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Worlds 10 Safest Airlines......Ain't no Qantas

Old 30th Aug 2011, 00:38
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Worlds 10 Safest Airlines......Ain't no Qantas

Agency names world's 10 safest airlines - Seven News Queensland

Quite obvious why Qantas did not make it.
The agency explained that to understand airline safety, one needed not only to look at accident figures, but also "technical, human, organisational and external" elements.
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 00:49
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Is it April already?

Air France is at the top of that list.

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Old 30th Aug 2011, 00:59
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Seems they named the safest "European" and "US" based airlines with 'Asia" thrown in.....not necessarily the worlds safest if they don't add "Oceania".
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 01:28
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When I saw Air France in there I stopped reading.
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 02:38
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Well soon Qantas will be a Asian airline then they will be rated
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 04:43
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C'est magnifique, lol.
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Air France have crashed every type of Airbus ever built including Concorde, and given that neither Air China or China Southern have had a fatal for ten years I don't quite know how Air France made it on that list. I'd certainly be flying ANY Australian or US airline over Air France at the moment.
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 13:34
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Never have I seen such a ridiculous rating system.

Everyone who has commented on Air France in particular is on the money.

If you check out ATRA's web site it says the ratings are based on a "Holistic" assessment.

Does that mean they have the best "yellow vest" policy, the best "gender equality" and best "social inclusion" policies or does it mean no smoking holes in the ground - you decide.

To help you let's go through the list:

Air France-KLM : AF447, Toronto A340 overrun, Concorde prang, Habshiem, Tahiti 744 overun - that's just of the top of my head! Poor old KLM - virtually trouble free then getting into bed with this lot!

AMR Corporation (American Airlines, American Eagles) : Little Rock fatigue crash, JFK kicked the fin off with excessive rudder, overrun brand new B737 in Jamaica

British Airways : Much better but still the only B777 prang - not really their fault

Continental Airlines: Also not too bad only 2 prangs since 1998 - doesn't exist though now part of United! Very up-to-date. Not.

Delta Airlines: Not too bad - ran off the Runway in Dublin in 2002 but don't forget these guys are also Northwest of the famous lets fly past destination because we are on our laptops

Japan Airlines: Also not bad apart from JAL 123 in 1985 - poorly repaired tail strike damage - but that's a long time ago. I'd fly with them.

Lufthansa : Deserves to be on the list - last prang 1993 due to Airbus design faults on the A320 (Warsaw - aircraft computers didn't know it was on the ground)

Southwest Airlines: Not bad - overruns a speciality - two since 2000

United Airlines : Should be on the list - great record despite crap management and under investment. Last major incident was Souix City 1989 - not the airlines's fault and a superb job by the flight crew.

US Airways: Good record in the last twenty years of no fatalities especially thanks the Chesley Sullenberger the 3rd!

Notable omissions from the list IMHO:

QANTAS Airways - Haven't killed anyone since who knows when - Qantas "Fore" a major embarassment though.

Cathay Pacific Airways - No deaths or even runway excursions since 1972 - even that was a bomb rather than pilot error

All Nippon Airways - No deaths ince 1971 although two non-fatal hijackings in the 1990's

How about lesser known but long standing airlines like TAP Air Portugal - no deaths since 1977.

I'm sure there are more worthy additions.

Me, I like to fly on airlines that have been safe since the 70's, yeah baby!
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 14:17
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If you check out ATRA's web site it says the ratings are based on a "Holistic" assessment.
Of course I could be wrong, but it sounds like one of those newspaper 'Shopping Centre Toilet Block Of The Year' awards that are always mysteriously won by the biggest advertiser. A friend of mine was a judge in a local ethnic beauty contest; on walking in the door before the comp even started he was handed the list of winners...
Air France have crashed every type of Airbus ever built including Concorde,
Wine spat on keyboard moment .
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Old 31st Aug 2011, 01:02
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Air France have crashed every type of Airbus ever built including Concorde
Love it! Except of course wrong. Maybe they are working on an A380 as I write.
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Love it! Except of course wrong. Maybe they are working on an A380 as I write.
It's actually true they crashed the 380 into a RJ at JFK a while back They also crash a Caravelle in the 60's which was the precursor to Airbus and eventually absorbed by them.

JFK | The Buckingham Post

Some poetic license would have to be used to claim the A300 as whilst they didn't crash it was hijacked and as a result of the commando raid subsequently written off, thus counting as a hull loss.

The others from Wikipedia:

A330
On 1 June 2009, Air France Flight 447, an Airbus A330-203 (registration F-GZCP) from Rio de Janeiro to Paris with 228 people onboard lost contact with air traffic control while over the Atlantic Ocean, 300 km (186 miles) north-east of the Brazilian city of Natal.[38] In the days following the crash only portions of the plane and 51 bodies were found. All passengers and crew members were killed in the crash, the cause of which is still under investigation, but a possible pitot tube failure has been speculated.

A340
On 2 August 2005, Air France Flight 358, an Airbus A340-300 (registration F-GLZQ) overshot the runway at Toronto Pearson International Airport during a thunderstorm. The plane continued for 300 metres before coming to rest at the bottom of a ravine at the end of the runway adjacent to Highway 401. All 297 passengers and 12 crew survived but the plane was completely destroyed by fire. The investigation predominately blamed pilot error when faced with the severe weather conditions.

A320
On 26 June 1988, Air France Flight 296, Airbus A320-111 (registration F-GFKC) crashed near Mulhouse-Habsheim Airport, in the Franco-German border region of Alsace. The accident occurred during an airshow while the flight deck crew was performing a flypast at low height and speed. The aircraft overflew the airfield in good weather. Seconds later the aircraft struck treetops behind the runway and crashed into a forest, as a result of flying too low and too slowly. Three passengers died and about 50 were injured.

A300
On 24 December 1994, Air France Flight 8969, an Airbus A300B2-1C (registration F-GBEC) was hijacked at Houari Boumedienne Airport in Algiers, by four terrorists who belonged to the Armed Islamic Group. The terrorists apparently intended to crash the plane over the Eiffel Tower on Boxing Day. After a failed attempt to leave Marseille following a confrontational firefight between the terrorists and the GIGN French Special Forces, the result was the death of all four terrorists. (Snipers on the terminal front's roof shot dead two of the terrorists. The other two terrorists died as a result of gunshots in the cabin after approximately 20 minutes.) Three hostages including a Vietnamese diplomat were executed, 229 hostages survived, many of them wounded by shrapnel. The almost 15-year-old aircraft was written off.

Concorde
On 25 July 2000, Air France Flight 4590, a Concorde (registration F-BTSC) charter departing from De Gaulle airport in Paris bound for New York's JFK Airport crashed just after takeoff into a hotel in Gonesse, France. All 109 people on board died, along with four people on the ground. According to the accident investigation report, the probable cause was the destruction of one of the aircraft's main wheel tires, as a result of passing at high speed over a part lost by a pre-departing Continental Airlines DC-10 during the takeoff run. The piercing of one of the fuel tanks by a piece of the exploding tire ignited the leaking jet fuel and caused a loss of thrust in engine number one and two in quick succession.

Moral of the story.......if you have to fly Air France ask for the 777

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Lumping Air France with KLM probably brought the average accident rate for the pair down and enabled them to scrape in.

Playing with the statistics an Air Canada - Garuda tie might also make the list, as might a Lufthansa - China Airlines pairing.
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Old 31st Aug 2011, 04:21
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Don't know about "Poor old KLM" mate. Singlehandedly responsible for the World's worst, I say again WORST Airline disaster!!!
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Old 31st Aug 2011, 04:24
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It is difficult to respect anything ATRA come up with when they can't even get the plural of "aircraft" right.
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Oh of course, if an airline has not had a major hull loss that automaticaly makes them safe, correct?? Umm, totally incorrect. If you believe that QF should be in the top 10, you are way off the mark. Safety is not simply calculated based on hull losses, it runs a bit deeper than that. My old man is 91 and has never crashed his car, does that make make him a safe driver? No way, not by a mile, he is lucky, come close, and is a danger to society on the road, but hey - he hasn't pranged a car yet!
Sorry to disapoint some of you but a lack of a major accident does not in itself make an airline safe.

P.S These 'lists' a normally a complete load of shite anyway.
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^^^ did you even read the first post? of course not, just stepped in to take a shot at qf
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The US was so concerned about the state of Australia's air safety system in 2009 that it considered downgrading Australian airlines flying to the US.
The revelation, in a US State Department cable released this week by WikiLeaks, discussed a safety inspection by the US's Federal Aviation Authority, which audits countries whose carriers fly to the United States to ensure they meet appropriate safety standards.
US fears about Australian airlines' safety revealed

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I stand corrected on KLM. I had forgotten about Teneriffe - don't know what came over me. A mega disaster.
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I stand corrected on KLM. I had forgotten about Teneriffe - don't know what came over me. A mega disaster.
Yep, couldn't get more senior than Captain Van Zanten.
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