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Old 7th Aug 2011, 22:07
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It is blatantly obvious that the Execs want to take the Rat offshore and avoid paying Oz tax, Oz workers etc etc.

What they don't realise (or care) is they cannot be the Oz iconic brand and do what they are planning.

Somehow they have to get this message, although I suspect that will only happen when they are abandoned en masse by the travelling public when it happens.

The vultures are already circling and just waiting for the right time to move and expect Singapore to be upfront and centre very soon and Southern China not far behind.

The staff are just pawns in this game and largely powerless, save that they have little to lose at this time.
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Old 7th Aug 2011, 22:25
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Reality time....

Enough of this snivelling. This is what is going to happen on August 24.

Qantas will reveal it's plans to move the company forward, some of these plans will not be popular, especially with certain disgruntled groups within this fine company. I am talking about the sooks in engineering as well as most pilots who have become stale and underperforming.

Recent posts about ego maniac captains coming EP training and disrupting classes with their own pathetic rants about things that don't concern them come to mind, proving that many in qantas put themselves before the company. There may be sackings....there are sackings in every other industry, you are not immune. Live with it.

Every one of you walked into a job interview and sold your self to win a position with qantas. You wanted this more than anything else on earth. Now, you spend your generous free time trying to pull down this company at every chance. Pathetic spoiled children.

Be a team player or go play somewhere else.
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Old 7th Aug 2011, 22:34
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Take one for the team V2? What your saying is I should loose my job so that AJ and the board can continue on the kpi bonus track?

I'll have a think about that and get back to you.
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Old 7th Aug 2011, 23:02
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Some also seem to forget that managers are paid to manage the company and to avoid crisis by constantly assessing and reassessing performance and options.

Corporate tsunamis don't happen overnight.

Its also very hard to digest the current situation when there was little attempt to negotiate an acceptable outcome by the responsible Execs.

In my experience, credible management also avoid the traps of deceptions, lies and misrepresentations at their peril.
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Old 7th Aug 2011, 23:17
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Victor Two,

ego maniac captains coming EP training and disrupting classes with their own pathetic rants
You have obviously not spoken to either of the people involved, anyone who was present, or read any of the witness statements from the event. Therefore you are uninformed and should pull your head back in.

Every one of you walked into a job interview and sold your self to win a position with qantas. You wanted this more than anything else on earth. Now, you spend your generous free time trying to pull down this company at every chance. Pathetic spoiled children.
If you think for one moment that there is a single pilot working for Qantas who does not want this company to succeed then you are very, very wrong. Qantas pilots disagree fundamentally with the direction that management want to take this company because they do not believe that it is in the best interests of Qantas!

Pilot's are acutely aware that currently their future is tied to the future of Qantas and are willing to fight to keep this outfit uniquely Australian, because it will get eaten for breakfast and spat out for lunch in Asia!
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Old 7th Aug 2011, 23:30
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Don't feed it
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Old 8th Aug 2011, 00:35
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You might find that this is all overtaken by world economic events with job losses industry wide on a massive scale not out of the question.
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With regard to the Australian Aviation article, it does prove a leopard can change it's spots when it suits. In a previous life, someone went to great pains to have their name stamped over the brilliant creation of Jetstar (with due disregard to mainline and mainline staff).

The current comments are more marketing spin than anything else. QF is in a bind with engagement and offshoring. What else would a competitor do but play it up as much as possible at every opportunity.

Having said that, I know who I'd much rather have in charge of QF, but all these guys are painted to some extent with the same brush. Ie an overriding belief in themselves.
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Old 8th Aug 2011, 02:21
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Victor 2,

So get off your high horse you megalomaniac git and come talk to your staff...oh there is an idea, talk to your staff!!!!!
All IMO
This troll will follow his greedy leaders blindly: straight to Centrelink.
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Victor two,
Well done on your two minutes of fame, good on you! Are you available for stand up comedy or do you only perform at kids parties?
What a complete wind-up by a complete nut Job. Or maybe it is actually BB on day release from the asylum!!
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Old 8th Aug 2011, 06:03
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See V2 for what they are

Qantas is paying you good money to run interference, V2. They deserve better. Lift your game.
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Old 8th Aug 2011, 06:34
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Sad

I am talking about the sooks in engineering as well as most pilots who have become stale and under-performing.
Wow, obviously victor two has had a bad day at the office, must have missed his bonus target.
Be a team player or go play somewhere else.
Then he finishes his rant with this. Who's the spoiled child here? Pilots are continually checked for proficiency throughout their careers just to hold their jobs, too bad some of the managers aren't checked the same way, I bet this one would fail, no people skills, the endemic problem with this current Q management lot. I wonder how Vicky Two would feel if he/she was offered a job in Manila with no option of staying in his Australian home city?
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Old 8th Aug 2011, 07:39
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Classic!!

Either a management stooge or some twit who couldn't make it through psych & skills....

Might be the 'man' himself!!!
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Old 8th Aug 2011, 07:48
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Dont get me wrong I think that JB is doing great things for Virgin. But a couple of things from that article are a bit odd:

and it is therefore our duty... to ensure that we do as much work onshore as possible in Australia."
The same bloke was two-IC of QF when the creation of the LHR,AKL and BKK cabin crew bases. He even was the 'star guest' at the opening of the LHR cabin crew base.

there is nobody in the airline, not management, not anybody, who knows more about the business than the pilots and the cabin crew
He was also at there when cabin crew management was restructured to replace operational crew management(Line Managers) with managers off the street,who mostly had no airline experience,let alone QF experience.

I always say that you forget the customer at your peril. in any deal that you do
He also happened to be at there when on-board cabin crew numbers were slashed,the product (particularly domestic)was slashed,and the decision not to get the 777 was made.

Great to see that he is making positive publicity for himself against the same things he led the introduction of at QF
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It is only because it is a quiet day that I bothered to waste my time reading V2's posting history.

Based on his command of the english language, I don't think that he is in QF management. Or any management for that matter. He will protest that, but who cares ?
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Old 8th Aug 2011, 08:11
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Too little too late, No useful PIA, No educating of the media or public - media still pushing the greedy pilot senario(Herald sun today page 13) AIPA 6 months behind the game, the only ones who don't know the game is over is the LH pilots. You only have yourselves to blame - you learnt nothing from 89.
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Cart Elevator - doesn't that just indicate he has possibly learned from the mistakes at QANTAS ? That he has maybe realized in hindsight that those examples were not the right way to do things ?
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Old 8th Aug 2011, 12:48
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Cart Elevator - maybe it also indicates that the guy had no pull at all when it came to Qantas International and Domestic for that matter. GD and PG had the control and then they came up with J* and that was their priority.

They pulled out of the Goldie and left all meetings, conferences and convention attendees move over to J* or VB, these people were happy to fly on the full service airline and even though not many seats per flight, QF also had J class.

Now JB has filled the gap:
At a media conference at the Gold Coast Airport, Virgin Australia Chief Executive and Managing Director John Borghetti announced the introduction of Business Class services to the Gold Coast* and a new luxury lounge with Queensland Minister for Tourism Manufacturing and Small Business, State Member for Whitsunday, The Honourable Jan Jarratt.

Mr. Borghetti stated that Virgin Australia would be the only airline to offer domestic Business Class services to the Gold Coast and the first for more than seven years.

“The Gold Coast is an important city in the Virgin Australia network. We carry almost one million corporate and leisure Guests each year.

“With the introduction of Business Class services by the last quarter of 2011 and the opening of our new lounge in early 2012, Virgin Australia is proudly responding to the tourism and the business sectors of the Gold Coast and South-east Queensland region,” he said.
Virgin Australia launches business class services to the Gold Coast - Airline News - etravelblackboard.com
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Old 9th Aug 2011, 01:27
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Just watch QF jump on the bandwagon now.

The inevitable price war will drive down prices and profits for both airlines.

If QF mainline stayed in the market, offering a mixed class service focussing on the business travel component of Australia's largest non-capital-city market, they could've retained corporate customer loyalty and enjoyed some half decent revenues for the last 7 years.

Instead, locals tell me the Gold Coast business community are filthy with QF for pulling out, forcing them onto JQ. Give them a taste of Virgin's half-decent product and they'll never be back. Brand loyalty wasted, the vast majority to never return even IF the Red Rat rejoined the fray.
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Old 9th Aug 2011, 04:21
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The blatant destruction of Qantas by management and the vitriolic dross spouted by their trolls here on this forum provides a good reason to consider the reintroduction of public stonings!
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