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In light of the afap proceedings does anyone have any ideas on how those in the pool should approach this? Some of them are yet to respond and need some guidance.
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Last edited by claret101; 18th May 2011 at 22:23. Reason: self preservation
Why did it take so long for an injunction to be filed against this rubbish. Isn't AIPA and AFAP full of lawyers?
This should have been done in the first place, though I guess it somewhat has been good that it hasn't as this Jet* contract has possibly bought the pilot group within Jet* and every other operator closer together. To stop management from trying to pull the wool over ours eyes. War has broken out and the Jet* boys and girls are ATM our front line fighters.
To quote Dogman, the rest of the industry is watching, and holding their breaths.
This should have been done in the first place, though I guess it somewhat has been good that it hasn't as this Jet* contract has possibly bought the pilot group within Jet* and every other operator closer together. To stop management from trying to pull the wool over ours eyes. War has broken out and the Jet* boys and girls are ATM our front line fighters.
To quote Dogman, the rest of the industry is watching, and holding their breaths.
Maybe the AFAP and other unions/pilot groups should take legal action against all the large employers doing the same thing as Jokestar, hiring new pilots under different company names with different payscales and conditions instead of under their existing EBA's to sit in the same cockpits.
Cobham is one I'm aware of, it was mentioned by several people in another thread, Im sure people out there know of others too??
How the hell is this even legal under Aust IR laws when these new companies are only created to specifically circumvent mutually agreed EBA's???
Serenity Bloody Now !!!
Cobham is one I'm aware of, it was mentioned by several people in another thread, Im sure people out there know of others too??
How the hell is this even legal under Aust IR laws when these new companies are only created to specifically circumvent mutually agreed EBA's???
Serenity Bloody Now !!!
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The surprising truth about what motivates us...
Very very informative if you have a spare 10 minutes. Maybe someone should give this to Jetstar management...
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Stiff U/C
You cant take a rumour to court.
You have to wait for the employer to actually implement that rumour, then gather evidence and form a case then take it to court.
There is nothing fast about it.
You cant take a rumour to court.
You have to wait for the employer to actually implement that rumour, then gather evidence and form a case then take it to court.
There is nothing fast about it.
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Which they have now by entering into the contract with the 4 guinea pigs, oh sorry I mean Cadets!
The best these 4 guys can hope for now is that the contracts get quashed by the Federal Court and any pressure from the Senate Committee and they get their contracts reissued on the EBA.
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The Kelpie
The best these 4 guys can hope for now is that the contracts get quashed by the Federal Court and any pressure from the Senate Committee and they get their contracts reissued on the EBA.
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The Kelpie
Which they have now by entering into the contract with the 4 guinea pigs, oh sorry I mean Cadets!
The best these 4 guys can hope for now is that the contracts get quashed by the Federal Court and any pressure from the Senate Committee and they get their contracts reissued on the EBA.
More to Follow
The Kelpie
The best these 4 guys can hope for now is that the contracts get quashed by the Federal Court and any pressure from the Senate Committee and they get their contracts reissued on the EBA.
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The Kelpie
You don't think the company will sign them up on the EBA do you? They will be 'let go' and forced to pay back their bonds.
In fact, there are incentives on these contracts for Jetstar to let you go in the first 12 months. They save at least 27k by hiring you over an EBA Pilot. Plus they make at least 12k on your type endorsement and a GST credit on top.
Straight away they are 40k ahead by hiring you over an experienced Pilot.
If they can find any reason to let you go in the first 12 months they will. They have financial incentive to.
Disgusting.
Funny how there are Emirates advertisements on all these threads!
Funny how Emirates require 4000 hours minimum to fly one of their aeroplanes. It can't be that they place value on experience can it???
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But the point is that Jetstar have now entered into the contract and have committed an alleged breach under the Fair Work Act. This paves the way for legal action through the courts.
Until they had entered into the contract on the first occasion they had not committed a breach!!
Game on
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Until they had entered into the contract on the first occasion they had not committed a breach!!
Game on
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If your really bored why not have some fun and make up a few fictitious characters and apply for them too. Mav, Biggles and Iceman might look a little obvious so keep the names and experience levels believable.
So.... did the Jetstar pilot who told everyone to 'toughen up princesses' send an email along with the rest?
Try typing in "toughen up princesses jetstar email" into google, you only get 57000 results
Try typing in "toughen up princesses jetstar email" into google, you only get 57000 results
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Compy,
As always you bring value to an important discussion. I bet captains all around the country can't wait to share the cockpit with you. Have you started wearing your uniform on buses yet just in case the driver has a heart problem and a hero is needed?
I better put a
in here now just in case you think I'm serious.
As always you bring value to an important discussion. I bet captains all around the country can't wait to share the cockpit with you. Have you started wearing your uniform on buses yet just in case the driver has a heart problem and a hero is needed?
I better put a
in here now just in case you think I'm serious.
Waren9
I am aware of that, but the injunction was only applied for on Tuesday. These contract offerings have been going for at least a week now. Only after the unions received an email from a Jet* pilot was the idea even looked at. The unions should have been all over this like a rash before it got to the point 380+ emails were sent.
Having said that though, like I said, kinda glad it took a while, it has bought the pilot body together to fight these house conditions. Not only in Jet* but as I said in other companies as well, we are all backing you, every single jet* pilot out there, we are watching with keen interest.
I am aware of that, but the injunction was only applied for on Tuesday. These contract offerings have been going for at least a week now. Only after the unions received an email from a Jet* pilot was the idea even looked at. The unions should have been all over this like a rash before it got to the point 380+ emails were sent.
Having said that though, like I said, kinda glad it took a while, it has bought the pilot body together to fight these
house conditions. Not only in Jet* but as I said in other companies as well, we are all backing you, every single jet* pilot out there, we are watching with keen interest.
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Application from myself is now withdrawn. I'm embarrassed to even admit I had an apllication in with these guys in the first place 
Would be a fairly safe bet to say that aspiring Pilots and current Pilots would now have Jetstar at the bottom of the barrel for future employee prospects
Would be a fairly safe bet to say that aspiring Pilots and current Pilots would now have Jetstar at the bottom of the barrel for future employee prospects
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Folks, might I suggest you don't withdraw your applications, or fail to turn up....
That allows management to say "nobody wants the job..."
Go through the process, accept the job, but refuse to sign the contract they present.
You could even present J* with your own contract in reply - this is standard practice to respond with a revised offer, perhaps the union could furnish something along those lines....
Remember, at this point it becomes a contract negotiation, the work is already settled.
Several reasons I suggest this:
- This prevents managment from saying "We have a pilot shortage, nobody wants the job ..."
- If applicants withdraw their applications, it is about them not wanting the job
- If successful applicants wont sign the contract, its about the contract T&C.
- If management change their minds (yes, and I beleive in Santa too!), you still hold position in the application queue
This is not about pilots not wanting to fly for the airlines, its about pilots not prostituing/bankrupting/disrupting themselves and their families in order to do so.
Even if they change the application process and bring the contract negotiations up front, that is the time to put forward your claim. the job is not filled because you can't agree on the contract.
It also takes time to process an applicant, time is money, this process costs. If these costs continue yet there is no results, even the bean counters should (and note I say 'should') react to that.
Keep your applications current.
Bottom line, you actually want to be an airline pilot, it is the 'top-of-the-tree' in aviation for many of us. You want it known that you will not bend over backward and take a stiff rogering to do it!
Make it about the contract T&C, not the job.
That allows management to say "nobody wants the job..."
Go through the process, accept the job, but refuse to sign the contract they present.
You could even present J* with your own contract in reply - this is standard practice to respond with a revised offer, perhaps the union could furnish something along those lines....
Remember, at this point it becomes a contract negotiation, the work is already settled.
Several reasons I suggest this:
- This prevents managment from saying "We have a pilot shortage, nobody wants the job ..."
- If applicants withdraw their applications, it is about them not wanting the job
- If successful applicants wont sign the contract, its about the contract T&C.
- If management change their minds (yes, and I beleive in Santa too!), you still hold position in the application queue
This is not about pilots not wanting to fly for the airlines, its about pilots not prostituing/bankrupting/disrupting themselves and their families in order to do so.
Even if they change the application process and bring the contract negotiations up front, that is the time to put forward your claim. the job is not filled because you can't agree on the contract.
It also takes time to process an applicant, time is money, this process costs. If these costs continue yet there is no results, even the bean counters should (and note I say 'should') react to that.
Keep your applications current.
Bottom line, you actually want to be an airline pilot, it is the 'top-of-the-tree' in aviation for many of us. You want it known that you will not bend over backward and take a stiff rogering to do it!
Make it about the contract T&C, not the job.
Apart from expecting other people not to apply for positions what are current Jetstar pilots doing?
Going sick? I heard ( oddly ) sick leave at Jetstar minimal. Knocking back training positions? Doing anything?
I mean Jetstar pilots have never been upstanding industrially. And the current mess is a lot to do with them. What are they doing apart from expecting others' to fight their battles?
Going sick? I heard ( oddly ) sick leave at Jetstar minimal. Knocking back training positions? Doing anything?
I mean Jetstar pilots have never been upstanding industrially. And the current mess is a lot to do with them. What are they doing apart from expecting others' to fight their battles?
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Well something is happening, I have been called twice now on days off in the hope that I would work, suffice to say I declined. I have also heard of simulator sessions being cancelled due to crew going sick and no one else willing to take over. I feel they may have pushed it one step to far this time around. 
