where are Allan and Bruce?
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where are Allan and Bruce?
where is Wally and Wally?
A low cost carrier grounded over numerous discrepancies and no defence of the LOW COST MODEL.
Didn't Bruce allude to outsourcing of many things as "World's Best Practice" ? Whilst in house training at Qantas may be as Joyce says a "cultural thing" is it a good thing to outsource? It may come to be that trying to save a dollar sacrificed more than they ever gained.... as a business. Low price airfares are simply not sustainable, something must give.
The problem we have in the modern Australia is that 'operational specialists' have been marginalised, replaced by well drilled graduates who know the price of everything, but the cost of nothing. It may work with widgets, but it didn't work with NASA, it doesn't work with hospitals and it certainly doesn't work with airlines.
Anyone wanting to read and see where "commercial pressure" led NASA ought read "The Normalization of Deviance-The Challenger Launch Decision"
A low cost carrier grounded over numerous discrepancies and no defence of the LOW COST MODEL.
Didn't Bruce allude to outsourcing of many things as "World's Best Practice" ? Whilst in house training at Qantas may be as Joyce says a "cultural thing" is it a good thing to outsource? It may come to be that trying to save a dollar sacrificed more than they ever gained.... as a business. Low price airfares are simply not sustainable, something must give.
The problem we have in the modern Australia is that 'operational specialists' have been marginalised, replaced by well drilled graduates who know the price of everything, but the cost of nothing. It may work with widgets, but it didn't work with NASA, it doesn't work with hospitals and it certainly doesn't work with airlines.
Anyone wanting to read and see where "commercial pressure" led NASA ought read "The Normalization of Deviance-The Challenger Launch Decision"
short flights long nights
well said QF.....I hope (though I doubt it) the end of LCC is in sight
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Have heard rumors suggesting that CASA have grounded six Jetstar A320's due 'maintenance issues' along the lines of checks due not being done.
Perhaps AJ and BB are using the cover of the current tiger fiasco to divert media attention away from what they have been getting up to within their own organizations?
Anybody able to confirm above rumor re: grounded A320's?
Perhaps AJ and BB are using the cover of the current tiger fiasco to divert media attention away from what they have been getting up to within their own organizations?
Anybody able to confirm above rumor re: grounded A320's?
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Where did you hear that rumour? Why you were walking through your Flight Simulator terminal, about to board your Flight Simulator aircraft where you are the Captain on a Ultra Long Haul flight to some exotic destination where some hot flight attendant throws herself at you and then...... you woke up and realised where your hand was.
If CASA grounded over 10% of an airlines fleet it would be more well known then in your make believe world.
Errr, NO. It clearly states that Jetstar grounded their own aircraft. Absolutely no mention of, or any involvement from CASA. Sounds more like a proactive response from an airline that puts safety ahead schedule.
And in over 40 years of living, humble is something I have never been accused of. As for an apology, I shouldn`t have called him a clown. there was nothing funny that he wrote.
If CASA grounded over 10% of an airlines fleet it would be more well known then in your make believe world.
Errr, NO. It clearly states that Jetstar grounded their own aircraft. Absolutely no mention of, or any involvement from CASA. Sounds more like a proactive response from an airline that puts safety ahead schedule.
And in over 40 years of living, humble is something I have never been accused of. As for an apology, I shouldn`t have called him a clown. there was nothing funny that he wrote.
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Proves that Mum's are correct when they say "Think before you speak (type)"
and "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"
Great stuff!!!
(It's nice to be important, but it's important to be nice
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and "if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"
Great stuff!!!
(It's nice to be important, but it's important to be nice
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Metro it is human to err and divine to hold your hand up and admit to a stuff up.
He said it was "rumoured that CASA" had grounded those a/c, maybe J* pre empted them, I'm sure more will come out later today.
Hahahahaha, I too have not seen better job of foot in mouth for ages.
He said it was "rumoured that CASA" had grounded those a/c, maybe J* pre empted them, I'm sure more will come out later today.
Hahahahaha, I too have not seen better job of foot in mouth for ages.
Bens story has vaporised!
Here's the content, cached on my pc -
Jetstar grounds six jets, flights in chaos
July 8, 2011 – 10:18 am, by Ben Sandilands
Jetstar has grounded five A320s and one A321 apparently because of maintenance issues.
There are reports via Twitter by affected passengers of a total shambles at airports served by the carrier.
Just added
There are some angry tweets in the twitterverse this morning concerning Jetstar flight delays and a lack of information as to the cause, and there are claims being made that Jetstar had grounded six of its single aisle jets which Jetstar has categorically denied.
If this matter can be cleared up this post will be updated. Otherwise, its Friday, and let’s hope your flights are on time
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That link is dead. How about another one?
Maybe Sandilands has retracted something
Oh wait, hes just published this Some confusion at Jetstar this morning | Plane Talking
Maybe Sandilands has retracted something
Oh wait, hes just published this Some confusion at Jetstar this morning | Plane Talking
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Just posted by Ben
Jetstar stuffs up, unstuffs, paperwork issues
July 8, 2011 – 11:21 am, by Ben Sandilands
Updated and re-titled
There are some angry tweets in the twitterverse this morning concerning Jetstar flight delays and a lack of information as to the cause, and there are claims being made that Jetstar had grounded six of its single aisle jets which Jetstar has categorically denied.
Plane Talking has been told* that Jetstar discovered yesterday that it had missed some maintenance inspection on six jets, five A320s and one A321, and set about satisfying this requirements, which could be fulfilled in a comparatively short period of time, with as little disruption to its operations as possible. However these inspections did cause some disruption.* The missed inspections were not what would be considered a serious or immediate threat to safety, but the fact that they were missed is unsatisfactory.
July 8, 2011 – 11:21 am, by Ben Sandilands
Updated and re-titled
There are some angry tweets in the twitterverse this morning concerning Jetstar flight delays and a lack of information as to the cause, and there are claims being made that Jetstar had grounded six of its single aisle jets which Jetstar has categorically denied.
Plane Talking has been told* that Jetstar discovered yesterday that it had missed some maintenance inspection on six jets, five A320s and one A321, and set about satisfying this requirements, which could be fulfilled in a comparatively short period of time, with as little disruption to its operations as possible. However these inspections did cause some disruption.* The missed inspections were not what would be considered a serious or immediate threat to safety, but the fact that they were missed is unsatisfactory.
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But of cause there was no safety issue (as usual) 
(Sarcasm!! people)
(Sarcasm!! people)
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A missed inspection is a fairly large safety issue isn't it?
We aren't talking about missing a cars yearly service here, the aviation industry has agreed (for better or worse) that checks must be carried out at x times otherwise the aircraft could have a wing fall off at x.1 hours. We all know it's not the case, but isn't the point of RPT to avoid these GA style mistakes?
We aren't talking about missing a cars yearly service here, the aviation industry has agreed (for better or worse) that checks must be carried out at x times otherwise the aircraft could have a wing fall off at x.1 hours. We all know it's not the case, but isn't the point of RPT to avoid these GA style mistakes?
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Of course there was a risk to safety, albeit minor. It is when the system does not proactively find and fix such errors that it becomes an airworthiness concern. Not saying that is the case here, and reporting such incidents to CASA is a good sign. The spin of "no risk to safety" however is unprofessional and shows the disconnect between operations and the companies PR people.
more like a proactive response from an airline that puts safety ahead schedule.
I shouldn`t have called him a clown. there was nothing funny that he wrote
Bogan Air publish a schedule, but thats about it. It certainly doesn't reflect the times they come and go!
Safety first, what absolute garbage. $$$$ before safety and who cares about a schedule once the suckers have a ticket. They can wait
