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Old 27th May 2011, 02:47
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Sunfish,

FFS, THE PILOTS CANNOT CONTROL EVERY PIECE OF MEDIA THAT IS WRITTEN ABOUT THEM! You cannot engage one of the nationa's biggest companies and expect to have nothing but positive media stories. The Murdoch press and the Telegraph are, in my opinion, unlikely to give us much favourable coverage. That is just the way it is and we had better get used to it for a while. Your idea that hiring professional help will stop this kind of coverage is delusional in the extreme.

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Old 27th May 2011, 02:51
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Your idea that hiring professional help will stop this kind of coverage is delusional in the extreme
What the hell are you smoking? A professional PR group WILL go a long way to getting the QF Pilot's message out to the great unwashed who currently only see the QF PR SPIN from the QF overpaid PR machine.
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Old 27th May 2011, 02:52
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a re-classification of what each level of pilots is paid, such as raising Boeing 767 pilots to the higher A330 rate (a more than 10 per cent increase) and the Boeing 747 to the A380 pay rate (a 5 per cent increase).
Could someone explain what the real story is here? The union claims the change is less than 1%, the above suggests it isn't. I don't know any better so I assume it is somewhere in between.
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Old 27th May 2011, 02:53
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AIPA does have full-time PR help. Unfortunately AIPA's PR people do not have the ability to demand that the Daily Telegrpah or Herald Sun or whatever publish stories to AIPA's satisfaction - NO PR FIRM HAS THIS ABILITY!
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Old 27th May 2011, 03:02
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AIPA does have full-time PR help
really? well then sack them and get another PR firm that has established contacts in the media stream.

You message isn't getting out there at all.
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Old 27th May 2011, 03:04
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Mate, you are kidding yourself if you think some PR firm that "has contacts" can so easily and heavily influence the editorial agenda of major newspapers or tv shows that derive their income from advertising.

If you, Sunfish, or anyone else knows of any such PR company, please call the AIPA office now on 02 8307 7777 and pass on the name of said organisation.
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Old 27th May 2011, 03:14
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Who says editorials are the only place.... the places of influence are endless, you just need to get out there. Put your carefully prepared pilots out their, use the Sully interview, get him here if you can afford him or he wants to support you, just get out there.

Some of the responses here show why there is a problem and have no doubt there is a problem and the Rat is sitting back firing shots any way they choose because they are not being confronted in any professional manner.

Get out there please and get some advice.
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Old 27th May 2011, 03:21
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rodchucker, not sure you understand what I mean by "editorial agenda" - it does not just refer to the one column editorial in a newspaper on the letters page...

The extreme naivety on this thread is alarming. All these lovely motherhood statements about "get out there" and "get some professional help" ignore the reality that the form of media covering the story will shape and present the story as they choose to. You could do a two hour interview explaining every aspect of the pilots' case in perfect detail and language - BUT THIS DOES NOT MEAN IT WILL BE PUBLISHED - regardless of whether you have engaged no PR firm or the world's greatest BS artist!

It comes down to what the media WANTS to publish. Hence the pilots will get, in my opinion, more balanced coverage from the ABC and SMH than they will from the Telegraph.
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Old 27th May 2011, 03:21
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Re voting on Ninemsn:

You can only vote once it's attached to the ip address.
Not true. Close your browser, delete the Ninemsn cookie, then revote:

CDocuments and Settings\Bloggs\Cookies\[email protected][2].txt

If they can bullshit, we can cheat!
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Old 27th May 2011, 03:24
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Old 27th May 2011, 03:45
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just need to get a few more of these type of articles out there for everyone to read Qantas pilots reiterate dispute has nothing to do with pay
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Old 27th May 2011, 04:49
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Not true. Close your browser, delete the Ninemsn cookie, then revote:
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If they can bullshit, we can cheat!
You're wasting your time if you think that these online polls will have any influence on anything.

Everybody knows they are grossly unreliable (well, almost everybody).

The whole purpose of them is to get you to visit the website, or to return to the website. They are all about getting you to feel that you have made yourself heard - and so come back again another day - and be exposed again to the advertising messages being run by the website.
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Old 27th May 2011, 04:51
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facebook page appears out

Search "Qantas PIA"

or try this

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Old 27th May 2011, 05:06
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looks like facebook page is up, feel free to comment there..

seach 'qantas pia' in search bar on facebook
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Old 27th May 2011, 05:08
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Old 27th May 2011, 05:13
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Who is this Capt. Peter Wilson that featured in the Australian Aviation spread today? Where does he fit into it?
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Old 27th May 2011, 05:17
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QF Chief Pilot. Hasn't flown the line since he became the Chief Pilot. Reportedly he didn't fly the line when he was the A330 fleet manager either. It's been at least 3 years- possibly 6- since he's flown the line.
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Old 27th May 2011, 05:17
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Welcome to the world of 89 boys and girls, where you become ridiculed, ostracized, degraded, laughed at, and denigrated. Does not matter if its 89 or 2011, you still bleed the same. And I truly believed it would never happen again.
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Old 27th May 2011, 05:41
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Just throwing my 2 bits in as an average Joe but the perception that Joyce as successfully portrayed on Pilots is that they all earn $500,000+ and are now just claiming for petty bonuses like free flights for families.

The PR team have turned the publics opinion against you by getting everyone to believe this is just a salary hike, not anything to do with job security.
A strike at this point will just hurt the cause even more.
A bit more spin will probably even see public support for 'strike breaker pilots'.

Im all for you guys, but unfortunately, as iterated many times already, you are losing this battle.

Whos your spokesman? At the moment you are just a faceless entity which is always much easier for the opposition to demonise.
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Old 27th May 2011, 05:58
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I think it's time for AIPA to roll out the Pilots of QF32 as spokesmen.

The question is will they stand up and do it?
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