Qantas/Jetstar mou possibilities
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Qantas/Jetstar mou possibilities
Anyone heard whats happening with the 152 expressions of interest from Qf pilots wanting to go to JQ. Its all a bit quiet. Im wondering if its going to happen at all. Word is JQ management/fleet dont want a bar to do with the QF drivers.
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Know of a non MOU S/O who had EOI'd and was pestered for three days straight by J* recruitment- just home from a trip and a relatively new baby in the house meant that he wasnt available to talk- until he told them he was withdrawing his interest. They wanted him to interview the next day.
The question is why non MOU pilots are being pestered and MOU pilots aren't getting a call. Perhaps MOU crew should be calling the QF chief pilot and ask the question.
The question is why non MOU pilots are being pestered and MOU pilots aren't getting a call. Perhaps MOU crew should be calling the QF chief pilot and ask the question.
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Thanks to some self serving individuals who were promised 767 commands in QF for signing off the Mou .
Now JQ happy to have unlimited supply of experience on their terms.
Its only the F/os in JQ suffering as their commands will blow out to 10 years or more in Australian bases.
Thanks to the individuals who signed their lives away before they had even joined and who already have the premium jobs in JQ.
The next EBA is dead and a paycut is on the way , pilot shortage does not exist in Australia.
Now JQ happy to have unlimited supply of experience on their terms.
Its only the F/os in JQ suffering as their commands will blow out to 10 years or more in Australian bases.
Thanks to the individuals who signed their lives away before they had even joined and who already have the premium jobs in JQ.
The next EBA is dead and a paycut is on the way , pilot shortage does not exist in Australia.
Let's put this into perspective folks.
You grew up wanting to be a Qantas Pilot. You slogged it out after gaining a CPL did the GA thing, built your experience and were lucky enough to join the company in the early naughties.
You watched as Qantas ordered 20 A380s and a record order of 65 787s plus bucket loads of A330s. You watched as the company made record profits and the future was certainly bright.
You got senior enough to get out of the back seat and you bid for an FO position. 10 years in the company and youre probably in the right seat of a 767 or an A330. Another 5 years and you may get a left seat somewhere. Your career is set flying in a proud airline with a great history. Life is great.
Suddenly the sister airline starts to rise. It's not so bad at first, it's just a few A320s doing their thing domestically. It can't hurt right?
The sister airline goes into massive expansion. The capital is pumped into this operation. New jets ordered to fuel Qantas growth is pumped into this offshoot.
Guys who have been in the company less than 5 years are getting commands and others who were driving 1900s when you signed up in the group are now wide body A330 Captains. Something starts to stink.
Suddenly your career has been pulled from under you. You may never see a command. The airline is shrinking and you face the very real possibility of going to the back seat again in the next 5 years, if you still have a job. Guys that have been there since 2008 are still in the back seat, and face the probability of redundancy.
Meanwhile guys in the sister airline are up for commands on the domestic fleet.
You are frustrated, bitter and resentful. How did this happen?
The sister airline guys start getting upset at you, because by you coming across to their operation to save what's left of your career, you are taking away their command opportunities? What a joke? You've been in the group for going on 10 years. You don't want to go there, but if you want to stay with the wife and kids in Australia and still have a marriage, you have no bloody choice!
Next time you watch the Qantas guys taking up those seniority slots. Have a think why, and take a look in the mirror.
There's a new spirit alright, just not everybody is welcome to share it.
You grew up wanting to be a Qantas Pilot. You slogged it out after gaining a CPL did the GA thing, built your experience and were lucky enough to join the company in the early naughties.
You watched as Qantas ordered 20 A380s and a record order of 65 787s plus bucket loads of A330s. You watched as the company made record profits and the future was certainly bright.
You got senior enough to get out of the back seat and you bid for an FO position. 10 years in the company and youre probably in the right seat of a 767 or an A330. Another 5 years and you may get a left seat somewhere. Your career is set flying in a proud airline with a great history. Life is great.
Suddenly the sister airline starts to rise. It's not so bad at first, it's just a few A320s doing their thing domestically. It can't hurt right?
The sister airline goes into massive expansion. The capital is pumped into this operation. New jets ordered to fuel Qantas growth is pumped into this offshoot.
Guys who have been in the company less than 5 years are getting commands and others who were driving 1900s when you signed up in the group are now wide body A330 Captains. Something starts to stink.
Suddenly your career has been pulled from under you. You may never see a command. The airline is shrinking and you face the very real possibility of going to the back seat again in the next 5 years, if you still have a job. Guys that have been there since 2008 are still in the back seat, and face the probability of redundancy.
Meanwhile guys in the sister airline are up for commands on the domestic fleet.
You are frustrated, bitter and resentful. How did this happen?
The sister airline guys start getting upset at you, because by you coming across to their operation to save what's left of your career, you are taking away their command opportunities? What a joke? You've been in the group for going on 10 years. You don't want to go there, but if you want to stay with the wife and kids in Australia and still have a marriage, you have no bloody choice!
Next time you watch the Qantas guys taking up those seniority slots. Have a think why, and take a look in the mirror.
There's a new spirit alright, just not everybody is welcome to share it.
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Wise words, well said.
When they finish tearing the longhaul crew apart, next stop is the QF shorthaul guys. Once finished with them, who is next? One guess.
Just the way this company chooses to deal with people. Management have deliberately chosen this path, and they have to be extremely successful with it in order to make it pay.
The CEO has worked for only one model of a successful airline. Ryanair. Ask anyone who works there what it is like and ask if this will be all of us in Australian aviation in 5 years time.
When they finish tearing the longhaul crew apart, next stop is the QF shorthaul guys. Once finished with them, who is next? One guess.
Just the way this company chooses to deal with people. Management have deliberately chosen this path, and they have to be extremely successful with it in order to make it pay.
The CEO has worked for only one model of a successful airline. Ryanair. Ask anyone who works there what it is like and ask if this will be all of us in Australian aviation in 5 years time.
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Green Goblin....no offence to you, but the Ansett guys had that rug pulled from underneath them 10 years ago...If you guys didnt see the writing on the wall when Impulse was bought by Dixon...well.........
Green Goblin,
You sir, have one hell of a warped perspective!
I have also worked my arse off in GA and unlike some I didn't get into Qantas. Instead, I slaved away in a "sister airline" for many years working longer hours and receiving significantly less renumeration. Finally a real opportunity exists for me and my collegues to be awarded a command upgrade. Something we have been working hard for for many years.
All of a sudden a group of people think they have every right to just come along and walk into our airline and take our jobs and destroy everything we have worked for since day 1. Apparently, according to some people we are supposed to be okay with this. Apparently these people think they are better than everyone else because their airline is bigger than ours, they make more money than we do and their Q is bigger than our Q so this gives them every right to serve them selves as they please and not expect anyone to say anything. For a bunch of people who "don't want to go there" it's very interesting how all of a sudden, when things don't look so good and their careers are under threat they want to join us and take everything we have.
Mate, if you expect us to sit back and not get upset for what you think you are entitled to, then good luck!
You can keep that new spirit of yours, cause where I am no one wants it!
You sir, have one hell of a warped perspective!
I have also worked my arse off in GA and unlike some I didn't get into Qantas. Instead, I slaved away in a "sister airline" for many years working longer hours and receiving significantly less renumeration. Finally a real opportunity exists for me and my collegues to be awarded a command upgrade. Something we have been working hard for for many years.
All of a sudden a group of people think they have every right to just come along and walk into our airline and take our jobs and destroy everything we have worked for since day 1. Apparently, according to some people we are supposed to be okay with this. Apparently these people think they are better than everyone else because their airline is bigger than ours, they make more money than we do and their Q is bigger than our Q so this gives them every right to serve them selves as they please and not expect anyone to say anything. For a bunch of people who "don't want to go there" it's very interesting how all of a sudden, when things don't look so good and their careers are under threat they want to join us and take everything we have.
Mate, if you expect us to sit back and not get upset for what you think you are entitled to, then good luck!
You can keep that new spirit of yours, cause where I am no one wants it!
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The only reason a lot of Jetstar pilots are flying jets is that they are prepared to work for food. Why? Because they could not get a proper job.
Some people were never meant to fly however Australian GA keeps pumping the legends out!
Some people were never meant to fly however Australian GA keeps pumping the legends out!
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Bigboeingboy,
well you think everyone wanted to be a Qantas pilot eh? Well good for you and your self-assertiveness.
Funny you say that, I know many pilots who joined QF from GA.
Because they could not get a proper job
Some people were never meant to fly however Australian GA keeps pumping the legends out!
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Skysook.. you are an idiot!
I am happy to elaborate on why but can't be bothered... re-read your post, relax and have a think about everything that you have written.
What you are describing is everything that has happen to the QF guys, so please get off your high-horse.
You have got to be F%$king kidding me right???? OMFG!
Remember who pays "your airline" and who Subsidises "your airline" and who started "your airline" and who "your airline" took jobs off!!!!!
This is the most rediculous sh*t I have read in a long time!!... get your head out of your arse!
I certainly hope that your colleagues do not share the same views as you!
I am happy to elaborate on why but can't be bothered... re-read your post, relax and have a think about everything that you have written.
What you are describing is everything that has happen to the QF guys, so please get off your high-horse.
All of a sudden a group of people think they have every right to just come along and walk into our airline and take our jobs and destroy everything we have worked for since day 1
Remember who pays "your airline" and who Subsidises "your airline" and who started "your airline" and who "your airline" took jobs off!!!!!
This is the most rediculous sh*t I have read in a long time!!... get your head out of your arse!
I certainly hope that your colleagues do not share the same views as you!