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China aviation authority denies pilot strike reports
(Xinhua)
Updated: 2008-04-04 18:17
BEIJING - China's aviation watchdog denied media reports on Friday of a recent alleged pilot strike, insisting a severe weather condition was to blame for the flight returns on Monday.
Recent media reports said pilots flying 14 to 18 China Eastern Airlines routes refused to land and returned to their departure points during regional flights in the southwestern Yunnan Province on Monday.
A woman guards the door during a China Eastern airline's shareholders meeting in Shanghai January 8, 2008. China's aviation watchdog denied media reports on Friday of a recent alleged pilot strike. [Agencies]
The number of affected passengers was not immediately available.
Sources within both the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) and the airline's Yunnan branch told Xinhua it was the severe windy weather that had forced the flights to return, rejecting media reports of a pilot strike.
CAAC also denied reports of an emergency meeting held by the administration that said it mulled life bans for pilots who were responsible for organizing the alleged strike.
Pilots refused to disclose any details of the incidents.
Beijing-based Caijing magazine quoted a CAAC publicity official on Friday, saying the administration would not punish pilots and continued efforts were being made to ensure future flights went smoothly to protect passenger interests.
This week, media reports said a pilot strike loomed large in China as 40 Shanghai Airlines pilots had called in sick at the same time on March 14. At the newly-founded Wuhan East Star Airline, 11 pilots asked for sick leave on March 28.
Sources within the involved airlines were not available to confirm the incidents.
The Beijing-based Caijing reported the alleged strike action aimed to call for better treatment of pilots and urged the airlines to improve management, quoting a source close to the reported case.
Zhu Wenchuan, an expert on aviation security, said Chinese pilots had experienced increasing workloads of late, but stagnant wage rises. In addition, the management system of some domestic airlines limited pilots' personal development.
China has 12,000 pilots. Official figures predicted the total number of flights would increase 80 percent by 2010, meaning 6,500 more pilots were required.
It generally costs a Chinese airline about 700,000 yuan (US$100,000) to 1.8 million yuan to train a pilot.
(Xinhua)
Updated: 2008-04-04 18:17
BEIJING - China's aviation watchdog denied media reports on Friday of a recent alleged pilot strike, insisting a severe weather condition was to blame for the flight returns on Monday.
Recent media reports said pilots flying 14 to 18 China Eastern Airlines routes refused to land and returned to their departure points during regional flights in the southwestern Yunnan Province on Monday.
A woman guards the door during a China Eastern airline's shareholders meeting in Shanghai January 8, 2008. China's aviation watchdog denied media reports on Friday of a recent alleged pilot strike. [Agencies]
The number of affected passengers was not immediately available.
Sources within both the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) and the airline's Yunnan branch told Xinhua it was the severe windy weather that had forced the flights to return, rejecting media reports of a pilot strike.
CAAC also denied reports of an emergency meeting held by the administration that said it mulled life bans for pilots who were responsible for organizing the alleged strike.
Pilots refused to disclose any details of the incidents.
Beijing-based Caijing magazine quoted a CAAC publicity official on Friday, saying the administration would not punish pilots and continued efforts were being made to ensure future flights went smoothly to protect passenger interests.
This week, media reports said a pilot strike loomed large in China as 40 Shanghai Airlines pilots had called in sick at the same time on March 14. At the newly-founded Wuhan East Star Airline, 11 pilots asked for sick leave on March 28.
Sources within the involved airlines were not available to confirm the incidents.
The Beijing-based Caijing reported the alleged strike action aimed to call for better treatment of pilots and urged the airlines to improve management, quoting a source close to the reported case.
Zhu Wenchuan, an expert on aviation security, said Chinese pilots had experienced increasing workloads of late, but stagnant wage rises. In addition, the management system of some domestic airlines limited pilots' personal development.
China has 12,000 pilots. Official figures predicted the total number of flights would increase 80 percent by 2010, meaning 6,500 more pilots were required.
It generally costs a Chinese airline about 700,000 yuan (US$100,000) to 1.8 million yuan to train a pilot.
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I've been kept in the loop by a contact within Jetstar and have seen many of the emails. Many of the names are people I know. These were people I met and worked with in my GA travels. These are people that you entrusted your life with when all the chips were down. These were people that held their hand out when nothing was going your way. These are people that would speak to complete strangers on the phone and volonteer their time and effort to help a new person to the industry. These are people that gave everything they had to being the best possible employee and professional pilot.
What an incredible shame that their current employer cannot see their value the way I and my previous employers can.
To those who have written I can just say that I feel incredibly proud to have been associated with you.
What an incredible shame that their current employer cannot see their value the way I and my previous employers can.
To those who have written I can just say that I feel incredibly proud to have been associated with you.
To those who have written I can just say that I feel incredibly proud to have been associated with you.
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the ball is now firmly in managements court
the original ball will be forced to accept that if it wants to continue to play in managements court then it must do more playing for less money, and no complaining.
if the original ball teams up with the newer,cheaper imported ball and forms a union, then management will no longer play with either ball, but instead, source a third, and even cheaper, probably younger ball.
We've been preaching it for years, but UNITY is the only way forward! We only have a limited time to apply the appropriate pressure to management in this country in order to secure our futures.
Congratulations to all of the JQ pilots who have said their piece over the last few days!
If you are even considering putting fingers to keyboard, do it and do it now!!
Up to over 185 emails now apparently...
Congratulations to all of the JQ pilots who have said their piece over the last few days!
If you are even considering putting fingers to keyboard, do it and do it now!!
Up to over 185 emails now apparently...
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Congratulations to all of the JQ pilots who have said their piece over the last few days!
If you are even considering putting fingers to keyboard, do it and do it now!!
If you are even considering putting fingers to keyboard, do it and do it now!!
And that includes the demographic whos are names are remarkably conspicuous by their absence.
Grow some balls. You know who you are
I hear that Management have already tried to put Check Captains on individual contracts....CASA apparently won't allow it as CCs must be full time employees of the AOC Holder. Undoubtedly this would have enforced the training and checking of contract pilots. CCs should be carefully reconsidering their role in all this.
But Training captains are voluntary positions and the personal hit from refusal to train is less.... No Training Captains willing to train contractors= No Contract Pilots.
Our greatest hope (and biggest risk) now lies with the Training and Checking Department.
But Training captains are voluntary positions and the personal hit from refusal to train is less.... No Training Captains willing to train contractors= No Contract Pilots.
Our greatest hope (and biggest risk) now lies with the Training and Checking Department.
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Apache, there is no large untapped pool of "Asian Pilots", thats the ironic twist in this whole mad scheme. Usually wage arbitrage is between at least two existing markets. In this case, they are actually attempting to create a pool of pilots that doesn't actually exist in the target market (Singapore) to effect the arbitrage. Off-shoring to in-shore.
Judging by the number of emails I receive from multiple crewing companies for Asian assignments, there appears to be quite a shortage in Asia. Quite frankly, if you are going to be forced to work in Asia, would this be the mob of choice?
The Australian basing/lifestyle was always touted by management as the reason they could discount wages compared to other operators in less desirable locales. They appear to be attempting to kicking the leg out from under their own stool with Asian basings, hence the need for captive debt slaves.
Judging by the number of emails I receive from multiple crewing companies for Asian assignments, there appears to be quite a shortage in Asia. Quite frankly, if you are going to be forced to work in Asia, would this be the mob of choice?
The Australian basing/lifestyle was always touted by management as the reason they could discount wages compared to other operators in less desirable locales. They appear to be attempting to kicking the leg out from under their own stool with Asian basings, hence the need for captive debt slaves.
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My feeling is that the management of aviation companies in Oz believe that there is an untapped source of pilots in the Middle East who can be used to crew airlines. It has some validity but only for Oz based positions. There will be very few willing to leave one overseas locale for another, especially as we know that the wage offer will be marginal and the company is inherently anti-employee. The high dollar and the GFC's hit to the markets will be other factors that keep experienced, quality pilots working for their current overseas master.
The company's only hope then is that Oz FOs will leave home for upgrades and bigger aeroplanes. If they do that however, they will be there till retirement because there will be very little left at home to go to.
The company's only hope then is that Oz FOs will leave home for upgrades and bigger aeroplanes. If they do that however, they will be there till retirement because there will be very little left at home to go to.
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ernestkgann said
"The companies only hope then is that Oz FOs will leave home for upgrades and bigger aeroplanes"
Well given the recent form of this lot, the company probably won't have to "hope" too much then. They will queue up in droves; just watch.
"The companies only hope then is that Oz FOs will leave home for upgrades and bigger aeroplanes"
Well given the recent form of this lot, the company probably won't have to "hope" too much then. They will queue up in droves; just watch.
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I have only touched briefly on this thread but could someone post one of these so called emails!
Would really like to see the full picture about what really is happening.
Thanks L&F
Would really like to see the full picture about what really is happening.
Thanks L&F
Havick at this stage new hires.
I thought it was illegal to hire people outside the EBA (in the same company), why would J* Pilots agree to this?!
The original EBA which is valid to 2013 contains a provision which was controversial at the time it was entered into allowing Jetstar to hire outside of the terms of the agreement.
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P.S Even a post of the so called contract too if possible, not that I don't believe
anyone's posts here but some substance would enlighten I and other pilots not
employed by J* to some of the facts of what is happening.
Thanks again L & F
anyone's posts here but some substance would enlighten I and other pilots not
employed by J* to some of the facts of what is happening.
Thanks again L & F
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I have seen the contract and assure you this is legit and bs...
Half of the allowances have a clause that "may" apply...
Luckily so far everyone I've talked to has declined the offer!! With one today saying they would accept a position but only on the eba...
I have also been told that the offer required responses by today, they were only given 4 days to peruse the details before making a decision... Maybe trying to rush through a backup for the cadets if the senate enquiry goes against their master plan.
Half of the allowances have a clause that "may" apply...
Luckily so far everyone I've talked to has declined the offer!! With one today saying they would accept a position but only on the eba...
I have also been told that the offer required responses by today, they were only given 4 days to peruse the details before making a decision... Maybe trying to rush through a backup for the cadets if the senate enquiry goes against their master plan.