, MEL-CHC as well as BNE and OOL to CHC.
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The Jetstar Cadets have also had their debt for the cost of training removed. Instead, they are bonded for three years.
The Australian G/A pilots that accepted positions with Jetstar NZ are stuck there with no mechanism to return.
The Cadets based in MEL, SYD, & OOL/BNE will probably keep those bases with their EBA seniority numbers...
The Australian G/A pilots that accepted positions with Jetstar NZ are stuck there with no mechanism to return.
The Cadets based in MEL, SYD, & OOL/BNE will probably keep those bases with their EBA seniority numbers...
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I enjoy my job, I try and do it well.
I would like to see the company I work for do well.
I love my Rugby even if my team got done by Ireland.
The thought of Industrial Action during the World Cup will not be comfortable.
But when my FO is taking home more than me, and the company is slowing the process of addressing the situation, then I believe the action is justified.
I would like to see the company I work for do well.
I love my Rugby even if my team got done by Ireland.
The thought of Industrial Action during the World Cup will not be comfortable.
But when my FO is taking home more than me, and the company is slowing the process of addressing the situation, then I believe the action is justified.
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Good on ya Wheeliebin
If You guys do industrial action and everyone participates as they should let us know and I will develop an URTI at 2 hrs before departure to AKL or CHC.
I am a little different to you because I don't care if J* does well or not.
If You guys do industrial action and everyone participates as they should let us know and I will develop an URTI at 2 hrs before departure to AKL or CHC.
I am a little different to you because I don't care if J* does well or not.
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Not quite that simple I am afraid. Here are some things I was told on joining;
- this will be a totally separate company, with separate AOC, ACFT, Training, admin etc. (this was given up on when they found out how long it would take to get an AOC)
- It is not EBA as being that it will be a separate company you will NEVER fly with EBA pilots (this lasted 6 weeks)
- The money isn't the best but you are getting a great lifestyle and here are the fixed roster patterns we will be using to prove how much time off you will have (never actually achieved one of these rosters due to 'operational' reasons)
The list could go on and on, most of us have been waiting for the 'promised' improvements that were meant to be in from day 1 of the operation 2.5 years ago, you can only get fobbed off so long before people start to snap.
- this will be a totally separate company, with separate AOC, ACFT, Training, admin etc. (this was given up on when they found out how long it would take to get an AOC)
- It is not EBA as being that it will be a separate company you will NEVER fly with EBA pilots (this lasted 6 weeks)
- The money isn't the best but you are getting a great lifestyle and here are the fixed roster patterns we will be using to prove how much time off you will have (never actually achieved one of these rosters due to 'operational' reasons)
The list could go on and on, most of us have been waiting for the 'promised' improvements that were meant to be in from day 1 of the operation 2.5 years ago, you can only get fobbed off so long before people start to snap.
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fellas, the pilot shortage HAS arrived. I know it from current personal experience with 6 interview sheduled or completed in the last 2 months. If wages and conditions aren't what your after, let them know and take another bus. I'm amazed how quickly it has turned around but turned around it has. All that needs to happen now is for the pinch to reach the rarified air of managment, and aircraft start getting parked up against a fence, and watch the salaries improve. It is happening already and I am witness to it.