Qantas/Jetstar mou possibilities
The MOU is a two way agreement, if say someone who knew how to run an airline (JB) , was currently in charge maybe there would be massive growth in Qantas not jetstar. Jetstar pilots could come over under the MOU, above a whole heap of current Q pilots. Don't you think there would be a rush for that? I haven't read the MOU recently but i doubt if the J* pilots would have to pay for a 73/6/4 etc endorsement.
I understand most of the guys in jetstar that are covered by the MOU have a command at the moment, but i am sure they would transfer over to the Qantas LH or SH award without a second thought, especially for a command.
If you joined J* after the MOU, you can't really complain about this, its part of your employment contract. It should have been part of your consideration when accepting employement.
I understand most of the guys in jetstar that are covered by the MOU have a command at the moment, but i am sure they would transfer over to the Qantas LH or SH award without a second thought, especially for a command.
If you joined J* after the MOU, you can't really complain about this, its part of your employment contract. It should have been part of your consideration when accepting employement.
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standard,
Could not have said it better myself. Only to add, Skysook is an appropriate name...
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Skysook, you signed up for the gig mate....
Could not have said it better myself. Only to add, Skysook is an appropriate name...
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Skysook, when you signed up to Jetstar were there ghost Q seniority numbers on Jetstars list?
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So now the Skygods are gunna come here and take our jobs
U jocks don't even have to do the hard yards like we did and fork out for an endo
Don't think you'll be getting an easy ride from this "armie of one".
My engagement just hit rock botom
U jocks don't even have to do the hard yards like we did and fork out for an endo
Don't think you'll be getting an easy ride from this "armie of one".
My engagement just hit rock botom
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For gods sake would everyone just calm down! Can't you see that everyone is getting shafted, QF guys being forced to JQ or overseas, JQ guys missing out on commands and don't forget the pilots on hold for JQ (who turned down a previous offer) who are still waiting.
For years I've read on this board that pilots will never get ahead until we stick together and now the bean counters have us exactly where they want and we're not helping the situation. I don't know what the solution is but I know that nothing will improve if we (the pilot body) are constantly at each others throats.
We need to stop acting like spoilt brats and more like the professionals we claim to be.
For years I've read on this board that pilots will never get ahead until we stick together and now the bean counters have us exactly where they want and we're not helping the situation. I don't know what the solution is but I know that nothing will improve if we (the pilot body) are constantly at each others throats.
We need to stop acting like spoilt brats and more like the professionals we claim to be.
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Capt L I agree with you.
I will be affected by the MOU, but i don't have a problem with this. It was there when I signed up, and if this is a way that fellow aviators maintain employment then thats a good thing. A command is not the be all and end all. It will come eventually, in the mean time enjoy having a life! Work is purely a means to an end.
So long as the MOU is followed and adhered to with complete transperency, and no special deals done, then welcome to our Qantas bretheryn. I hope you enjoy your time with us, and hope that we all play well together. Its just a job!
And I'll apologise upfront for the food, working conditions, calls on your day off at 3:00am, fatigue issues
Come on guys, this is not the way we should be treating eachother.
I will be affected by the MOU, but i don't have a problem with this. It was there when I signed up, and if this is a way that fellow aviators maintain employment then thats a good thing. A command is not the be all and end all. It will come eventually, in the mean time enjoy having a life! Work is purely a means to an end.
So long as the MOU is followed and adhered to with complete transperency, and no special deals done, then welcome to our Qantas bretheryn. I hope you enjoy your time with us, and hope that we all play well together. Its just a job!
And I'll apologise upfront for the food, working conditions, calls on your day off at 3:00am, fatigue issues
Come on guys, this is not the way we should be treating eachother.
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U jocks don't even have to do the hard yards like we did and fork out for an endo
I cannot believe I am Reading this sh*t... coughing up some dough is the hard yards is it?
Trust me I know it's a sh*t deal, just as much as anybody.. but nobody forced you to pay the "hard yards", there is more than 1 airline in the world!
It must have been hard walking into a window seat, spending 2 years and then getting a Command (assuming you are a Captain)
If anything the fact that endorsements are being paid for has to be a positive and set a new standard for Jetstar employees.
Don't think you'll be getting an easy ride from this "armie of one".
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***Message from the Chief Pilot ***
***Message from the Chief Pilot ***
Flight Operations to cover endorsement fees for
LWOP applicants for currently-advertised JQ positions
As a result of your feedback at recent town hall
briefings, I undertook to look into the issue of
endorsement fees for Jetstar opportunities. Lyell Strambi
and I have discussed the matter, and Im pleased to advise
that Flight Operations will cover the endorsement fees
for Qantas Flight Crew who take up the recently-advertised
Jetstar positions on leave without pay (LWOP) or under
the terms of the MOU.
Since the changes to the international business were
announced on 16 August, Ive been speaking with crew
about the impact they will have on us and how we will
manage the 180 pilot roles that will be surplus at the
time the additional four B744s retire in April 2012. I
have also sought to organise a meeting with AIPA on the
impact of the initiatives contained in the announcement.
I'm still hopeful that we will be able to avoid the need
for redundancies, given that more than 250 crew have
expressed interest in taking leave without pay.
I understand that the endorsement fees are a potential
barrier to crew taking up Jetstar positions. Therefore,
Lyell and I both agree that holding on to our crew by
helping them to take up short-term opportunities with
Jetstar is a much more preferable option for everyone
than potentially having to make pilots redundant.
This arrangement will cover Qantas Flight Crew who
accept currently-advertised positions with Jetstar and
are approved for LWOP (whether under the MOU or not).
We are still working out the finer details of how the
reimbursement of the endorsement fees will be
administered. We are also working with Jetstar Pilot
Recruitment to keep them informed of our commitment.
Flight Crew who are currently going through the Jetstar
assessment process or who have been offered positions
with Jetstar already should continue to follow the normal
Jetstar recruitment and Qantas LWOP approval processes.
If you have specific questions regarding your individual
circumstances please email
....................@qantas.com.com
Regards
Captain P.W.
Flight Operations to cover endorsement fees for
LWOP applicants for currently-advertised JQ positions
As a result of your feedback at recent town hall
briefings, I undertook to look into the issue of
endorsement fees for Jetstar opportunities. Lyell Strambi
and I have discussed the matter, and Im pleased to advise
that Flight Operations will cover the endorsement fees
for Qantas Flight Crew who take up the recently-advertised
Jetstar positions on leave without pay (LWOP) or under
the terms of the MOU.
Since the changes to the international business were
announced on 16 August, Ive been speaking with crew
about the impact they will have on us and how we will
manage the 180 pilot roles that will be surplus at the
time the additional four B744s retire in April 2012. I
have also sought to organise a meeting with AIPA on the
impact of the initiatives contained in the announcement.
I'm still hopeful that we will be able to avoid the need
for redundancies, given that more than 250 crew have
expressed interest in taking leave without pay.
I understand that the endorsement fees are a potential
barrier to crew taking up Jetstar positions. Therefore,
Lyell and I both agree that holding on to our crew by
helping them to take up short-term opportunities with
Jetstar is a much more preferable option for everyone
than potentially having to make pilots redundant.
This arrangement will cover Qantas Flight Crew who
accept currently-advertised positions with Jetstar and
are approved for LWOP (whether under the MOU or not).
We are still working out the finer details of how the
reimbursement of the endorsement fees will be
administered. We are also working with Jetstar Pilot
Recruitment to keep them informed of our commitment.
Flight Crew who are currently going through the Jetstar
assessment process or who have been offered positions
with Jetstar already should continue to follow the normal
Jetstar recruitment and Qantas LWOP approval processes.
If you have specific questions regarding your individual
circumstances please email
....................@qantas.com.com
Regards
Captain P.W.
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Most guys will join outside the ghost numbers so end up on the bottom of the JQ seniority list. No one is displaced already in JQ. "If" anyone is taken from within the MOU, its only a 3 year deal anyway.
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Sound familar !!
Furthermore, in order to maintain power and influence, large governments will often work to keep smaller powers and governments from uniting. In fact, this use of the principles within the Divide and Conquer Strategy is most common. It is much easier to prevent small powers from linking forces than to break them apart once they have aligned.
Leaders who utilize Divide and Conquer Strategy may encourage or foster feuds between smaller powers. This kind of political maneuvering requires a great understanding of the peoples who are being manipulated. In order to foster feuds, for example, one must understand the political and social histories of the parties intended to take part in the feuds.
Sound familar !!
Standard, I dont work for Jetstar. But I'll support a Jetstar pilot over a QF pilot any day. Why? simply because they work a hell of a lot harder and they earn a hell of a lot less and therfore do it a hell of a lot tougher than you! and I respect that, I don't care what happened in the past. That's completely irrelevant because most employees at jetstar joined well after their establishment. They joined because they needed employment to survive and with their qualifications and experience, perhaps Jetstar was the only choice they had. They certainly would not turn an offer down just to protect the flying and salary of some snooty faced, over paid prick in another airline.
Salary sacrificing $40,000 for an endorsement places a hell of a burden on ones income so yes I would describe that as doing the "hard yards". Since you're probably sitting on tripple figures I'm guessing that's something you clearly know nothing about.
Your arrogance and pretentiousness is outstanding! If you have an opportunity to join Jetstar then take my advice and turn it down cause people like you will simply not fit in...
..."There's more than 1 airline in the world" remember?
Salary sacrificing $40,000 for an endorsement places a hell of a burden on ones income so yes I would describe that as doing the "hard yards". Since you're probably sitting on tripple figures I'm guessing that's something you clearly know nothing about.
Your arrogance and pretentiousness is outstanding! If you have an opportunity to join Jetstar then take my advice and turn it down cause people like you will simply not fit in...
..."There's more than 1 airline in the world" remember?
skysook, check your facts. Yes, Jetstar pilots work a hell of a lot harder, but they don't earn a hell of a lot more. Most Jetstar Captains would be on 220 plus, and some on 280 plus. Ask most QF short haul 737 Captains what they're on. It's about 220-240. 767 Captains about 250.
Just remember jetstar pilot, it was you guys that came in and took our flying in the first place, and now moan about your conditions after undercutting (read screwing) us.
I wouldn't go over and pollute your culture for all the tea in China.
Just remember jetstar pilot, it was you guys that came in and took our flying in the first place, and now moan about your conditions after undercutting (read screwing) us.
I wouldn't go over and pollute your culture for all the tea in China.
I'll support a Jetstar pilot over a QF pilot any day. Why? simply because they work a hell of a lot harder and they earn a hell of a lot less and therfore do it a hell of a lot tougher than you! and I respect that
(No disrespect intended to the fine pilots at Jetstar, just taking issue with a stupid comment)
