Letter to Geoffrey Thomas (Aviation expert)
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Geez, that interview was balanced!
Surely, the fact that Jetstar sponsor Sunrise wouldn't affect their reporting...
Not one mention of the Job Security clause being the big sticking point for the company. As the company has stated, even if we agreed to a pay cut, they wouldn't sign off on the Job Security.
"Not happy Jan..."
Surely, the fact that Jetstar sponsor Sunrise wouldn't affect their reporting...
Not one mention of the Job Security clause being the big sticking point for the company. As the company has stated, even if we agreed to a pay cut, they wouldn't sign off on the Job Security.
"Not happy Jan..."
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Set up an account for making donations in order to put that letter in a full page ad in national newspapers. I along with most QF employees will donate to see it done.
I really want to contribute to the good work that could be done to undermine these idiots and tell the real truth to the public.
I really want to contribute to the good work that could be done to undermine these idiots and tell the real truth to the public.
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Geoff Thomas
Thanks for posting that clip Capn Bloggs, I hadn't seen it before.
I can honestly say I have never seen such a distorted, biased and factually incorrect view in relation to these negotiations than as was put by Geoff Thomas on that sunrise piece. Alan Joyce himself has more balance and factual correctness in his interviews than Geoff Thomas. If you were not aware that GT was presented as an 'Aviation Expert'you would have thought he was a QF spokesman arguing Qantas' case against the pilots and engineers.
In my opinion, either GT is ignorant of the facts or he has been induced by QF to present their PR line to the public.
Thankfully, Kochie and GT are not involved in determining the outcome of the ea negotiations. As I understand it, the qantas and alaea negotiating teams, and ultimately the employees, do that.
I can honestly say I have never seen such a distorted, biased and factually incorrect view in relation to these negotiations than as was put by Geoff Thomas on that sunrise piece. Alan Joyce himself has more balance and factual correctness in his interviews than Geoff Thomas. If you were not aware that GT was presented as an 'Aviation Expert'you would have thought he was a QF spokesman arguing Qantas' case against the pilots and engineers.
In my opinion, either GT is ignorant of the facts or he has been induced by QF to present their PR line to the public.
Thankfully, Kochie and GT are not involved in determining the outcome of the ea negotiations. As I understand it, the qantas and alaea negotiating teams, and ultimately the employees, do that.
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3-400 million per year!!
Did you hear that fool claiming that the EBA would cost Qantas 300-400 million per year!!! Some people really just need to crawl back under their rocks don't they?
Expert..??
He's the sort of person one wishes they could meet on the street..
And Steve.. top job with the letter mate!!
I bet a certain Geoffrey Thomas won't be calling you anytime soon..
Expert..??
He's the sort of person one wishes they could meet on the street..And Steve.. top job with the letter mate!!
I bet a certain Geoffrey Thomas won't be calling you anytime soon..
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Steve,
I have been out of the industry for a number of years, in my time you sat the basic examinations for free. These days the CASA charge a certain fee to sit each examination, in the case of your 25 it adds up to a bit of money. If you fail and have to resit, pay another fee.
Just thought that you should have mentioned it.
Keep up the good work.
R V.
I have been out of the industry for a number of years, in my time you sat the basic examinations for free. These days the CASA charge a certain fee to sit each examination, in the case of your 25 it adds up to a bit of money. If you fail and have to resit, pay another fee.
Just thought that you should have mentioned it.
Keep up the good work.
R V.
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This stuff is making my skin crawl. I work for the 'other' side and I'm looking on with so much contempt for the QF hierarchy but more so the media that has its hands in so many different pockets and placing so much spin on this it's making me physically sick.
Channel 7, Geoffrey Thomas and the likes who are on this false propaganda media campaign to attack workers for getting a fair pay rise and fighting for better conditions....Shame on all of you! (and 3% mind you....CPI is 3.3% this year!! So in effect they are asking for a pay cut!!).
Let's get someone powerful in the media who wants to tell our story...and I say "our" story...Engineers, pilots whether its Qantas, Virgin, Jetstar, Tiger...we're in this together.
I've said my piece...
(Well written Steve) Kudos.
Channel 7, Geoffrey Thomas and the likes who are on this false propaganda media campaign to attack workers for getting a fair pay rise and fighting for better conditions....Shame on all of you! (and 3% mind you....CPI is 3.3% this year!! So in effect they are asking for a pay cut!!).
Let's get someone powerful in the media who wants to tell our story...and I say "our" story...Engineers, pilots whether its Qantas, Virgin, Jetstar, Tiger...we're in this together.
I've said my piece...
(Well written Steve) Kudos.
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Well Its pretty simple if Kosh thinks 89 was bad well let's revisit it! Enuff Said!
Forget the media just focus and destroy Kosh!
Forget the media just focus and destroy Kosh!
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The thought that springs to mind.
Full page ad. Open letter to the travelling public. Wouldn't need much editing in order to make it suitable for that forum. Not sure the costs of those sorts of things in papers around the nation. Now's probably not the time for it anyway but it would be at some stage.
Full page ad. Open letter to the travelling public. Wouldn't need much editing in order to make it suitable for that forum. Not sure the costs of those sorts of things in papers around the nation. Now's probably not the time for it anyway but it would be at some stage.
I'll be in that too.
I'd politely ask Dick Smith to match it dollar for dollar if he really cares about aviation safety.
He'd be an ideal spokesman for the cause (if you can hold your food down long enough)
So Dick, what say you?
I'd politely ask Dick Smith to match it dollar for dollar if he really cares about aviation safety.
He'd be an ideal spokesman for the cause (if you can hold your food down long enough)
So Dick, what say you?
I'm pretty sure Mr. Thomas frequents these forums and has no doubt read this thread.
So Geoffrey, are you brave enough to give Steve the reply he deserves, whether that be through Pprune or via private email?
So Geoffrey, are you brave enough to give Steve the reply he deserves, whether that be through Pprune or via private email?
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Please everyone give GT a break.I looked up his bio -Geoffrey Thomas has been in love with aircraft ever since his uncle – an engineer with Trans Australian Airlines – allowed him to clamber over Douglas DC-6Bs at Perth Airport in 1959.
After 25 years in commerce, Geoffrey turned his weekend hobby of writing articles on things that fly into a real job and was appointed the West Australian’s aviation writer in 1996
I wonder if he watched his aunty cook,maybe he could be a judge on Master Chef.
After 25 years in commerce, Geoffrey turned his weekend hobby of writing articles on things that fly into a real job and was appointed the West Australian’s aviation writer in 1996
I wonder if he watched his aunty cook,maybe he could be a judge on Master Chef.
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I'm pretty sure Mr. Thomas frequents these forums and has no doubt read this thread.
So Geoffrey, are you brave enough to give Steve the reply he deserves, whether that be through PPRuNe or via private email?
So Geoffrey, are you brave enough to give Steve the reply he deserves, whether that be through PPRuNe or via private email?
Nunc est bibendum
Open letter in the Australian, Age & SMH.
The engineers have declared a 'cease fire' for four weeks- and for fantastic reasons too.... I wonder how much extra those strike breakers are going to cost QF now
- and so sometime around when it all gets serious again is the time.
From memory I believe Geoffrey Thomas was inducted into aviation by his uncle who was a former engineer with TAA in Perth. That said, he has received a number of prestigious awards for his reporting and writing of aviation matters. He is a senior editor of Air Transport World.
While I agree with the sentiment, the letter would require some serious editing before posting in a major newspaper. I would suggest having it re-written by a media-savvy person. We are reading the letter as passionate interested parties that agree with the sentiment and arguments it contains. Any advertisement should be short and sharp, containing facts that are presented in a way that is difficult for a cynical media or Qantas to turn against us. In any case, some good media advice is required.
The crap coming out of these reports and stories is the same stuff that has been presented by Qantas itself via Worth for some time. AIPA and the engineers association should have some pre-prepared shut down statements to counter the standard overblown representation by Qantas. In fact I am surprised that recent interviews with AIPA representatives have not used such shut down statements when given the chance. It is not as if Worth or Qantas has come up with any new arguments in the last few moths.
Unfortunately, it is easy for time-limited unimaginative journos to write crap. All they have to do is find a few factoids that feed the fears and prejudices of their audience. A company with any media management skill is going to have these factoids presented to said journos via their media releases.
The crap coming out of these reports and stories is the same stuff that has been presented by Qantas itself via Worth for some time. AIPA and the engineers association should have some pre-prepared shut down statements to counter the standard overblown representation by Qantas. In fact I am surprised that recent interviews with AIPA representatives have not used such shut down statements when given the chance. It is not as if Worth or Qantas has come up with any new arguments in the last few moths.
Unfortunately, it is easy for time-limited unimaginative journos to write crap. All they have to do is find a few factoids that feed the fears and prejudices of their audience. A company with any media management skill is going to have these factoids presented to said journos via their media releases.