Alan Joyce Chief Executive Qantas June 22/6/11 Address to the National Press Club"
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BB must be so proud to see his little airline growing. And the under $100 and $50 fares must certainly be adding a quality return to the coffers.
JETSTAR is celebrating its seventh birthday with a two-for-one sale that allows customers to take a friend free. Jetstar says it has sold more then 90 million seats in seven years, including 32 million for under $100 and 6 million for under $50.
AJ and the whole board are delusional
Ruprecht, I know that is clearly the intention of Oldmeadow and exco.
The problem this time I think is that they've overplayed their hand. So many staff are so pissed off at the moment they frankly no longer give a rat's. We are at the stage where we are willing to do whatever it takes to make life as difficult as possible for exco over the next few months and consequences be damned.
Seems to be nothing left to lose my friend.
The problem this time I think is that they've overplayed their hand. So many staff are so pissed off at the moment they frankly no longer give a rat's. We are at the stage where we are willing to do whatever it takes to make life as difficult as possible for exco over the next few months and consequences be damned.
Seems to be nothing left to lose my friend.
Everyone,
Support AIPA, they are our voice, with unity we might just survive this very dark chapter in Qantas history.
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You're not convincing us.....
Disappointing to hear Alan Joyce make a quote directly from Rod Eddington in his speech exclaiming that....
"Qantas is a great airline but a poor business".
He just embellished Eddington's speech by substituting the name "Ansett" for "Qantas" in the same statement.
Got anything original for us to work with Al?
"Qantas is a great airline but a poor business".
He just embellished Eddington's speech by substituting the name "Ansett" for "Qantas" in the same statement.
Got anything original for us to work with Al?
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I personally think that Joyce is doing a fantastic job of keeping qantas profitable and competitive in a time of massive challenges. Instead of this mindless complaining and bleating, none of which is supported with rational argument, You blubbering cry babies, and i am talking about both aircrew and those teary eyed dropkicks in engineering, should collectively pucker up and kiss his Irish backside for keeping you in a secure job as half of you would be unemployable anywhere else! Seriously, you would be at macdonalds serving burgers or driving cabs for an Indian boss if he was a lesser manager. Get over yourselves!
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I personally think that Joyce is doing a fantastic job of keeping qantas profitable and competitive in a time of massive challenges. Instead of this mindless complaining and bleating, none of which is supported with rational argument, You blubbering cry babies, and i am talking about both aircrew and those teary eyed dropkicks in engineering, should collectively pucker up and kiss his Irish backside for keeping you in a secure job as half of you would be unemployable anywhere else! Seriously, you would be at macdonalds serving burgers or driving cabs for an Indian boss if he was a lesser manager. Get over yourselves!
So Qantas International has only earned an acceptable return for Three out of the last Fifteen years according to Alan Joyce.....
...Yet the Board, at managements recommendation, decided to buy Twenty Airbus A380 to be operated by the loss making part of the airline???
..And continues to do so?
- If QF International was making a loss, I would cancel the orders for A380's right now and close the business.
Something smells about Joyces statements
...Yet the Board, at managements recommendation, decided to buy Twenty Airbus A380 to be operated by the loss making part of the airline???
..And continues to do so?
- If QF International was making a loss, I would cancel the orders for A380's right now and close the business.
Something smells about Joyces statements
If Qantas International has only made a profit 3 times in 15 years, and those profits aren't worth the losses in between ................;
Year 2010 less 15 years = 1995 according to my calculator, so a little searcing shows:
1997
By fiscal 1997, Qantas was solidly in the black, achieving net profits of AUD 252.7 million ($190.1 million) on revenues of AUD 7.83 billion ($5.89 billion).
2000
Net profit after tax of A$517.9 million, up A$97 million, (23%)
2001
Profit after tax of A$415.4 million, down A$101.9 million or 19.7%
2002
Net profit of A$428.0 million
2003
Profit before tax of A$502.3 million
2004
Net profit after tax of A$648.4 million
2005
Net profit after tax of $763.6 million
2006
Net profit after tax of A$480 million
profits are down 30 per cent to $479.5 million
2007
Net profit after tax of $720 million
2008 - A record profit
Net profit after tax of $970 million
2009
Net profit after tax of A$123 million
2010
Underlying Profit Before Tax (PBT) of $377 million
All those profits and only 3 times did 'International' contribute, is this little man telling little Irish lies?
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You and me both rep !
Dreams and inspirations have been wrecked very quickly, am no longer
interested in working for the sinking rat.
Better start packing my bags and taking skills and experience overseas away from this cesspool.
Anyone got that number for Truck Master ?
Dreams and inspirations have been wrecked very quickly, am no longer
interested in working for the sinking rat.
Better start packing my bags and taking skills and experience overseas away from this cesspool.
Anyone got that number for Truck Master ?
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If I were both of you I'd be applying to Qantas. This gormless fool wont be there much longer.
It wont be long before the institutions demand to see the books, they wont be complicit in spreading the lies to entice investors. His lies will filter into the public domain before too long.
It wont be long before the institutions demand to see the books, they wont be complicit in spreading the lies to entice investors. His lies will filter into the public domain before too long.
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Is the AIPA really pushing the job security clause to have Jetstar pilots the same as Qantas pilots?
No, not correct. My understanding is that they want Qantas Pilots to fly Qantas aircraft. That is the crux of the job security clause they want in their EBA.
Jetstar Pilots should also be asking for the same thing given what is happening with Asian based Jetstar crews flying an increasing amount of hours around Oz.
Don't believe anything that comes out of the mouth of Joyce, Buchanan, or Wirth. It's all just a sideshow to distract people from what they're really up to.
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That what I thought. But im pretty sure that AJ said that three times during his little press speech and the Q nA that followed.
Of course it makes the Aipa look out of touch by him saying that.
Of course it makes the Aipa look out of touch by him saying that.
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Is the AIPA really pushing the job security clause to have Jetstar pilots the same as Qantas pilots?
Are you sure? The people I talk to tell me that the claim says that all Qantas Group company pilots must be paid under their EBA or T & C's no less than that.
On the other hand all spruiking from the pilot's union is that a Qantas flight should be flown by a Qantas pilot. A Qantas flight is not always a Qantas aircraft. A Qantas codeshare on a Jetstar aircraft is a Qantas flight as are many others.
Is the AIPA really pushing the job security clause to have Jetstar pilots the same as Qantas pilots?
No, not correct. My understanding is that they want Qantas Pilots to fly Qantas aircraft. That is the crux of the job security clause they want in their EBA.
On the other hand all spruiking from the pilot's union is that a Qantas flight should be flown by a Qantas pilot. A Qantas flight is not always a Qantas aircraft. A Qantas codeshare on a Jetstar aircraft is a Qantas flight as are many others.
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The people you talk to are wrong.
You cannot dictate terms of other EBA's through your EBA. What you can determine is the rate at which the company employs people to do your job. In this case it is on terms no less than the current Qantas Pilots EBA. If it is no cheaper to try to undermine you by setting up external contracts like Jetconnect then why would you bother?
You cannot dictate terms of other EBA's through your EBA. What you can determine is the rate at which the company employs people to do your job. In this case it is on terms no less than the current Qantas Pilots EBA. If it is no cheaper to try to undermine you by setting up external contracts like Jetconnect then why would you bother?
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Is the AIPA really pushing the job security clause to have Jetstar pilots paid the same as Qantas pilots?
Therefore, if Qantas want to codeshare a flight with Jetstar, then the pilots of that flight should be paid Qantas T&Cs. If Qantas DO NOT codeshare on a Jetstar flight, the Jetstar pilots would be on their existing conditions. So the cliam is to essentially stop Qantas transferring more and more flights onto a Jetstar codeshare and effectively have people who have paid for a Qantas ticket being flown by pilots on Jetstar conditions.
Of course this doesn't suit the leprechaun and his cronies so he will misrepresent it whatever way that he can. Since the public have the attention span of a gnat, and the journalists have the intelligence of a house-brick, this point is being lost.
Sadly, it is easier for Qantas to present simple LIES through their paid-for media outlets than it is for AIPA to spread a more complicated truth!
Shark patrol should say codesharing with a group airline not external airlines like BA etc.. From what I understand is that the enforcement of this would be negotiable.
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Here is the actual claim:
Those with a sharp eye will note that C2 is missing, that is because some months ago AIPA took it upon themselves to significantly modify their own claim to remove C2 in its entirety. It was regarding the more contentious issue of codeshare flights and replacement flights. This is despite the fact that management refuses to even talk about this claim.
To me this demonstrates beyond any doubt that AIPA is showing incredible good faith in this negotiation. It is actually negotiating with itself on behalf of the company. Hardly the rouge kamikaze pilots living in cloud cuckoo land that Mr Joyce portrays.
Where is the good faith from Qantas?
c.1 All Qantas flights will be operated by Crew either:
(a) covered by this Agreement; or
(b) on terms and conditions no less favourable than if they had been covered by this Agreement.
c.3 c.1 does not apply to codeshare operations operated by entities that are not members of the Qantas Group provided that they are not undertaken by aircraft that display on their livery any of the following:
(i) The word 'Qantas'; or
(ii) All or part of the marks displayed at Schedule "C" to this agreement provided that minor or cosmetic changes to such marks will also apply.
c.4 For the purpose of this clause, terms and conditions are no less favourable if and only if:
(a) the relevant hourly rate paid is at least the same as the hourly rate payable under this Agreement; and
(b) persons engaged under this Agreement are not 'better off overall' within the meaning of that term in the Fair Work Act in comparison.
(a) covered by this Agreement; or
(b) on terms and conditions no less favourable than if they had been covered by this Agreement.
c.3 c.1 does not apply to codeshare operations operated by entities that are not members of the Qantas Group provided that they are not undertaken by aircraft that display on their livery any of the following:
(i) The word 'Qantas'; or
(ii) All or part of the marks displayed at Schedule "C" to this agreement provided that minor or cosmetic changes to such marks will also apply.
c.4 For the purpose of this clause, terms and conditions are no less favourable if and only if:
(a) the relevant hourly rate paid is at least the same as the hourly rate payable under this Agreement; and
(b) persons engaged under this Agreement are not 'better off overall' within the meaning of that term in the Fair Work Act in comparison.
To me this demonstrates beyond any doubt that AIPA is showing incredible good faith in this negotiation. It is actually negotiating with itself on behalf of the company. Hardly the rouge kamikaze pilots living in cloud cuckoo land that Mr Joyce portrays.
Where is the good faith from Qantas?