Moving up to the hold point
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Moving up to the hold point
A polite request to Sydney domestic drivers to please when holding short of 16R to please all the way up to the stop line so as to not block or infringe txy B.
All airlines are guilty but I have to say virgin 737 / Jetstar a320 drivers are usually the ones stopping far enough back from the line such that your tail is hanging out over taxiway B. I guess because the most critical taxiway intersections are the ones (f, b3,b4 etc) those operators mainly use.At night it is quite unnerving trying to guesstimate if your infringing bravo or not when I'm taxing north on bravo.
Don't be shy! Move up to the line please!
Now, back to Qantas bashing...
All airlines are guilty but I have to say virgin 737 / Jetstar a320 drivers are usually the ones stopping far enough back from the line such that your tail is hanging out over taxiway B. I guess because the most critical taxiway intersections are the ones (f, b3,b4 etc) those operators mainly use.At night it is quite unnerving trying to guesstimate if your infringing bravo or not when I'm taxing north on bravo.
Don't be shy! Move up to the line please!
Now, back to Qantas bashing...
Last edited by spelling_nazi; 30th Aug 2011 at 00:53. Reason: Blaming Jetstar too
My view!
Yes I have seen it happen also. The view from the cockpit of where the holding point line is in line with the tip of the aircraft nose can be very illusory. I regularly have my f/o think I have crossed the line and speak up as I park my plane right up to the holding point for that very reason to allow room behind. My view form how I sit in the 737 is that I bring the holding point line up to but not past the L2 cockpit window trigger handle. This position looks as if the aircraft nose cone is heaps over the line but infact isn't.
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Scamp Damp - after you have been attacked from the side by ground support vehicles who later claim not to have seen you, it is possible that you may also consider leaving wing inspection lights on whilst manouevering in busy aircraft and vehicle populated ramp and taxiway areas.
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.....the design is fine.
You can easily fit a 737 in there within the 'box', and have the nose behind the line and tail clear of twy bravo limits. There's a ton of room.
If you can't see the line under the randome, then you're well and truly enclosed in the box and the 767 driver is being too much of a skygod.
You can easily fit a 737 in there within the 'box', and have the nose behind the line and tail clear of twy bravo limits. There's a ton of room.
If you can't see the line under the randome, then you're well and truly enclosed in the box and the 767 driver is being too much of a skygod.
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If your arse is hanging over the line, I'll ask nicely if you can move forward. I'm not being a Sky God or Prima Donna 
, just don't want to do a "United" like in MEL. 
Those taxiways can hold an A320 or 737 easily - if the nose is at the hold line.
Holding short 16R at B2 is the interesting one though, no hold line at Taxiway B so I won't taxi behind you there!
, just don't want to do a "United" like in MEL. Those taxiways can hold an A320 or 737 easily - if the nose is at the hold line.
Holding short 16R at B2 is the interesting one though, no hold line at Taxiway B so I won't taxi behind you there!
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It's ok capt Peacock, I use the term 'skygod' very tongue in cheek as I am a member of the same club 
All I meant was if the 737 is up to the line, the 767 is being too conservative if he's not happy with the taill clearance as a 737 well and truly fits in the box.
All I meant was if the 737 is up to the line, the 767 is being too conservative if he's not happy with the taill clearance as a 737 well and truly fits in the box.
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I am aware of an issue concerning the magnetic fields below deck, from the Airport Train tunnel around F/B3... hence the yellow pegs and aircraft holding back. These were affecting the Q400's mostly.
What is the update on this?
What is the update on this?
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Yeah that was out of left field......you could hear the silence all over pprune land....anyway...where were we?
PS I was wondering about all the little flags around the place...it's like an episode from CSI out there!
PS I was wondering about all the little flags around the place...it's like an episode from CSI out there!
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With GPS etc who GAF about the compass?
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Yes indeed, Tankengine. Not too many companies allow you to take off with a HSI HDG Mismatch message (as HH alluded to, with huge gross HSI heading errors between the left and right hand sides).
This has been a well known problem for Sydney turboprop pilots for at least 6 years.
This has been a well known problem for Sydney turboprop pilots for at least 6 years.
London City Airport Compass Anomalies
From Flight Global.
Buried metal linked to London City aircraft compass deviations
By David Learmount
Metal structures beneath the holding area for runway 28 at London City Airport can cause aircraft compass deviations of up to 97deg left and right, according to the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB).
The Branch took the magnetic anomaly readings during its investigation of a 31 October 2006 incident in which a Raytheon Hawker 800XP, which was flying the standard departure from London City,
called for air traffic control assistance to return there because its heading reference systems (HRS) remained unreliable for some time after take-off.
The aircraft returned to land safely, but the AAIB investigation found there had been other related events at London City affecting a Cessna C560 Citation XL, Fokker 50s, and two other Hawker 800s.
The local magnetic field anomaly in the runway 28 holding area at London City is caused partly by buried metal structures that are the remnants of the airport site's history as a dockside loading area for ships.
These include buried railway lines and the massive below-ground sections of what used to be bollards that ships tied up to.
But the main disturbance to the earth's magnetic field at that point, says the AAIB, was caused by the tubular metal sleeves surrounding the vertical concrete piles that support the holding loop.
Research company Qinetiq found that these had been sections of oil pipeline that had been rendered highly magnetic by induction resulting from years of uni-directional mineral oil flow.
The AAIB recommends that the UK Civil Aviation Authority require London City Airport to "mitigate the effects of the magnetic anomaly in the loop hold".
The CAA says it has accepted the board's recommendations, and London City chief executive Richard Gooding says work to comply has already begun.
This consists of cutting away the metal sleeves from the concrete piles and is expected to be completed in a few weeks.
Buried metal linked to London City aircraft compass deviations
By David Learmount
Metal structures beneath the holding area for runway 28 at London City Airport can cause aircraft compass deviations of up to 97deg left and right, according to the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB).
The Branch took the magnetic anomaly readings during its investigation of a 31 October 2006 incident in which a Raytheon Hawker 800XP, which was flying the standard departure from London City,
called for air traffic control assistance to return there because its heading reference systems (HRS) remained unreliable for some time after take-off.
The aircraft returned to land safely, but the AAIB investigation found there had been other related events at London City affecting a Cessna C560 Citation XL, Fokker 50s, and two other Hawker 800s.
The local magnetic field anomaly in the runway 28 holding area at London City is caused partly by buried metal structures that are the remnants of the airport site's history as a dockside loading area for ships.
These include buried railway lines and the massive below-ground sections of what used to be bollards that ships tied up to.
But the main disturbance to the earth's magnetic field at that point, says the AAIB, was caused by the tubular metal sleeves surrounding the vertical concrete piles that support the holding loop.
Research company Qinetiq found that these had been sections of oil pipeline that had been rendered highly magnetic by induction resulting from years of uni-directional mineral oil flow.
The AAIB recommends that the UK Civil Aviation Authority require London City Airport to "mitigate the effects of the magnetic anomaly in the loop hold".
The CAA says it has accepted the board's recommendations, and London City chief executive Richard Gooding says work to comply has already begun.
This consists of cutting away the metal sleeves from the concrete piles and is expected to be completed in a few weeks.
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My machine isn't a problem so I have not seen it. Are the aircraft affected OK on the runway? 
I would think lined up on the runway is the only place the HSI needs to be accurate, the thread is about moving up to the holding point!.
I would think lined up on the runway is the only place the HSI needs to be accurate, the thread is about moving up to the holding point!
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Sounds like an argument to move all turboprop operations to Bankstown and put in place a high speed rail network to international/domestic.
No offense to prop drivers intended,just wishing to stimulate further discussion in this area.
I realize this is unlikely given political considerations
No offense to prop drivers intended,just wishing to stimulate further discussion in this area.
I realize this is unlikely given political considerations
Sounds like an argument to move all turboprop operations to Bankstown
I was coming home from JFK some time ago. I saw a Chieftain and a MU2 depart amongst the queue of sundry airliners!
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