Virgin & VIPA - pay rise
Opposition Union!!?
I think that you will find that both VIPA and the AFAP represent the pilot profession.
The only tangible difference being VIPA represent a very specific pilot group, i.e. the VA Group pilots; the AFAP represent a very broad base of pilots in the greater industry.
The intangible difference between these to representative bodies is the politics and agendas represented by those in the executive.
Both are unions, both purport to represent their members. To allege that these representative bodies are in opposition would only serve to support the intangible aspect of each.
I have to say that I find the mood and comments on this website do get agitated.
Some other forums like AVForums and Car racing forums are far more cordial in their discussion, even though there are numerous differences of opinion. Food for thought....
I think that you will find that both VIPA and the AFAP represent the pilot profession.
The only tangible difference being VIPA represent a very specific pilot group, i.e. the VA Group pilots; the AFAP represent a very broad base of pilots in the greater industry.
The intangible difference between these to representative bodies is the politics and agendas represented by those in the executive.
Both are unions, both purport to represent their members. To allege that these representative bodies are in opposition would only serve to support the intangible aspect of each.
I have to say that I find the mood and comments on this website do get agitated.
Some other forums like AVForums and Car racing forums are far more cordial in their discussion, even though there are numerous differences of opinion. Food for thought....
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Just hope the AR shows their is money to fund this, in the mean time JB should take a real close look at what is not going well on board with the new catering, at times it is a real mess and many customers are not happy as are the CC. If any management read this then get on board and take note and fix it.
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Aviation Boy,
He had that chance before and didn't learn a thing, so why would it happen now....I know he is the smartest guy in the room.
Well done JB, its nice to see yet another positive step.
He had that chance before and didn't learn a thing, so why would it happen now....I know he is the smartest guy in the room.
Well done JB, its nice to see yet another positive step.
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You're right, opposition was probably not the right word, competing would have been better, and there is no doubt VIPA and the AFAP have collaborated to achieve a good outcome for the pilots.
But, if you think that unions who represent the same body of workers are not competing for membership, and therfore dominance, then I would say you are mistaken. Over time, one of the two unions will become dominant, and when that happens, that union and its members will be calling the shots. The company is only humoring both unions at present because FWA legislation requires it, and they are not sure yet which union will become dominant.
That said, it was extremely encouraging to see that if there are any higher level union political issues, they haven't had an adverse effect on the EBA. Bodes well for the VB EBA I would think.
But, if you think that unions who represent the same body of workers are not competing for membership, and therfore dominance, then I would say you are mistaken. Over time, one of the two unions will become dominant, and when that happens, that union and its members will be calling the shots. The company is only humoring both unions at present because FWA legislation requires it, and they are not sure yet which union will become dominant.
That said, it was extremely encouraging to see that if there are any higher level union political issues, they haven't had an adverse effect on the EBA. Bodes well for the VB EBA I would think.
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So what's the deal at V Aus now? If they were on individual contracts before, how does one quantify a "28%" increase?
What will the new salaries be for Captains, FOs and CFOs?
What will the new salaries be for Captains, FOs and CFOs?
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Of note, VIPA recently welcomed their 500th member....with the total number of pilots at Virgin, I would guess that VIPA now has the majority. I for one am extremely happy with VIPA and wouldn't spend a cent on AFAP...but that's just me.
Of note, 3 Captains from Vaustralia were on the VIPA negotiating committee and top blokes, and I would guess that THEY were mainly responsible for both attaining a fantastic first EBA and maintaining a good relationship with management...something that is not easy to do.
We all owe VIPA and John Borghetti a lot of credit for this. It would not have happened without the hard work of these 3 Vaustralia/VIPA Captains and Mr. Borghetti...
What was Qantas thinking when they let him go????
Of note, 3 Captains from Vaustralia were on the VIPA negotiating committee and top blokes, and I would guess that THEY were mainly responsible for both attaining a fantastic first EBA and maintaining a good relationship with management...something that is not easy to do.
We all owe VIPA and John Borghetti a lot of credit for this. It would not have happened without the hard work of these 3 Vaustralia/VIPA Captains and Mr. Borghetti...
What was Qantas thinking when they let him go????
he had alot to do with it 
unlike qantas
I know its not the same, but we're happy qantas no!
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3 part airline
So lets clear all the bull**** aside and go straight to the point.
This EBA is good news for Virgin and the industry in general but the question is this.
When does PB get a bite of the Virgin apple or is this a new American deal only and the Mexicans get shafted.
Fly safe.
Hoov
This EBA is good news for Virgin and the industry in general but the question is this.
When does PB get a bite of the Virgin apple or is this a new American deal only and the Mexicans get shafted.
Fly safe.
Hoov
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Not Bollocks at all Toluene.
My heart felt to the three VIPA VOZ Capts that represented us, they have done a great job and to paraphrase their words and ideals; we can all now get on with making VOZ a great international airline.
Well done those men!
Well done those men!
Of note, VIPA recently welcomed their 500th member....with the total number of pilots at Virgin, I would guess that VIPA now has the majority.
With 958 VB pilots(based on last DOJ I have) and approx 150 VOZ pilots, less the pilots that are members of both unions I'd say both AFAP & VIPA have equal membership.
So while 'The Borg' goes around shaking hands with the various union reps and politicians in Canberra with big smiles and a few back slaps, the ATR deal is undermining everything that ANY pilot union should stand for.
He has now craftily created a VOZ deal that will inevitably lead to a fleet pay scenario as the pay scales are so close.
Yep Borghetti is the maestro alright, industrially he will create two competitive groups vying for work and a fleet pay scale that AIPA has resisted for decades.
NAIVE.
He has now craftily created a VOZ deal that will inevitably lead to a fleet pay scenario as the pay scales are so close.
Yep Borghetti is the maestro alright, industrially he will create two competitive groups vying for work and a fleet pay scale that AIPA has resisted for decades.
NAIVE.
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Meanwhile in a slow news day, news.com.au makes a story about something that happens almost every freakin' night....
Flight targeted by laser light | News.com.au
Flight targeted by laser light | News.com.au
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Jeez, I didn't realise Borghetti was such a hands on person. Involved in pulling off the VOZ EBA and all?
BOLLOCKS.
BOLLOCKS.
Mr. Borghetti does take a hands on approach.
If you send him an e-mail, he will personally respond....
I have had him on a flight and expressed a few concerns to him...he takes notes and you get feedback from him.
When crew feedback said they wanted allowances in cash in local currency, he made it happen.
He brought in Sean Donahue from United and gave him the authority to negotiate the pilot EBA.
When things were at a stand still on the EBA, the VIPA negotating committe asked for a meeting with Mr. Borghetti, which was granted, and the road blocks to the EBA were removed.
He is a hands on guy, an airline guy, and a guy Qantas should be concerned about letting go.
My 2 cents...