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Just so you guys are aware I'm by no means married to the idea of joining Jetstar. Simply from what I have seen at the moment its my best option available.
In saying that if there are other ideas out there that would suit then I'm more than happy to look into them.
Anyone know any good Aus/NZ pilot job websites?
In saying that if there are other ideas out there that would suit then I'm more than happy to look into them.
Anyone know any good Aus/NZ pilot job websites?
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In saying that if there are other ideas out there that would suit then I'm more than happy to look into them.
Anyone know any good Aus/NZ pilot job websites?
Anyone know any good Aus/NZ pilot job websites?
Confident in your own abilities, positive attitude? Keep reading those self help books boy.
You liken the cadetship process to an apprenticeship - an apprentice knows to keep his head down, and mouth shut when required, and absorb knowledge from those around him.
You don't sound anything like an apprentice to me.
God help me if I ever have to share a flightdeck with the likes of you.
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Basic employment law huh? That is just so blinkered on so many counts I don't know where to start. They own your arse mate. A sensation you need to get used to very quickly if you wish to go down their road. Suggest you read a recent history of the jetstar employment practices.
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God help me if I ever have to share a flightdeck with the likes of you.
Cheers Buddah
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You asked a question a while back along the lines of "Who on here wouldn't accept this cadetship if they were starting out like you are?" Good question and I dare say that without any more info than what had been provided by CTC and Jetstar I would say 100% on here would probably take the cadetship.
Unfortunately the aviation world isn't quite like CTC and Jetstar want you to believe it is. CTC have very very slick marketing about how good they are and what wonderful opportunities their cadets have. Anyone listening to their sweet words is going to find it hard to think otherwise. You come across as someone who had been blinded by their spin. You don't know what you don't know, you don't get to see the big bad world of aviation as you are snuggled up in the CTC cocoon.
Yes, the world is changing, that's always been the case, but it's no reason to lie down and take what ever's coming without trying to get the best deal or at least maintain the status quo.
You keep telling us the airlines need to reduce costs and therefore pilots need to be prepared to work for less and less. Sure they need to take steps to curb cost increases but please tell us why they need to reduce costs. They have made money in that past with the current cost structures, what's different now? Do you know what % of total costs pilots wages are?
Are the airlines paying their executives any less to keep their costs down?
Are airlines paying their IT staff their admin staff etc, any less?
What other industry is hell bent on cutting wages of key staff to the extent is happening in aviation?
Sure you might think that 100K is a good enough salary for later in your career. Once you start looking around and see what salaries your friends are earning, those that have spent/borrowed in excess of 100K to fund their trainng and see what they are earning then you might think twice about what a good deal you've got for yourself. Once you start realising that you spend quiet a bit of time away from home missing things like your children's birthdays and other special events. Once you realise that because of the shift patterns your time at home doesn't have much quality as you need the rest. Then you might think 100K isn't all that flash after all.
Many on here see the likes of this cadet scam as a threat to their future earning ability. Many people have made a huge investment in their future based on what they expected to earn, they now see this being taken away from them. What they are trying to point out is that that anyone taking on a cadetship like this is potentially cutting their own throat and the throats of others.
Just as you have pointed out your reasons for thinking the Jetstar deal is good for you, you cannot blame them for speaking out either.
Many posters on here have experience in the big wide world of aviation and are attempting to put another perspective on things. I'll finish with the quote, "There's none so blind as those that will not see".
You asked a question a while back along the lines of "Who on here wouldn't accept this cadetship if they were starting out like you are?" Good question and I dare say that without any more info than what had been provided by CTC and Jetstar I would say 100% on here would probably take the cadetship.
Unfortunately the aviation world isn't quite like CTC and Jetstar want you to believe it is. CTC have very very slick marketing about how good they are and what wonderful opportunities their cadets have. Anyone listening to their sweet words is going to find it hard to think otherwise. You come across as someone who had been blinded by their spin. You don't know what you don't know, you don't get to see the big bad world of aviation as you are snuggled up in the CTC cocoon.
Yes, the world is changing, that's always been the case, but it's no reason to lie down and take what ever's coming without trying to get the best deal or at least maintain the status quo.
You keep telling us the airlines need to reduce costs and therefore pilots need to be prepared to work for less and less. Sure they need to take steps to curb cost increases but please tell us why they need to reduce costs. They have made money in that past with the current cost structures, what's different now? Do you know what % of total costs pilots wages are?
Are the airlines paying their executives any less to keep their costs down?
Are airlines paying their IT staff their admin staff etc, any less?
What other industry is hell bent on cutting wages of key staff to the extent is happening in aviation?
Sure you might think that 100K is a good enough salary for later in your career. Once you start looking around and see what salaries your friends are earning, those that have spent/borrowed in excess of 100K to fund their trainng and see what they are earning then you might think twice about what a good deal you've got for yourself. Once you start realising that you spend quiet a bit of time away from home missing things like your children's birthdays and other special events. Once you realise that because of the shift patterns your time at home doesn't have much quality as you need the rest. Then you might think 100K isn't all that flash after all.
Many on here see the likes of this cadet scam as a threat to their future earning ability. Many people have made a huge investment in their future based on what they expected to earn, they now see this being taken away from them. What they are trying to point out is that that anyone taking on a cadetship like this is potentially cutting their own throat and the throats of others.
Just as you have pointed out your reasons for thinking the Jetstar deal is good for you, you cannot blame them for speaking out either.
Many posters on here have experience in the big wide world of aviation and are attempting to put another perspective on things. I'll finish with the quote, "There's none so blind as those that will not see".
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I know which I'd choose as well. NEITHER!
Seriously. It's all very well to embark on a career change that will "give you the job you have always wanted". But if that means financial ruin, divorce, etc, then you've got to take a step back and be realistic about it.
Sounds like a flying career for J* in NZ means that you'll be earning a low income and paying off a massive debt. Six years later you have to go overseas and fly in a developing nation or the Sandpit to earn a middle income. You'll come back to work in NZ for your retirement job on an even lower income; the only reason is by now you're getting old and will do anything to come back home.
If that is truly the flying career in NZ, then I would do something else.
Dreams are dreams, but reality takes priority.
DIVOSH!
And what is the alternative? Flying crappy old geriatric GA aircraft while living in a hole, eating 2min noodles and scrounging around the aero club skip looking for extra food. Hmmm I know which I'd choose!
Seriously. It's all very well to embark on a career change that will "give you the job you have always wanted". But if that means financial ruin, divorce, etc, then you've got to take a step back and be realistic about it.
Sounds like a flying career for J* in NZ means that you'll be earning a low income and paying off a massive debt. Six years later you have to go overseas and fly in a developing nation or the Sandpit to earn a middle income. You'll come back to work in NZ for your retirement job on an even lower income; the only reason is by now you're getting old and will do anything to come back home.
If that is truly the flying career in NZ, then I would do something else.
Dreams are dreams, but reality takes priority.
DIVOSH!
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This is how it works. Staff come along and work for the rate offered means Jetstar can offer cheaper fares, the next low cost carrier cuts salaries and offers lower fares. Because there is such a fine margin and so much competition in low cost, jetstar will then come out with a lower salary, pilots except that, much to the disgust of Peonex NZ and others that accept the current contract and Jetstar lowers the cost hence offers lower fares. The game goes on and no one wins accept the CEO's. I you end up being offered a lot less that what's on offer today in 3 years time, don't be surprised. This is how low cost works. If you want to be a part of this, it's up to you. What ever blows your hair back. DO NOT whinge in 3 years time when you can't afford to feed your family. Because you will be known to all your collegues.
Everyone is entitled to their own decisions but you are the master of your own destiny. Good luck.
Just to let you know, I left a job paying $80,000 at 30 years old, Went cattle mustering in the outback without my partner for 18 months, then flew light twins on night freight before my first airline job flying Saabs. I had a ball, wouldn't change a thing, gained valuable experience and now have a command on a jet at 40. Jetstar survives by dangelling carrots to aspiring young pilots. Do the hard yards, you'll build friends for life and you'll look back on those years in GA with great fondness.
Everyone is entitled to their own decisions but you are the master of your own destiny. Good luck.
Just to let you know, I left a job paying $80,000 at 30 years old, Went cattle mustering in the outback without my partner for 18 months, then flew light twins on night freight before my first airline job flying Saabs. I had a ball, wouldn't change a thing, gained valuable experience and now have a command on a jet at 40. Jetstar survives by dangelling carrots to aspiring young pilots. Do the hard yards, you'll build friends for life and you'll look back on those years in GA with great fondness.
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Ha ha... welcome back to the '60s... 
I've handled recruitment for two airlines in my career, and PhoenixNZ is exactly the sort of guy I'd hire. Confident, focused, capable of reasoned argument and joined-up thinking. Perfect for aviation. But more to the point, he is an HR person's dream, and that is is increasingly the only requirement these days. Not saying that last bit is a good thing, BTW.
I certainly wouldn't hire YOU with an attitude like that, you would be one of those arsehole captains if you treat people like that.
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Yes... at my former airline, anyway. Low-cost operator with 100+ airframes:
2006 - 4.96%
2007 - 5.15%
2008 - 5.63%
2009 - 6.04%
2010 - 5.79%
Training is typically 0.15% of Total Operating Costs.
The reason for posting those figures is to demonstrate that, in terms of the overall financial picture, cutting crew salaries has minimal effect on the bottom line and is only generally done when times are extremely desperate. Pilot salaries are often the biggest identifiable figure in an airline's budget, because of the sheer number of pilots compared to other staff groups, but still only a small percentage and often the hardest to change. We found, for example, that efficient fuel hedging netted us far greater savings than any attempt to thwart pay increases might have done. That is not to say that airlines don't look at every possible saving, of course.
Highest operating expenses are (generally):
Passenger Embarkation Fees (ie airport charges)
Flight Equipment Rental (ie lease costs)
Fuel
Engineering
Yes - see post 46 above - http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-reporting...ml#post6593146
Well for a start it won't be 100K, more like 170K for a skipper with all the bits and pieces added in. My mates at Jetstar tell me that overnights are pretty rare for skippers, which makes sense because most low-cost operators have few night stops (way too expensive for them).
Nobody is blaming them for speaking out, however it is the MANNER in which they do so that is objectionable... as PhoenixNZ said, "One can't have an opposing opinion without being called a scab, sellout, HR employee, management wannabe etc etc etc." He's presenting a reasoned and sensible argument, with no emotion, and is being abused by so-called "professional" pilots. Not a good look, really.
Di_Vosh
Couldn't agree more. I wouldn't do it.
Fruet Mich
No, it really isn't. It's how some operators work, but the grandaddy of them all, and the model on which all others are built, doesn't work that way at all (Southwest Airlines). Very well paid, profit share, most employees own part of their company. People hardly ever leave Southwest, and for good reason.
Most lo-cos go to Southwest to see how they work, it's a kind of pilgrimage. When the Ryanair CEO went there a few years ago, he took some of their lessons and applied them... but not ALL of them, which is why Ryanair now has industrial relation issues. The Southwest CEO, during an interview, just shook his head and said that unless Ryanair implemented Southwest's staffing policies, they would have a lot of trouble in the future. Guess what...
I believe that the lo-cos that survive will be the ones that implement a Southwest-style staff policy. Funny how they make so much money while treating their staff so well...
So no, I don't think Jetstar will attempt to ruthlessly cut pilot salaries, it's completely counter-productive.
And "doing the hard yards" is an anachronism in the Noughties.
Well based on your postings and if it were up to me, I wouldn't hire you. Wouldn't touch you with a barge pole.
Confident in your own abilities, positive attitude? Keep reading those self help books boy.
You liken the cadetship process to an apprenticeship - an apprentice knows to keep his head down, and mouth shut when required, and absorb knowledge from those around him.
You don't sound anything like an apprentice to me.
Confident in your own abilities, positive attitude? Keep reading those self help books boy.
You liken the cadetship process to an apprenticeship - an apprentice knows to keep his head down, and mouth shut when required, and absorb knowledge from those around him.
You don't sound anything like an apprentice to me.
I've handled recruitment for two airlines in my career, and PhoenixNZ is exactly the sort of guy I'd hire. Confident, focused, capable of reasoned argument and joined-up thinking. Perfect for aviation. But more to the point, he is an HR person's dream, and that is is increasingly the only requirement these days. Not saying that last bit is a good thing, BTW.
I certainly wouldn't hire YOU with an attitude like that, you would be one of those arsehole captains if you treat people like that.
27/09
Do you know what % of total costs pilots wages are?
2006 - 4.96%
2007 - 5.15%
2008 - 5.63%
2009 - 6.04%
2010 - 5.79%
Training is typically 0.15% of Total Operating Costs.
The reason for posting those figures is to demonstrate that, in terms of the overall financial picture, cutting crew salaries has minimal effect on the bottom line and is only generally done when times are extremely desperate. Pilot salaries are often the biggest identifiable figure in an airline's budget, because of the sheer number of pilots compared to other staff groups, but still only a small percentage and often the hardest to change. We found, for example, that efficient fuel hedging netted us far greater savings than any attempt to thwart pay increases might have done. That is not to say that airlines don't look at every possible saving, of course.
Highest operating expenses are (generally):
Passenger Embarkation Fees (ie airport charges)
Flight Equipment Rental (ie lease costs)
Fuel
Engineering
Are the airlines paying their executives any less to keep their costs down?
Sure you might think that 100K is a good enough salary for later in your career.
Just as you have pointed out your reasons for thinking the Jetstar deal is good for you, you cannot blame them for speaking out either.
Di_Vosh
If that is truly the flying career in NZ, then I would do something else.
Dreams are dreams, but reality takes priority.
Dreams are dreams, but reality takes priority.
Fruet Mich
I you end up being offered a lot less that what's on offer today in 3 years time, don't be surprised. This is how low cost works.
Most lo-cos go to Southwest to see how they work, it's a kind of pilgrimage. When the Ryanair CEO went there a few years ago, he took some of their lessons and applied them... but not ALL of them, which is why Ryanair now has industrial relation issues. The Southwest CEO, during an interview, just shook his head and said that unless Ryanair implemented Southwest's staffing policies, they would have a lot of trouble in the future. Guess what...
I believe that the lo-cos that survive will be the ones that implement a Southwest-style staff policy. Funny how they make so much money while treating their staff so well...
So no, I don't think Jetstar will attempt to ruthlessly cut pilot salaries, it's completely counter-productive.
And "doing the hard yards" is an anachronism in the Noughties.
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Mate do what you think is best for you. I did what is known as the hard yards. Not as hard as some but still hard. If Jetstar was around back then I would have to say it would appeal. A couple of years flying an A320 vs a couple in an Islander certainly looks attractive. Hell the way Air NZ HR is operating at the moment it you have a degree and a bit of jet time you will be recruited there before us loyal link pilots do.
Mate do what you think is best for you. I did what is known as the hard yards. Not as hard as some but still hard. If Jetstar was around back then I would have to say it would appeal. A couple of years flying an A320 vs a couple in an Islander certainly looks attractive. Hell the way Air NZ HR is operating at the moment it you have a degree and a bit of jet time you will be recruited there before us loyal link pilots do.
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This kind of thread used to really p!ss me off, reading this one just makes me shake my head and wonder who is going to win the race to the bottom.
phoenix - You have done your research but have you actually talked to any current Jetstar NZ pilots, because I've seen less sh!t come out of milking sheds than flying schools. Have you talked to any current jetstar pilots? They dont sound like a happy bunch of campers, you have to be sure that your sanity will remain intact for that 3-6 years bond without ruining your family life.
Jetstar may offer an easy entry into a jet with a marketable type rating to go overseas with. But you mention you have a family, do you think they will be happy to go live in the middle east or asia? Dont get too excited by the prospect of Air NZ. You see Air NZ are getting new aircraft (as they retire old ones) and will employ soon. But lets face it, glaciers are moving faster than Air NZ is or ever will. But when they do employ they have a huge amount of pilots within the link group that they will employ first and dont forget this wank-fest institute for aviation offering they same vauge promises as jetstar /CTC
Oh true, true. why would a training school and a budget airline (the perfect storm) lie? Just remember the jetstar slogan "special conditions apply" That just highlights to me you have got a rose tinted view of things. Go to the coal face mate and ask the crew.
As has been pointed out earlier, its easy to dump on someones idea without offering advice.... heres mine. GA love older people with some practical experience or a trade behind them. Do your reasearch, find the good job$ and sell your experiences to them. we all have licences but if you have a practical skill (lets face it, flying is'nt a practical skill) that makes you vastly more employable.
I really dont think you fully see where alot of these guys are coming from. Alot of us worked a series of crappy jobs to self-fund a licence. We did the hard yards (fun, but hard) in GA to crawl up the ladder to get to a secure well paying job and fight with union assistance to keep the hard earned conditions. Then the airlines start this budget airline carry-on and they watch the foundations of their jobs get slowly eaten away. Thats enough to upset most people but it really doesnt help when people like you have no shame in admitting they dont give a sh!t about selling themselves and their profession short. If you make it through the industry and into an airline you may find yourself in a similar position to us in a few years. This whole forum is a matter of perspective, the difference is far to great for any agreement I think.
Would I have done it if I could? No.
Good luck in the aviation industry, you sound like a smart chap but you still have alot to learn about aviation.
P.s I hear you get a set of steak-knifes as a signing bonus.
phoenix - You have done your research but have you actually talked to any current Jetstar NZ pilots, because I've seen less sh!t come out of milking sheds than flying schools. Have you talked to any current jetstar pilots? They dont sound like a happy bunch of campers, you have to be sure that your sanity will remain intact for that 3-6 years bond without ruining your family life.
Jetstar may offer an easy entry into a jet with a marketable type rating to go overseas with. But you mention you have a family, do you think they will be happy to go live in the middle east or asia? Dont get too excited by the prospect of Air NZ. You see Air NZ are getting new aircraft (as they retire old ones) and will employ soon. But lets face it, glaciers are moving faster than Air NZ is or ever will. But when they do employ they have a huge amount of pilots within the link group that they will employ first and dont forget this wank-fest institute for aviation offering they same vauge promises as jetstar /CTC
Now CTC can't just randomly put that information up without some sort of reasonable expectation that its true. Otherwise its false advertising which would result in serious trouble
As has been pointed out earlier, its easy to dump on someones idea without offering advice.... heres mine. GA love older people with some practical experience or a trade behind them. Do your reasearch, find the good job$ and sell your experiences to them. we all have licences but if you have a practical skill (lets face it, flying is'nt a practical skill) that makes you vastly more employable.
I really dont think you fully see where alot of these guys are coming from. Alot of us worked a series of crappy jobs to self-fund a licence. We did the hard yards (fun, but hard) in GA to crawl up the ladder to get to a secure well paying job and fight with union assistance to keep the hard earned conditions. Then the airlines start this budget airline carry-on and they watch the foundations of their jobs get slowly eaten away. Thats enough to upset most people but it really doesnt help when people like you have no shame in admitting they dont give a sh!t about selling themselves and their profession short. If you make it through the industry and into an airline you may find yourself in a similar position to us in a few years. This whole forum is a matter of perspective, the difference is far to great for any agreement I think.
Would I have done it if I could? No.
Good luck in the aviation industry, you sound like a smart chap but you still have alot to learn about aviation.
P.s I hear you get a set of steak-knifes as a signing bonus.
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My mention of the 100K was in reply to this statement from PhoenixNZ, which shows he'll be happy on 100K.
True there may not be overnights now, but as you well know airlines have a habit of changing the way they run their schedules, so there's no guarantees that there will be no overnights, in fact I'd say it could be highly likely in the future, look at the way Pacific Blue and Air NZ operate their Tasman and Pacific operations.
Well for a start it won't be 100K, more like 170K for a skipper with all the bits and pieces added in. My mates at Jetstar tell me that overnights are pretty rare for skippers, which makes sense because most low-cost operators have few night stops (way too expensive for them).
I personally dont mind that much whether in the future I'm earning 100k or 150k.
True there may not be overnights now, but as you well know airlines have a habit of changing the way they run their schedules, so there's no guarantees that there will be no overnights, in fact I'd say it could be highly likely in the future, look at the way Pacific Blue and Air NZ operate their Tasman and Pacific operations.
But more to the point, he is an HR person's dream, and that is is increasingly the only requirement these days. Not saying that last bit is a good thing, BTW.
Almost gone are the days where pilots were chosen on mostly on the ability to work with a the guy/gal beside them in a confined area for 8 hours and have the necessary skill to manage the aircraft properly, to be replaced with HR compliant drones. I'm not sure the two types of personality are mutually inclusive.
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Almost gone are the days where pilots were chosen on mostly on the ability to work with a the guy/gal beside them in a confined area for 8 hours and have the necessary skill to manage the aircraft properly, to be replaced with HR compliant drones. I'm not sure the two types of personality are mutually inclusive.
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Do any of you people having a go at PhoenixNZ go out drinking with mates at PB and JC? They are just as much to blame for the race to the bottom as the Jetstar lot. By paying for ratings and training the industry lowered itself and the flood gates opened. Now buying a job is standard industry practice. Accept at Air NZ where progression is non-existant. Which is why people are forced to buy ratings, so they can get ahead and provide for their families. I didn't and I am a fool. Those I know who did, work less and earn more. The reality is that to get ahead in this industry you have to bend over and take like a man. That's my definition of hard yards. Jetstar is the new GA. So young fellas and fellaesses grab a pot of lube and go for it.
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I'm confused now??
I originally looked at this thread because I saw an ad in todays paper for Jetstar NZ recruitment and I thought why not? I am an ex-plank driver now in rotary (GA) and am thinking long and hard about career choices. Most of my mates (ex Air Force) are now in the airlines and as I was cruising for 4 hours yesterday at a grand speed of 120KTAS, steadily going deaf, I began to regret getting out of fixed wing. I thought this thread might give an insight into working for Jetstar and residing in NZ but I have to admit, I can't figure out if it's a good idea or not.
My belief is that the LCC model has some way to go yet, particularly in Oz, and particularly with what I am seeing, reading and hearing in the media. Perhaps that is what we will all be stuck with, until the economic rationlists can finally understand that competant, happy employees (like those at SW as I understand it to be) can be considered an asset, or investment, just as a double aisle, high capcity aircraft can be. I think that the Jetstar cadet scheme appears to be aimed at, dare I say it, GenY applicants. Those that have grown up under the good economic times and have a great deal of self belief and opinions (trust me I work with one!). I remember that there was a number of previous cadet schemes with even worse conditions, how's "you pay for the training, we'll do it, then we probably won't have a position for you at the end sound?" I met a couple of blokes like that in the early '90s. Others had parents who re-mortgaged the house to the tune of 120K.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is no easy nor cheap road to the front of a jet aircraft, let's hope that some common sense reappears in the industry before wages and conditions droop to record lows and we all ruck each other in the head just to get the seats at the pointy end (assuming that FO's aren't replaced by a dog in the meantime).
Which brings me to my final point, is Jetstar a good employer or not??
My belief is that the LCC model has some way to go yet, particularly in Oz, and particularly with what I am seeing, reading and hearing in the media. Perhaps that is what we will all be stuck with, until the economic rationlists can finally understand that competant, happy employees (like those at SW as I understand it to be) can be considered an asset, or investment, just as a double aisle, high capcity aircraft can be. I think that the Jetstar cadet scheme appears to be aimed at, dare I say it, GenY applicants. Those that have grown up under the good economic times and have a great deal of self belief and opinions (trust me I work with one!). I remember that there was a number of previous cadet schemes with even worse conditions, how's "you pay for the training, we'll do it, then we probably won't have a position for you at the end sound?" I met a couple of blokes like that in the early '90s. Others had parents who re-mortgaged the house to the tune of 120K.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is no easy nor cheap road to the front of a jet aircraft, let's hope that some common sense reappears in the industry before wages and conditions droop to record lows and we all ruck each other in the head just to get the seats at the pointy end (assuming that FO's aren't replaced by a dog in the meantime).
Which brings me to my final point, is Jetstar a good employer or not??
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No they wont GG. I sit in my turboprop dutifully (stupidly) not perpetuating the rot by paying for my training, clutching on to the false hope that my loyalty to Brother Koru will someday pay off. In the meantime I watch pilots porn themselves out to the LCCs who now make more than I.
And what is the reward for sticking with the brotherhood. Finding out that you do not fit the AirNZ criteria due to lack of a degree, no Air Force time or some other HR BS when all along you could have been progressing in a LCC.
Talking about being a complete idiot.Don't make the same mistakes as I have young ones. Grab your chances when and where you can.
And what is the reward for sticking with the brotherhood. Finding out that you do not fit the AirNZ criteria due to lack of a degree, no Air Force time or some other HR BS when all along you could have been progressing in a LCC.
Talking about being a complete idiot.Don't make the same mistakes as I have young ones. Grab your chances when and where you can.
Haven't you heard the news? We aren't pilots any more... we are Flight Deck Systems Managers... (definitely not a good thing).