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Well said Krusty!
However, while there are morons Qing up to accept the garbage on offer by the usual suspects(insert JQ), this situation will continue.
At the end of the day, you can't blame any operator for offering shyte T&Cs if the same T&Cs continue to be accepted. It is a free market and an indicator that what is on offer is acceptable. Until such time that there are no takers for these positions, then and only then will employers be forced to up the ante.
Unfortunately, I do not see an end in sight on the downward pressure on T&Cs in my life time.
However, while there are morons Qing up to accept the garbage on offer by the usual suspects(insert JQ), this situation will continue.
At the end of the day, you can't blame any operator for offering shyte T&Cs if the same T&Cs continue to be accepted. It is a free market and an indicator that what is on offer is acceptable. Until such time that there are no takers for these positions, then and only then will employers be forced to up the ante.
Unfortunately, I do not see an end in sight on the downward pressure on T&Cs in my life time.
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Interesting it was suggested as a work-around by crewing without even blinking.
I may have missed it, but I don't remember a 200K salary for an F/O being mentioned??
Are you reading this CASA? Helloooooo? Helloooooo? CASA? Are you there?
A hole in the ground is what it will take to get action.
FA I think you should have mentioned in your first post that the conversation with your mate was at the J* startup considering that event occurred 8 years ago. My actual experience with crewing as opposed to second hand evidence is that you say no to crewing then they just move on to the next call. As to answering phones on DFD another J* urban myth. I'm not an apologist for J* by any means but lets not let hysteria get in the way the facts (something pilots often accuse the media of BTW).
Animal Farm
The uninformed dribble on here is amazing. Talk about moronic thinking and not understanding what the reps achieved.
Did you ever wonder what would have happened if an agreement wasn’t reached? Have you ever contemplated the part time clause in the Jetstar EBA? The agreement enshrined a cap on the maximum number of people that could be forced onto flexi-line. Without an agreement, Jetstar would have implemented flexi line with no cap. To transition from part time to full time would have been at Jetstar’s discretion. Commands could have been advertised as part time only – with the agreement, this is not possible. With the agreement, only 10% of the pilots can be forced onto part time. As this cap is reached the senior get offered full time. It prevents a B scale. Its not perfect but it is a whole lot better than what could have occurred.
Had the spectre of Animal Farm not reared its head then the most senior flexi-liners would be full time now (under 1 year). As it stands they may make full time after 12-18 months of employment.
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” Substitute animals for pilots and see if you can find the pattern of pilots that get forced onto flexi-line straight up and those that don’t.
If retards didn't accept flexi-line in the first place, or new starts continue to accept it, it wouldn't exist.
absolutely!!!
a disgrace that JPC didn't try to protect any new comers.. Given that their only offer could be the flexi line that they feel compelled to accept it.. But still just curious as to how it works to move to full time
a disgrace that JPC didn't try to protect any new comers.. Given that their only offer could be the flexi line that they feel compelled to accept it.. But still just curious as to how it works to move to full time
Had the spectre of Animal Farm not reared its head then the most senior flexi-liners would be full time now (under 1 year). As it stands they may make full time after 12-18 months of employment.
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” Substitute animals for pilots and see if you can find the pattern of pilots that get forced onto flexi-line straight up and those that don’t.
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Had the spectre of Animal Farm not reared its head then the most senior flexi-liners would be full time now (under 1 year). As it stands they may make full time after 12-18 months of employment.
He knows it is intrinsically wrong, but he continues to justify it. And it sounds like he has actually come to believe in it.
Go figure? Sounds like a few politicians I know. I second what angryrat said...
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When a flexi line pilot can earn more for the same number of hours as a full time pilot, it doesn't meet my definition of B scale.
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Scumbag,
I am in complete agreement with you, IMHO they are victims to their own lack of integrity.
Do not work for onestar and never will.
The way I see it, they are already on a b scale, now there is flexi line which i believe is the next level of de-evolution, shall we label it c scales? .
Keg sums it nicely a few posts ago.
I am in complete agreement with you, IMHO they are victims to their own lack of integrity.
Do not work for onestar and never will.
The way I see it, they are already on a b scale, now there is flexi line which i believe is the next level of de-evolution, shall we label it c scales? .
Keg sums it nicely a few posts ago.
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When a flexi line pilot can earn more for the same number of hours as a full time pilot, it doesn't meet my definition of B scale.
You might not call it a "B" scale all of the time. But it is most definitely a significantly "eroded" scale. And it has the capacity to be a "Z" scale.
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And it has the capacity to be a "Z" scale.
Its a part time contract. Not a casual contract.
Read the contract boys.
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When a flexi line pilot can earn more for the same number of hours as a full time pilot, it doesn't meet my definition of B scale.
Looks like, sounds like, walks like.....
Don't get me wrong, I'm not adverse to grand father clauses and trying to tidy up past mistakes. Sometimes that means new hires end up slightly different conditions for a short time. However at least be honest about what it is in the short term. Trying to deny it smacks of heads in sand.
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I havent denied or tried to defend anything.
I don't actually like the new hires onto flexi time myself. I think its a bit of a sell out. The alternative was quite a bit worse. Especially unhelpful to the new guys trying to consolidate, just out of line training, low time and new to jets.
What there is on here is quite a bit of uninformed attacking going on, which is not on.
There have been quite a few voluntary moves onto flexi line.
As for hours guarantee, there isn't one (other than min. pay). Many (I'm guessing) are anticipating Jetstars' own demonstrated inability to plan beyond tomorrow.
As I said; have a read of it, educate yourself on the circumstances on how it come about, and then if you still have some criticisms of the outcome, then by all means get stuck in.
I don't actually like the new hires onto flexi time myself. I think its a bit of a sell out. The alternative was quite a bit worse. Especially unhelpful to the new guys trying to consolidate, just out of line training, low time and new to jets.
What there is on here is quite a bit of uninformed attacking going on, which is not on.
There have been quite a few voluntary moves onto flexi line.
As for hours guarantee, there isn't one (other than min. pay). Many (I'm guessing) are anticipating Jetstars' own demonstrated inability to plan beyond tomorrow.
As I said; have a read of it, educate yourself on the circumstances on how it come about, and then if you still have some criticisms of the outcome, then by all means get stuck in.
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If you mean zero work = zero pay, then nope.
What there is on here is quite a bit of uninformed attacking going on, which is not on.
Those with the experience are now saying: "we told you so". So when we read crap like on this thread where Jetstar pilots are unhappy with T & C's, you won't get much sympathy.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, ALL of you blokes need to stand up and grow a set. Collectively, that is.
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As for hours guarantee, there isn't one (other than min. pay). Many (I'm guessing) are anticipating Jetstars' own demonstrated inability to plan beyond tomorrow.
