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Old 15th Sep 2011, 22:18
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Well said AH, I totally agree with you.
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Old 15th Sep 2011, 22:29
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Probably the saddest thing is that many of the QF guys and gals going to J* have start dates in QF earlier than many current J* crew have in J*. It's a shame we haven't had a group list for decades.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 00:10
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Too true. I understand that there has been a stream of SO's at the bottom of Q Seniority list contacting QLink with possibility of returning. If list was in place some could fill vacant Command positions. But alas there is no such group list.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 03:00
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I understand that there has been a stream of SO's at the bottom of Q Seniority list contacting QLink with possibility of returning. If list was in place some could fill vacant Command positions. But alas there is no such group list.
Maybe if said list had been in place a few years ago those SOs would have been senior enough to join mainline from QLink as FOs and would not now be in their current predicament. Not that that would ever have been allowed to happen though, as we all know which group of pilots this supposed group list was intended to benefit.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 03:26
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Sue, Get it into your nut that many years ago that AIPA (pilot Union) pushed for the regionals to be included onto 'The List'.
The Mainline pilot group, through union subscriptions, funded the case for inclusion.
IT WAS QANTAS MANAGEMENT WHO WON THE CASE AND PREVENTED THE INCLUSION OF THE REGIONAL PILOTS.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 05:50
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The displayed airmanship is sometimes non existent
The Q badge on your fellas hats doesnt seem to prevent such occassions either, but I'm not so ignorant as to tar you all with the same brush.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 06:24
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Trent , it's my understanding you are wrong.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 13:14
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Oh for Christ's sake people. The QF guys don't have to feel 'lucky' to have the opportunity to go to JQ! The careers of these guys has been destroyed by the company and they have seen pilots join 'the group' years after them and gain commands years ahead of them through no fault of their own. Neither is it the fault of the JQ guys. It's the system set up by a bunch of bastards.

The QF guys who have been shafted should walk proudly into any JQ job and feel that is more than fine given the years they have waited in s/o positions.

It's the freakin twighlight zone where JQ pilots feel 'bitter' at QF guys coming over. GET REAL!
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 15:05
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Probably the saddest thing is that many of the QF guys and gals going to J* have start dates in QF earlier than many current J* crew have in J*. It's a shame we haven't had a group list for decades
Welcome to the real world, luck of the draw.

No different really to the ex AN /CX /SQ pilots sitting next to you with more Jet time.

Thats the system.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 18:58
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JQ and QF are different AOC's and different business's.

QF has NO OBLIGATION to offer QF pilots jobs in JQ.

In the real world, you could be shown the door while JQ recruits youngsters off the street. This is common in that big place called "the rest of the world".

You should consider yourselves very fortunate.
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 21:42
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What does an AOC have to do with industrial law?
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Old 16th Sep 2011, 22:10
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I also suggest you read the FWA laws. Qantas cannot make pilots redundant in one part of the business whilst recruiting in another.

That's the real world.
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Old 17th Sep 2011, 03:59
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And the real bottom line?

... It's cheaper for QF to offer transfers, even with the endorsement paid, than to retrench and pay redundancies. There is nothing magnanimous about what's going on and no one should feel "lucky"; consider the options you have and make a decision that is 'workable' for you in the circumstances.

To the JQ pilots, surely any QF transfers are either:
- under the MOU, which was known-about,
or if a non-MOU transfer into any JQ position then
- it's just "more of the same" from the management who so obviously respect your flexibilities.

It seems that there's plenty of bad-tasting medicine to go around.
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Old 17th Sep 2011, 07:36
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Are you guys for real?
you will be accepted we know who the enemy is and it is not you.
I just wish you guys had realised that for the last 7 years.
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Old 17th Sep 2011, 08:31
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Ah that explains why my 330 slot has dried up? QF blokes moving over. Oh well, Hurry up and wait!

Any news on when Jetstar will hire for any bases at the moment? Oz bases (320) or Singa bases?
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Old 17th Sep 2011, 08:38
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Welcome all to 21st century aviation!

AKA everyman for himself!

AKA the Scab Pilots fraternity!

You chose your path in 89' and you are now reaping the benefits!

Phew! Wot' a bunch of turkeys!!

I feel sorry for you pathetic bunch of losers!
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Old 17th Sep 2011, 08:51
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What path would that be Amos ? Neither Jetstar nor Impulse were involved or even around (in any great capacity) in that year.
So who exactly are you on about ?
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Old 17th Sep 2011, 10:30
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I find it repulsive that we have to discuss how well these QF pilots are going to be received, anything other than welcomed is offensive. It potentially could be take the opportunity and go to Jetstar, or join the que for the dole. If roles were reversed, I'd be welcoming guys and be happy that they were able to stay in aviation and didn't have to lose sleep at night thinking about what they were going to do for the rest of their career. I'm starting to think I must be too nice to be a pilot No wonder the majority of my friends are outside aviation, fuc* me.
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Old 18th Sep 2011, 00:04
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Schadenfreude

Unfortunately Mr Amos is one of a small minority of pilots who, after suffering career detours like '89 and the various airline collapses we have seen over the years, cannot wait to see another group of pilots who up until now haven't suffered the same fate, finally "get theirs".

When that group of pilots belong to QF, so much the better.

It is a unappealing human trait, being exhibited by an apparently very unappealing human.

Amos, if Qf pilots do "get theirs", I hope it makes you feel better.
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Old 18th Sep 2011, 01:12
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Amos2 -

I wouldn't get too pious if I was you. There were some of your "group" with the same "every man for himself" mentality who had no problem marching over the top of other pilot's careers in other airlines and GA operators. I was one of those who suffered this indignity.

Personally, I hope all the QF pilots whose jobs are at "risk", can transfer to Jetstar under LWOP or whatever other agreements exist in your part of the world.
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