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good one Wally Mk2... but perhaps there is a good chance that those that make the laws are listening, watching and growing tired of the coporate greed...
hopefully they will and can do something before it is too late, that or AIrcraft manufacturers make airbags in the backs of the PAX seats...
hopefully they will and can do something before it is too late, that or AIrcraft manufacturers make airbags in the backs of the PAX seats...
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I trust that all QF pilots only drive Australian made cars, drink only Oz wine and beer, take their holidays only in Australia to be consistent with their position...
Come TBM everyone around the world knows QF pilots spend their hard earned driving the latest Mercs, Audis and Beamers, drink Dom P, and leisure on the French Riviera....
indeed but only if the company pays for themmmm
indeed but only if the company pays for themmmm
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TBM tosser, we pay bucket loads of personal tax in Australia and I drive an Aussie built car. What do you drive on the executive lease plan. A Hyundai?
Word is that Ms Worth has instructed ground staff to blame all delays on industrial action due to the pilots and engineers PIA. My actions and those of many of my fellow pilots protects the schedule. Bloody clowns.
Word is that Ms Worth has instructed ground staff to blame all delays on industrial action due to the pilots and engineers PIA. My actions and those of many of my fellow pilots protects the schedule. Bloody clowns.
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
I trust that all QF pilots only drive Australian made cars, drink only Oz wine and beer, take their holidays only in Australia to be consistent with their position...
I'm deeply concerned for our jobs, and I try to "buy Australian" if I can. But sometimes I can't, or the Australian product simply doesn't suit my needs, or any of a hundred other possible reasons. It's something you have to deal with and it doesn't negate the value of any other position you hold on "offshoring" an entire Australian industry. So enough of this argument, eh? You're at least the second person to make it on this forum, and it's still equally ridiculous as the first time.
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It's what AJ DOESN'T say that is most compelling:
Singapore airlines (and others like Cathay, Emirates, Malaysian, ANZ, American, United, Delta, Virgin Australia,Air France,BA)operates an ever increasing fleet of MODERN and FUEL EFFICIENT B777's. The 777 uses 30% less fuel than a 747-400 over the same distance. Because they are newer, they also have LOWER maintenance costs, and have BETTER in flight comforts for the passengers.
As they are also SMALLER, the crew will get paid less $$$$... but still inline with the formula that AIPA and QF have agreed upon for the last 40 odd years.
Did he also mention that he, AJ, gets paid SIGNIFICANTLY above what the other CEO's of these airlines get paid? and not just him, his whole executive team.
Why do these execs focus on cutting the cost which is 30% of the total cost, and not focus on the cost which is 70% of the cost?
When he mentions "Labour" .... he includes the management team and its bonuses. IF you were to take pilots wages as a TOTAL cost of running the airline, you would find that it is probably only 5% of the total cost.
I am NOT in management, and never have been, but even I know that to make money, you have to spend money.
the carrier's costs are 25% above its competitors such as Singapore Airlines
As they are also SMALLER, the crew will get paid less $$$$... but still inline with the formula that AIPA and QF have agreed upon for the last 40 odd years.
Did he also mention that he, AJ, gets paid SIGNIFICANTLY above what the other CEO's of these airlines get paid? and not just him, his whole executive team.
Why do these execs focus on cutting the cost which is 30% of the total cost, and not focus on the cost which is 70% of the cost?
When he mentions "Labour" .... he includes the management team and its bonuses. IF you were to take pilots wages as a TOTAL cost of running the airline, you would find that it is probably only 5% of the total cost.
I am NOT in management, and never have been, but even I know that to make money, you have to spend money.
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Today's AIPA Media Release
‘Proud of our airline’: Qantas pilot in-flight announcements commence
Qantas pilots have today commenced brief and positive in-flight announcements as part of their campaign for a Qantas flight/Qantas pilot clause in their new agreement.
Although each pilot will personalise the message to some extent, the approximately 25 second announcement will be roughly as follows:
Ladies and gentlemen, this is (insert rank and name), together with (all participating crew) may I briefly have your attention.
On behalf of all Qantas pilots we would like to thank you for choosing to fly with Qantas. We are proud of our profession and our airline and trust you will support us in keeping Qantas pilots in Qantas aircraft and ensuring our great iconic airline remains uniquely Australian.
For more information and to register your support, please make your next destination qantaspilots.com.au.
Thank you.
Australian and International Pilots Association Vice President Richard Woodward, said the aim was to make passengers aware of why Qantas pilots are engaged in a dispute with management for the first time 45 years.
"The aim of the announcement is not to argue any point to passengers, it is to gently remind them that Qantas pilots are currently fighting to stay in the cockpit of Qantas flights,
"If they wish to find out more or support our campaign then they can visit our website, qantaspilots.com.au," Captain Woodward said.
"We’re not trying to ram any particular point home here, because when Qantas passengers find out what management is trying to do they typically decide for themselves that it is out of step with what they want from their airline."
"Quite simply, Qantas passengers do not want to see their Australian Qantas pilots replaced on Qantas flights with outsourced alternatives working to Asian conditions and standards.
"We hope that this action spreads awareness of what management is up to and puts pressure on them to reconsider."
Out of interest, is this brief message being used as a substitute for any other routine announcement made by pilots?
‘Proud of our airline’: Qantas pilot in-flight announcements commence
Qantas pilots have today commenced brief and positive in-flight announcements as part of their campaign for a Qantas flight/Qantas pilot clause in their new agreement.
Although each pilot will personalise the message to some extent, the approximately 25 second announcement will be roughly as follows:
Ladies and gentlemen, this is (insert rank and name), together with (all participating crew) may I briefly have your attention.
On behalf of all Qantas pilots we would like to thank you for choosing to fly with Qantas. We are proud of our profession and our airline and trust you will support us in keeping Qantas pilots in Qantas aircraft and ensuring our great iconic airline remains uniquely Australian.
For more information and to register your support, please make your next destination qantaspilots.com.au.
Thank you.
Australian and International Pilots Association Vice President Richard Woodward, said the aim was to make passengers aware of why Qantas pilots are engaged in a dispute with management for the first time 45 years.
"The aim of the announcement is not to argue any point to passengers, it is to gently remind them that Qantas pilots are currently fighting to stay in the cockpit of Qantas flights,
"If they wish to find out more or support our campaign then they can visit our website, qantaspilots.com.au," Captain Woodward said.
"We’re not trying to ram any particular point home here, because when Qantas passengers find out what management is trying to do they typically decide for themselves that it is out of step with what they want from their airline."
"Quite simply, Qantas passengers do not want to see their Australian Qantas pilots replaced on Qantas flights with outsourced alternatives working to Asian conditions and standards.
"We hope that this action spreads awareness of what management is up to and puts pressure on them to reconsider."
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was told that the CC were directed at their briefing not to acknowledge or comment or respond to any questions/statements by pax in connection with the announcement.
Understand that they were told to say
"I'm sorry I don't know anything"
I wonder what the CC & their Union feels about Q making them seem like brainless muffin sellers?
Bit sad eh
AT
Understand that they were told to say
"I'm sorry I don't know anything"
I wonder what the CC & their Union feels about Q making them seem like brainless muffin sellers?
Bit sad eh
AT
AIPA and ALAEA people please listen.
You are not getting your message out to the great un washed. All I hear on the news is from that silly woman "Qantas Pilots want all JQ and QF Pilots paid the same, this not sustainable, airfares would rise,people will lose jobs and we will shut down ops blah blah etc etc……."
No word is heard from the Unions refuting this claim or giving out real data proving this is all BS.
You are not being heard, QF management are getting all the sound bites.
For goodness sake STEP IT UP.
You are not getting your message out to the great un washed. All I hear on the news is from that silly woman "Qantas Pilots want all JQ and QF Pilots paid the same, this not sustainable, airfares would rise,people will lose jobs and we will shut down ops blah blah etc etc……."
No word is heard from the Unions refuting this claim or giving out real data proving this is all BS.
You are not being heard, QF management are getting all the sound bites.
For goodness sake STEP IT UP.
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NP...I agree !!
Apart from Ben Sandilands and Crikey! no-one else wants to listen to us .......
AJ.......
"Hi, I'm AJ and I want to spend a zillion dollars advertising my product with your media outlet, but I'm not comfortable spending that amount of money at a time when my company might be receiving negative reports in your media".
Media Editor....
"Hi, I'm the editor, and as a fiercely independent media outlet we publish everything WE CONSIDER to be "news-worthy". Let me give you an example Mr J....If the CEO of one of Australia's biggest companies says something, we would consider that news-worthy and publish it. On the other hand, Australia has hundreds of unions with thousands of union-officials, releasing tens-of-thousands of media releases, we cannot possibly publish all of those media releases, and even if we did, I cannot possibly envisage how they would be important enough to be in the first 20 pages (10 minutes) of our papers (shows)...nudge-nudge-wink-wink.........."
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Apart from Ben Sandilands and Crikey! no-one else wants to listen to us .......
AJ.......
"Hi, I'm AJ and I want to spend a zillion dollars advertising my product with your media outlet, but I'm not comfortable spending that amount of money at a time when my company might be receiving negative reports in your media".
Media Editor....
"Hi, I'm the editor, and as a fiercely independent media outlet we publish everything WE CONSIDER to be "news-worthy". Let me give you an example Mr J....If the CEO of one of Australia's biggest companies says something, we would consider that news-worthy and publish it. On the other hand, Australia has hundreds of unions with thousands of union-officials, releasing tens-of-thousands of media releases, we cannot possibly publish all of those media releases, and even if we did, I cannot possibly envisage how they would be important enough to be in the first 20 pages (10 minutes) of our papers (shows)...nudge-nudge-wink-wink.........."
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I agree, step it up.
Even on channel 10 news this morning, their intro was "Qantas pilots will be interrupting passengers entertainment to make PA's" and "Qantas management are 'disppointed' over this action by pilots." Where are the pilot reps??
Even on channel 10 news this morning, their intro was "Qantas pilots will be interrupting passengers entertainment to make PA's" and "Qantas management are 'disppointed' over this action by pilots." Where are the pilot reps??
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I share many of the frustrations here, but I think you have to be a little circumspect.
The media are just regurgitating the garbage a very well resourced QF media relations department spin to them. They don't see it as their job to do a forensic investigation of the facts anymore (those good ol' days are long gone, for the most part).
The only people who will really care about being "interrupted" during their entertainment will be passengers. Those same passengers will be pleasantly surprised when the PA is made, but it doesn't actually say anything hugely controversial or interrupt anything, least of all their entertainment. Those same passengers then go on to being a bit miffed at Qantas for lying to them, and will likely tell their friends about it too. Once a lie or two is exposed, they get to the point where they don't believe anything Alan Joyce or Olivia Wirth spin to them anymore.
This is where Qantas, in feeding crap to the media, can come unglued. Sure, it's only a personal opinion, but I don't think Qantas are as far ahead in the PR game as people like to think they are (or at least, not for long).
As far as the cabin crew go, I wouldn't expect too many problems. If there is one thing which can unite tech and cabin crew, it is a seething distrust of Joyce and management cronies (yeah, you know who you are, don't you?
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The media are just regurgitating the garbage a very well resourced QF media relations department spin to them. They don't see it as their job to do a forensic investigation of the facts anymore (those good ol' days are long gone, for the most part).
The only people who will really care about being "interrupted" during their entertainment will be passengers. Those same passengers will be pleasantly surprised when the PA is made, but it doesn't actually say anything hugely controversial or interrupt anything, least of all their entertainment. Those same passengers then go on to being a bit miffed at Qantas for lying to them, and will likely tell their friends about it too. Once a lie or two is exposed, they get to the point where they don't believe anything Alan Joyce or Olivia Wirth spin to them anymore.
This is where Qantas, in feeding crap to the media, can come unglued. Sure, it's only a personal opinion, but I don't think Qantas are as far ahead in the PR game as people like to think they are (or at least, not for long).
As far as the cabin crew go, I wouldn't expect too many problems. If there is one thing which can unite tech and cabin crew, it is a seething distrust of Joyce and management cronies (yeah, you know who you are, don't you?
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That PA is perhaps the 'weakest' from of industrial action I have every heard of. What is the next plan, I am not overly familiar with Australian Employment Law, does further action require another ballot??
Passengers are just going to either ignore such a PA or complain about being disturbed by it. I can almost guarantee that the majority of the population don't give a sh*t about Qantas Pilot for Qantas Aircraft, they just want the cheapest fare. The same as we all want the cheapest goods when we shop around. The best way to spark a good public interest in whats going on is to park up a few aircraft.
Passengers are just going to either ignore such a PA or complain about being disturbed by it. I can almost guarantee that the majority of the population don't give a sh*t about Qantas Pilot for Qantas Aircraft, they just want the cheapest fare. The same as we all want the cheapest goods when we shop around. The best way to spark a good public interest in whats going on is to park up a few aircraft.
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Nice enough message by the crew , I can't imagine anyone getting too upset with it . But , how does it further the cause ? make you seem nice guys ? Yes , convince QF management to back off ? I don't think so.
Guys , the clock is ticking if you don't want to join the guys who worked in the Engine Shop , on the outside looking in , then step up and get fair dinkum .
Guys , the clock is ticking if you don't want to join the guys who worked in the Engine Shop , on the outside looking in , then step up and get fair dinkum .
Nunc est bibendum
This is a marathon, not a sprint. There is an image to be crafted here. the PAs are the first step in that. No need to go all '89 right from the start! 
Personally I'm quite pleased at the strategy. It's conservative, it keeps our options open and it's doing our best to keep the passengers on side in the short term.
No. As long as everything we've previously voted on is 'enacted' within a month of the vote being proclaimed, no further vote is required. There will be a couple of pilots engaging in limited stop works so that we have those options up our sleeves for all pilots if things haven't progressed in the next couple of months.
Perhaps. It's not that different from some of the PAs that some of us have been making over the last couple of years anyway. Apart from the web site reference it's not that different to any other announcement. If they ignore it then so be it. If they complain about it they can do that to my face at the door as they get off. There will be some who pay attention and many who support us.
The research that has been conducted over the last 6 months or so would suggest otherwise. It actually rates quite highly- somewhere north of 75% if I recall correctly.
Personally I'm quite pleased at the strategy. It's conservative, it keeps our options open and it's doing our best to keep the passengers on side in the short term.
... does further action require another ballot??
Passengers are just going to either ignore such a PA or complain about being disturbed by it.
I can almost guarantee that the majority of the population don't give a sh*t about Qantas Pilot for Qantas Aircraft....