Qantas Pilots, You Are Losing The Battle.
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God is actually Dog spelt backwards...at least dogs show themselves! lol!
Anyway I disagree I believe the public perception of management is extremely poor in QF, it is they that need to win the battle, even though they keep sprucing the 450k figure that some QF pilots are on, as I am sure all their pilots are making... NOT!
Anyway I disagree I believe the public perception of management is extremely poor in QF, it is they that need to win the battle, even though they keep sprucing the 450k figure that some QF pilots are on, as I am sure all their pilots are making... NOT!
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Back to the thread topic re public and media perception, here's an article, from a business journalist as well, casting a somewhat skeptical eye over some of the current talk:
Qantas is pursuing a risky strategy
Qantas is pursuing a risky strategy
It is always hard to navigate the arguments being promoted by either side of any industrial dispute. In this instance, Qantas is pushing the case that the pilots are seeking wage rises that, while appearing reasonable - 2.5 per cent over three years - are the equivalent of a 26 per cent increase.
It is difficult to reconcile such a vast disparity, but Qantas puts it down to perks such as free travel. Maybe its boss, Alan Joyce, has a malfunctioning calculator.
It is difficult to reconcile such a vast disparity, but Qantas puts it down to perks such as free travel. Maybe its boss, Alan Joyce, has a malfunctioning calculator.
In reality the Qantas mainline staff are not asking for much of an increase in wages - if any. They just want security around their current wages and conditions and for the new recruits operating under the Qantas brand. This requires the maintenance of a full-service Qantas operation.
Such a weak strategy. Ever heard of playing the ball, not the man?
It is a strategy used in politics all the time. You associate your agenda with a name and a face, the villain. Like pink batts = Peter Garrett, NSW labour = Eddie Obeid or Joe Trapodi. The individual becomes the target of the campaign for the wider agenda. It is much more effective than just targeting say the "government".
The media also love it, it gives them someone to chase and the strategy often succeeds as the intense pressure on the individual "cracks" them into blunders or backdowns. The organisation (board) also don't mind it as it enacts a fall guy if the worst case happens for the organisation.
Read the article posted by manfred. You can see signs of the media side of it with the "Joyce malfunctioning calculator" and also comment that the board are getting nervous.
Baron B
This is no time to be playing by a set of rules that the opposition will not respect.
Kick the little prick hard and often.
Ever heard about never turning up to a gun fight armed just with a knife.
An assumption of common sense and decency will not win a street fight.
Been there done that. Retained integrity and lost the war. Good luck guys.
Maui
This is no time to be playing by a set of rules that the opposition will not respect.
Kick the little prick hard and often.
Ever heard about never turning up to a gun fight armed just with a knife.
An assumption of common sense and decency will not win a street fight.
Been there done that. Retained integrity and lost the war. Good luck guys.
Maui
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Lee Clifford AO and Peter Cosgrove AC MC both need to be attacked for their unAustralian actions as Board members overseeing the destruction of an icon.
The actions of the Board and, in particular, the Chairperson reflect the absolute lack of airline experience that exists in many of the "network" appointees.
These two "gentlemen" should be relieved of their Order of Australia for what they are now doing to the people of Australia.
Shame, Shame , Shame.
The actions of the Board and, in particular, the Chairperson reflect the absolute lack of airline experience that exists in many of the "network" appointees.
These two "gentlemen" should be relieved of their Order of Australia for what they are now doing to the people of Australia.
Shame, Shame , Shame.
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Well it looks like News Ltd journalists have made their minds up about who they're backing in this dispute:
Qantas pilots want free flights | Perth Now
Having said that, this one's a few years old, but other Newspapers may have different opinions regarding pilot pay:
The Sydney Morning Herald Blogs: Watercooler / January 2007 Archives
Qantas pilots want free flights | Perth Now
Figures obtained by the Herald Sun reveal the pilots' claim for a pay rise, added job security and perks such as free flights, would total $317 million -- an average of about $190,000 for each of the airline's 1700 flyboys.
An average 747 pilot earns $350,000 a year and the top pilots earn up to $500,000.
An average 747 pilot earns $350,000 a year and the top pilots earn up to $500,000.
The Sydney Morning Herald Blogs: Watercooler / January 2007 Archives
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The Bachelor of Arts student that wrote that article goes by the name of Joe Hildebrand - here's an author bio:
You'll also note that he DOESN'T post his email on his pieces, probably so the truth will never reach him. Luckily you can contact him and his employers at the following:
1. Twitter
2. [email protected]
Joe, you seem like one of those people that regularly Google their own names so I'm going to help you out: JOE HILDEBRAND JOE HILDEBRAND JOE HILDEBRAND JOE HILDEBRAND JOE HILDEBRAND.
You are a ******.
Leave the heavy-hitting business/economic reporting to actual professionals. Continue with the Kevin Rudd hacked emails, really funny stuff genius...
Joe Hildebrand was born in Melbourne and extradited to Sydney in 2000. Despite this he considers Adelaide his spiritual home, having spent a pleasant weekend there in the mid-1990s.
He currently “works” at The Daily Telegraph, where he wrote a column for several years until it was removed on bad taste grounds. He is single for the same reason.
He has an abiding interest in cinema, notably the American action-adventure genre which is often overlooked by mainstream audiences. His favourite film is Independence Day, which until recently he believed to be a documentary.
He has a blog at Daily Telegraph Joe Hildebrand Blog It has been described as having a strong cult following, which is to say very few people read it.
He also writes for The Punch in order to comply with the terms of his court order.
Joe Hildebrand | Authors bios | The Punch
He currently “works” at The Daily Telegraph, where he wrote a column for several years until it was removed on bad taste grounds. He is single for the same reason.
He has an abiding interest in cinema, notably the American action-adventure genre which is often overlooked by mainstream audiences. His favourite film is Independence Day, which until recently he believed to be a documentary.
He has a blog at Daily Telegraph Joe Hildebrand Blog It has been described as having a strong cult following, which is to say very few people read it.
He also writes for The Punch in order to comply with the terms of his court order.
Joe Hildebrand | Authors bios | The Punch
1. Twitter
2. [email protected]
Joe, you seem like one of those people that regularly Google their own names so I'm going to help you out: JOE HILDEBRAND JOE HILDEBRAND JOE HILDEBRAND JOE HILDEBRAND JOE HILDEBRAND.
You are a ******.
Leave the heavy-hitting business/economic reporting to actual professionals. Continue with the Kevin Rudd hacked emails, really funny stuff genius...
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Pilots stand to pocket $200,000 each
I say again; WHERE IS YOUR OWN SPIN DOCTOR????
Do you not understand that unless you can respond with headlines that counter this you are doomed because you won't have public opinion on your side?
Don't you understand that it will be TOO LATE to counter this at the time of a strike?
DO you not understand that truth or otherwise will not help you here? Most of the public will not read beyond the headline.
Do you not understand that Qantas is painting a very unflattering picture of its pilot workforce and you are doing nothing to counter it?
Where is the story "A day in the life of a Qantas pilot?" and similar stuff you should be putting out?
Pilots stand to pocket $200,000 each
Pilots stand to pocket $200,000 each | Herald Sun
Do you not understand that unless you can respond with headlines that counter this you are doomed because you won't have public opinion on your side?
Don't you understand that it will be TOO LATE to counter this at the time of a strike?
DO you not understand that truth or otherwise will not help you here? Most of the public will not read beyond the headline.
Do you not understand that Qantas is painting a very unflattering picture of its pilot workforce and you are doing nothing to counter it?
Where is the story "A day in the life of a Qantas pilot?" and similar stuff you should be putting out?
Pilots stand to pocket $200,000 each
QANTAS pilots stand to pocket almost $200,000 each on average if the airline caves into their demands, with the lion's share going on two free tickets a year to anywhere in the world.
Figures obtained by the Herald Sun reveal the pilots' claim for a pay rise, added job security and perks such as free flights, would total $317 million - an average of about $190,000 for each of the airline's 1700 flyboys.
Almost half of this - an estimated $145 million - would go towards pilots seeking two free premium economy seats to any overseas destination as a pay-off for Qantas being able to determine when they take their annual leave.
Other costs include a 2.5 per cent annual increase in wages over three years and a re-classification of what each level of pilots is paid, such as raising Boeing 767 pilots to the higher A330 rate (a more than 10 per cent increase) and the Boeing 747 to the A380 pay rate (a 5 per cent increase).
An average 747 pilot earns $350,000 a year and the top pilots earn up to $500,000.
Pilots are preparing to go on strike for the first time in more than two decades, a move that threatens to cripple the national carrier.
The pilots said yesterday that they were striking over job security.
Figures obtained by the Herald Sun reveal the pilots' claim for a pay rise, added job security and perks such as free flights, would total $317 million - an average of about $190,000 for each of the airline's 1700 flyboys.
Almost half of this - an estimated $145 million - would go towards pilots seeking two free premium economy seats to any overseas destination as a pay-off for Qantas being able to determine when they take their annual leave.
Other costs include a 2.5 per cent annual increase in wages over three years and a re-classification of what each level of pilots is paid, such as raising Boeing 767 pilots to the higher A330 rate (a more than 10 per cent increase) and the Boeing 747 to the A380 pay rate (a 5 per cent increase).
An average 747 pilot earns $350,000 a year and the top pilots earn up to $500,000.
Pilots are preparing to go on strike for the first time in more than two decades, a move that threatens to cripple the national carrier.
The pilots said yesterday that they were striking over job security.
Pilots stand to pocket $200,000 each | Herald Sun
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Sunfish is correct!!!!
What on earth is going on AIPA???
This article is a litany of lies and half truths and aimed soley at ruining the pilots perception with the public.
( on a side note- just how crap is Australian press- I mean really...I've lived in countries with state controlled media that reported more evenly than these papers...I am not joking either.)
Where are the newspaper ads, websites, even a flying banner with a few facts???
Time for the A+ game is now.
Pilots- you MUST demand more ACTION of the PROactive type...
This article is a litany of lies and half truths and aimed soley at ruining the pilots perception with the public.
( on a side note- just how crap is Australian press- I mean really...I've lived in countries with state controlled media that reported more evenly than these papers...I am not joking either.)
Where are the newspaper ads, websites, even a flying banner with a few facts???
Time for the A+ game is now.
Pilots- you MUST demand more ACTION of the PROactive type...
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Will you PLEASE get rid of the idiot with the staff travel fetish. That has to be the most provoking comment/ request, I have ever heard in a dispute. The general public's attitude to staff travel is well known, even to the point where the company requests that you should never identify yourselves to paying pax as staff, a very sensible request. As a 89er I watch all of this with trepidation, and urge you all to hasten slowly.
Yes I have to agree with Sunfish 100%
For goodness sake wake up you lot.
I just bought the Herald Sun in Mel and the bottom of page 5 has the article:-
PILOT'S DEMANDING FREE FLIGHTS
It's also on the main page of ninemsn as well:
QANTAS PILOT'S DEMAND PERKS AND PAYRISES
Qantas have turned up the spin and called in favours from their mates in the Media. You lot had better say something.
For goodness sake wake up you lot.
I just bought the Herald Sun in Mel and the bottom of page 5 has the article:-
PILOT'S DEMANDING FREE FLIGHTS
It's also on the main page of ninemsn as well:
QANTAS PILOT'S DEMAND PERKS AND PAYRISES
Qantas have turned up the spin and called in favours from their mates in the Media. You lot had better say something.
In political circles ONE letter to the editor is considered to represent the opinion of TWO THOUSAND voters.
Use the letters to the editor of all the broadsheets..... and hit them back with their dodgy maths
Mine this morning:
"A bit of maths 145 million dollars for 2 economy airfares for 1700 pilots prices an economy airfare at $42,647.
This is a blatant lie.
As for Ansett, asset stripping was what brought it's demise. I should know, I was there."
Use the letters to the editor of all the broadsheets..... and hit them back with their dodgy maths
Mine this morning:
"A bit of maths 145 million dollars for 2 economy airfares for 1700 pilots prices an economy airfare at $42,647.
This is a blatant lie.
As for Ansett, asset stripping was what brought it's demise. I should know, I was there."
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Rice power maybe your right, the spin isn't getting through:
Qantas strike-threat pilots demand $200,000 each | News.com.au
of the 83 comments on the article, I'd say there were more that backed the pilots (they deserve it/it's mangement spin) over management (pilots are greedy/overpaid). A suprising number easily identified that the travel claims were incorrect. And this comes after a very biased and provocative news.com.au article.
Qantas strike-threat pilots demand $200,000 each | News.com.au
of the 83 comments on the article, I'd say there were more that backed the pilots (they deserve it/it's mangement spin) over management (pilots are greedy/overpaid). A suprising number easily identified that the travel claims were incorrect. And this comes after a very biased and provocative news.com.au article.
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Qantas pilots bid for $200,000 in perks | thetelegraph.com.au
Edit: Oh excuse me, a few beat me to it :-P Sorry
QANTAS pilots each stand to pocket almost $200,000 on average extra if the airline caves in to their demands
An average 747 pilot earns $350,000 a year and the top pilots are on up to $500,000
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manfred you are not wrong I've just added my two cents worth.
I don't work for Qantas but gee this sort of thing gets my blood boiling. Now I finally see what the collegues told me about the last strike. Companies influencing the media to turn public sentiment.
Qantas Pilots, all Pilots you must listen. On every front you must fight this grubby Joyce war. Everyone of you should be on your keyboard getting the facts out there. It may seem like nothing but it will have an impact. For every pprune post you should be matching the news.com etc comments.
Support your colleagues.
I don't work for Qantas but gee this sort of thing gets my blood boiling. Now I finally see what the collegues told me about the last strike. Companies influencing the media to turn public sentiment.
Qantas Pilots, all Pilots you must listen. On every front you must fight this grubby Joyce war. Everyone of you should be on your keyboard getting the facts out there. It may seem like nothing but it will have an impact. For every pprune post you should be matching the news.com etc comments.
Support your colleagues.
