QF Pilots PIA

[Fatguyinalittlecoat]

I believe there is a trade off for the "free trip" also.
No duty travel in first class, ever, I believe.

So not only is the company telling lies about the trip being "free", they also neglect to mention there is trade off involved also.

T-Vasis, I don't believe you are silly enough to fall for this stuff.
What is your agenda?

Just like your name suggests, your becoming an outdated, and mostly irrelevant tool in Australian Aviation.

[DutchRoll]

Originally Posted by T-Vasis

I have a question - if the only "demand" from the pilot union is to not off-shore pilot positions, why is Qantas stating other demands from the group (which Qantas cannot afford) including free travel or use of crew rest, higher priority codes, Qantas Club access etc as other demands?

Qantas is alleging they can't afford them, even though it has consistently refused to show its costing workings to the pilot negotiating team. Qantas also refuses to acknowledge the fact that efficiency and other tradeoffs have been offered. Why do they act this way? Well, perhaps you should reflect on why they're doing it. I can think of a number of possible reasons, none of which involves them actually negotiating in good faith.

If they're not true, why would Qantas publish these as facts?

Well, you tell me. Why would Olivia Wirth go on TV and bluntly state that Qantas is still recruiting pilots (false)? Why would she issue a media release stating we are demanding $200,000 PA each (false)? Why would she state on TV that we're demanding free trips for all our friends and relatives (false). Why would she state in a radio interview that she's not sure whether Qantas has left-handed screwdrivers for the two engineers who were going to use only their left hands in maintenance work (because she's a blithering idiot)?

The unions could easily make a fool out of Qantas for making these statements as false - however they're not.
I've asked this question before on here and have been told they're not true - yet I don't see Barry come on in the media to say these are false and misleading claims?

AIPA have published numerous media releases stating these claims are false. Barry Jackson has been interviewed on TV and stated these claims are false. So has Richard Woodward.

Sh*t sometimes sticks, at least for a while, and Qantas are flooding the media with it. Don't be under the illusion that Qantas corporate PR has any budget restrictions during this dispute.

[Jack Ranga]

Logic also says that AJ is no fool and the August 24 soiree will be used by Q as tyre lever to belt us into submission

I thought every single one of you would see this date for what it is. It is a deliberate tactic to have every one of you quaking in your boots. Serious management that were interested in negotiation would not use an inflammatory tactic like this.

Go hard.

I think you will find there are more people backing you than not. When PIA starts and Australians are bombarded with the midgets continual f@#king whinge in that irritating, whining, uneducated accent they will see the forest for the trees.

[TIMA9X]

this date for what it is. It is a deliberate tactic to have every one of you quaking in your boots. Serious management that were interested in negotiation would not use an inflammatory tactic like this.

I agree, and my suspicion is Q management today are "quaking" in their boots, as the "unorthorised" PAs are going down a treat with the punters by all reports. My other half returned from Tulla with the news that all the pax on the flight, after hearing the PA cheered and clapped as well in support! Whoever it was sitting beside her also commented, "I was against this industrial action by the pilots until I boarded the flight, I changed my mind after realising that it was the management who created the mess Qantas was in, not the pilots."

I think you will find there are more people backing you than not.

Yes, I feel the same about this as well. It would be great if someone could record a video with the punters showing support, it would be priceless. This is what the management are fearing the most.

Keep up the good work guys.

[ejectx3]

What is the text of the PA can it be posted here?

[hotnhigh]

Thanks Jack.

[TIMA9X]

What is the text of the PA can it be posted here?

Here it is, from another thread,

From a AIPA press release - Although each pilot will personalise the message to some extent, the approximately 25 second announcement will be roughly as follows: ladies and gentlemen, this is (insert rank and name), together with (all participating crew) may I briefly have your attention.
On behalf of all Qantas pilots we would like to thank you for choosing to fly with Qantas. We are proud of our profession and our airline and trust you will support us in keeping Qantas pilots in Qantas aircraft and ensuring our great iconic airline remains uniquely Australian.
For more information and to register your support, please make your next destination qantaspilots.com.au.
Thank you.

[Mstr Caution]

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/4...-aircraft.html

In a letter to employees on Friday, Robert Isom, chief operating officer, wrote that "USAPA has embarked upon a smear campaign that in reality is all about contract negotiations, not safety.

Interesting thread, do airline CEO's have a "playbook" of standard quotes?

[ejectx3]

thankyou for posting

[teresa green]

Great blast from the head of the Transport Union tonight on Agenda, as he stuck it right up Clifford. Good lad that.

[Mstr Caution]

Just prior to pushback is the perfect time to deliver the scripted PA.

As it's immediately followed by the safety demo with John Travolta declaring that's there's nobody he'd rather have at the controls than a Qantas Pilot.

[ejectx3]

Any way we can see/listen to agenda?

[SpannerTwister]

Heard it said that (1) the FA's have been told that they must ring HQ and "dob in" any pilot making these announcements and (2) as a result the pilots have stopped making them.

Any truth in these rumours ?

(I'd hope not )

ST

[slim]

Spanner, (1) CSM's have been encouraged to report any 'non-standard PA's' from the flight deck to help the company manage 'customer recovery' should a complaint be made. (2) Definately not.

[Keg]

BWAHAHAHAHA. Nope. Definitely not true- at least the bit about pilots not doing it anymore.

The F/As have certainly had a few bits of comms from the company requesting information but I'm not 100% sure about when/ what they were supposed to report.

As to that causing me to stop making the PA? Pfft. Apart from the bizzo about the web site, the PA itself isn't that different to other PAs that I've made over the years.

I made mine just after we pulled onto the gate so it was the last thing the pax would hear before they disembarked. Perhaps prior to push back is going to be the best place.

(Two in together)

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[ACT Crusader]

Teresa - Clifford wasn't the only one on Sheldon's warpath in that interview...

Ejectx - I don't think you can watch the Aust Agenda show "on demand", but I'll post a copy of the transcript soon

[QueenBuzzzzz]

I'm an FA and have just returned from 2 L/H flights where the PA was not given. Is it optional, and if so, won't that dilute the point behind it? We had several FF waiting (and wanting) it.

[assasin8]

The details of the PA were only posted to the pilots late last week, so that nobody started making them early... You'll most likely find that once the PA cards are received, they'll be used!

By the way, the pilots' PA directs the passengers to visit this website,
http://qantaspilots.com.au/ which sets the record straight about what the industrial action is all about...

[planedriver]

Heard 'the' PA today pre pushback- short and precise and certainly non instrusive