Future of Qantas in jeopardy: Joyce (Merged)
the board should have recognised the blokes potential and kept him on, not let him go to Virgin.
They did (keep him on) and they didn't (let him go to Virgin). JB resigned. How would they have kept him in the place if he didn't want to stay? Righly or wrongly, the board made a call, and now they have to live with it.
KB,
I believe it was more a case of Qantas made no effort to value his experience (does that sound familiar). Even though they passed on him for CEO and a small payrise and a nice pat on the back could have gone a long way.
I believe it was more a case of Qantas made no effort to value his experience (does that sound familiar). Even though they passed on him for CEO and a small payrise and a nice pat on the back could have gone a long way.
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McG,
You dreaming?? This is not the management style of these guys and certainly NOT small pay rises for anyone in the ranks that count.That would set a BAD precedent that may affect them, just ask any well paid consultant.
Suspect JB saw what was going to happen and chose a graceful exit knowing he would have the last laugh as the axe started swinging through the top..
You dreaming?? This is not the management style of these guys and certainly NOT small pay rises for anyone in the ranks that count.That would set a BAD precedent that may affect them, just ask any well paid consultant.
Suspect JB saw what was going to happen and chose a graceful exit knowing he would have the last laugh as the axe started swinging through the top..
Teresa m'dear
This is not the first time you have spoken longingly of a reunion of JB and Q.
Like many dreams, it is just that.
I have no idea what the arrangements are, but I would seriously doubt that JB would have been appointed on the basis that he could walk away anytime soon. Offer him the harbour bridge by all means, but the reality is, he is probably not able to accept.
Assuming that he was able to walk away from Virgin, why would he want too. A bit like a poor besotted fool crawling back to a lover that has kicked him in the nuts. Much better to let the bitch rot away. Especially as he has found someone else to cherish.
Whilst I don't think he is of the extreme ego driven breed that seems to predominate the upper management levels of Q, he must get a hell of a buzz out of watching AJ self destruct whilst he himself is seen to be building a worthwhile and viable airline, acting with compassion and integrity, and turning pretty good coin to boot.
Your time would be better invested dreaming of that big fish you have been after for years.
M
This is not the first time you have spoken longingly of a reunion of JB and Q.
Like many dreams, it is just that.
I have no idea what the arrangements are, but I would seriously doubt that JB would have been appointed on the basis that he could walk away anytime soon. Offer him the harbour bridge by all means, but the reality is, he is probably not able to accept.
Assuming that he was able to walk away from Virgin, why would he want too. A bit like a poor besotted fool crawling back to a lover that has kicked him in the nuts. Much better to let the bitch rot away. Especially as he has found someone else to cherish.
Whilst I don't think he is of the extreme ego driven breed that seems to predominate the upper management levels of Q, he must get a hell of a buzz out of watching AJ self destruct whilst he himself is seen to be building a worthwhile and viable airline, acting with compassion and integrity, and turning pretty good coin to boot.
Your time would be better invested dreaming of that big fish you have been after for years.
M
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...the board should have recognised the blokes potential and kept him on, not let him go to Virgin
Quite simple really. JB is a builder who value adds, joyce is a wrecker who only knows slash & burn.
The board couldn't do it via APA, joyce is their next best opton to achieve the same result.
He has only one thing to lose, his bonus. If he fails to kneecap the pilots and engineers he will not collect his precious bonus. Bonus or not, he will move on, (to the next disaster) and we are left to salvage what's left.
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Most new CEO's eliminate thjeir strongest competition as soon as they arrive. JB resigned but had no future in QF under a new CEO.
Lindeman was far too experienced ..he had the most corporate memory in the company. Once again uncomfortable for the new incumbent to have him around so made his position untenable by removing him from his US position and giving him nothing on return to Sydney.
Then the crocodile tears at both sendoffs. "how can we get along without you guys?"
Dog eats dog at that level.
Virgin profits from both moves.
Lindeman was far too experienced ..he had the most corporate memory in the company. Once again uncomfortable for the new incumbent to have him around so made his position untenable by removing him from his US position and giving him nothing on return to Sydney.
Then the crocodile tears at both sendoffs. "how can we get along without you guys?"
Dog eats dog at that level.
Virgin profits from both moves.
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Qantas Deprives Australia and Australians
Qantas is depriving Australians of a world class airline with a world class international network.Qantas continues to deprive Australians a choice of destinations by removing them.Qantas continues to deprive the mum and dad shareholders of not only a dividend but is also destroying their shareholder value.Qantas is denying Australian children the opportunity to work as pilots,cabin crew,engineers and ground staff by off shoring these positions.
The CEO is a foreign philistine who has no emotional connection with Australia or Qantas.This foreigner is provoking Australians into taking protected industrial action which is turn going to disrupt the travel plans of other Australians.
How on earth can Qantas insist "we still call Australia home" when it clearly is not?
Australians never used to tolerate such anti Australian behaviour.
Why are we tolerating it now?
Joyce,this foreigner, is set on destroying one of the few icons we have left in this country.Once Qantas is destroyed this stranger will leave,return to Ireland and take his ill gotten millions with him.
Do not let this happen!!!
The CEO is a foreign philistine who has no emotional connection with Australia or Qantas.This foreigner is provoking Australians into taking protected industrial action which is turn going to disrupt the travel plans of other Australians.
How on earth can Qantas insist "we still call Australia home" when it clearly is not?
Australians never used to tolerate such anti Australian behaviour.
Why are we tolerating it now?
Joyce,this foreigner, is set on destroying one of the few icons we have left in this country.Once Qantas is destroyed this stranger will leave,return to Ireland and take his ill gotten millions with him.
Do not let this happen!!!
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Mauri old chap, never say never, not about anything, if I have learnt nothing else, I have learnt that. Yes I am a Borgetti fan, I can think of nobody better to run QF. I suspect he will return. On his terms. He was shafted by the board, no doubt about that and he did what most of us would do, told em to get nicked. He's laughing.
Sorry to burst your bubble fishers, but I am an Aussie who works for a foreign airline. I have been positioning with QF on-and-off for over 20 years and unfortunately the product, particularly in the cabin, has not been 'world class' for most of that period. I won't bore you with the bad QF experiences I, my airline colleagues and my family have had over the years. There has been the occasional good experience, but not enough to outweigh the bad ones.
The 'world classness' of QF is a myth perpetuated by management, staff and shareholders. For many Aussies QF ceased being an 'icon' years ago.
The 'world classness' of QF is a myth perpetuated by management, staff and shareholders. For many Aussies QF ceased being an 'icon' years ago.
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Ozzies in general and QF in particular suffer from the " we are no. 1 " syndrome like many Americans and American institutions, very insular living in their make believe world of grandeur. Let QF collapse, restructure and hire internationally at competitive rates. Source globally and smartly, you will get the best of the world. The world is now a global village; stop thinking and behaving like marauding pirates with single eye vision.
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I can see all the Brisbane Taxi drivers and Telemarketers lining up to be the new faces at the coalface of "The Spirit Of Australia"..... some of your mates, Akali?
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trashy dinkum?
Cabbies, telemarketers.........all honestly making their living unlike some descendants of dacoits and convicts who robbed the real Aussies of their land and dignity.
you no wanting, sure you want!
you no wanting, sure you want!
Lindeman was far too experienced ..he had the most corporate memory in the company.
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At a recent Virgin staff meeting a question to Borgetthi was asked on what effect the situation at Qantas at the moment will have on Virgin.
His answer. "as long as Joyce is in charge it makes my job alot easier"
His answer. "as long as Joyce is in charge it makes my job alot easier"
Handbrake, the Crikey blog is free to read, and we should all read Ben's Bloggs as he has the most insight of any aviation writer at the moment:
Qantas under pressure from Cathay Pacific and investors | Plane Talking
Qantas under pressure from Cathay Pacific and investors | Plane Talking
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Cabbies, telemarketers.........all honestly making their living unlike some descendants of dacoits and convicts who robbed the real Aussies of their land and dignity. you no wanting, sure you want!
you no wanting, sure you want!
Perhaps they have a place in management!
Birdy Num Num.