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Old 23rd Jun 2011, 06:03
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I guess that after 30 years in the business, I really don't understand the business. I don;t know so many are not prospering (aside from incompetent management). Anyone considering a ship journey Sydney to LA? New York to London? Train? Air travel is indespensible and it can't make money!
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Old 23rd Jun 2011, 06:22
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The Qantas Sale Act.
How to subvert it?
Just keep watching.

These people are filth.
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Old 23rd Jun 2011, 06:22
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$1.79


Sigh.

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Old 23rd Jun 2011, 07:04
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Another heavy day of trading. Nearly 20m shares. Someone is off loading and someone is buying and I would think that someone is going to have to declare an interest soon. Circa 300m shares changing hands month to date or about 13% of the issued shares.
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Old 23rd Jun 2011, 10:08
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I predict in the 1.60's within a month.
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 11:26
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Interesting AJ...

Good move, way to attack AIPA with the world watching.

AJ: Really, what did you "ANNOUNCE" ...??

NOTHING!! This was an announcement to announce that on Aug 24, he will make an announcement.

QF called for a trading halt, as then the whole fricken world will be watching his sob story that he is apparently losing money. This is a stage that AIPA can not fight on, which is very bloody sad.

This is QF warfare at it's best. It's time to vote yes, screw then for every single dollar and cent we can all drain out of their little slush fund. They do have deep pockets, but they dont want to lose money. So lets pressure them to a point that they threaten to close doors.

The lights are out if we sit on our hands. QF can't afford to fight for too long. They can't and they wont. They are calling our bluff. Now is time.
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 22:50
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The last two posts sound reasonable to me.
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Old 26th Jun 2011, 02:16
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Originally Posted by ultergra
Interesting AJ...
Originally Posted by ultergra
QF called for a trading halt, as then the whole fricken world will be watching his sob story that he is apparently losing money. This is a stage that AIPA can not fight on, which is very bloody sad.
Why not? Of course you can fight in this territory, AJ has raised the story now you can use it against him. Pilots earn too much – how much is the average pilot wage, what is the average pay of senior management as a comparison? How many useless positions are there? What are the loads the pilots cart around the world – i.e. demonstrate that if QF get rid of the hangers on then suddenly they become very profitable.

Pilots (and Engineers) are asking for too much – well, what HAVE their pay rises been? How does that compare to the Board and CEO? Management in general? Can’t talk for pilots but if the average Engineer is earning $150K then I’d be stunned and furthermore if the average cost centre related manager (i.e. those not directly involved in getting passengers moved who would be profit centre management) ISN’T earning at least $150K then I’d be double stunned. Frame the argument as a response to AJ’s BS and use it against him. But you MUST keep it short sharp and sweet, and (for the pilot rep) stop coming across as some pompous spoilt flyboy. Engage with people in general, don’t be all haughty and get everyone offside or you lose big time. You need support.

Originally Posted by ultergra
This is QF warfare at it's best. It's time to vote yes, screw then for every single dollar and cent we can all drain out of their little slush fund. They do have deep pockets, but they dont want to lose money. So lets pressure them to a point that they threaten to close doors.
Makes you as bad as them and you will lose any public support you have for your case with that approach (and rghtly so). You will give AJ exactly what he is looking for – a stick to beat you with. Ask for what you like but take something reasonable.
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Old 26th Jun 2011, 12:51
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Every time I go to work I either make money for the company or help mitigate loss. Can senior management say the same?
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Old 26th Jun 2011, 14:31
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Could it be the intention of senior management to run the share price into the ground so as to allow a "private" third party to takeover Qantas shares at minimum cost thereby defrauding the current shareholders the fair value of their shares?

Management could always blame intransigent and greedy union officials and workers for the failure of Qantas to remain competitive and thereby justify management's and the board's recommendation to the now poor shareholders to accept the takeover bid when it inevitably arrives...

Son of "Project Suzie" is coming back for revenge..?

Alas, all the other so called "issues" are a smoke screen for the real agenda.
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 02:22
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The share price is now less than what it was 15 years ago.
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 02:47
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Shareholders

The institutional shareholders must be ecstatic(not) unless of course they know something that we dont
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 02:59
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$1.805 this morning! Is that not a 10% decline in three weeks? Surely J P Morgan and HSBC are wondering where their investment is going?
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 04:35
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Qantas Limbo

.......how low can the share price go?
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 04:48
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when do the financiers start to question the debt to equity?
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 05:48
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Originally Posted by tail wheel
J P Morgan and HSBC are wondering where their investment is going?
. These Bullion banks are also Primary Dealers AKA "The Banksters". They are rarely on the "wrong" side of the trade. Their clients on the other hand...

No such worries for JP Morgan, which just reported that it lost money on exactly zero days in Q1, averaged $112 million in daily trading revenue and had 7 days in which the firm had trading profits of “more” than $160 million, including 2 days unbounded by an upper limit range.

Next, we expect Goldman and Citi to do the same. It is a good thing markets are not zero sum, or else someone may ask just who (or rather which taxpayer) is the loser to all these “trading perfection” days…
JP Morgan Banksters Report PERFECT Trading Quarter, Make $112 Million In Average Daily Trading Revenue

These banks have the best information, hence rarely ever lose money. Try this google search perfect trading quarter.

Is the game rigged? </rhetorical>
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 06:02
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Information from the Australian Stock Exchange floor is that rumours from PPROON is scaring the major investors.
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 06:33
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PPruNe's Clout ?

I think that was said with tongue in cheek.
If not then major investors should be requesting further information from the QF Chairman...if they can find him
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 06:59
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1.60 is my pick before an "injection" and strategy announcment

cmon someone has to go out on the limb and say it...
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 07:13
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Late buying today...could this be the turning point?


EDIT Just realised this graphic updates daily as the daily movement....

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