Australian Airline wages compilation
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Latest V Australia offer, $216,500 base plus 9% super plus allowances plus some form of overtime/ day off payments etc. Still way off the mark. The offer is still funded by a B scale for new pilots though.
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Asked a freind yesterday who is a management accountant at one of the majors. Has three others reporting to him and their mandate is 'future'
Took home AUS$245,000 last financial year
Consultant for Australia Aviation as a whole AUS$156,000
Took home AUS$245,000 last financial year
Consultant for Australia Aviation as a whole AUS$156,000
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Are you lot sure that you want to publish these figures?
Mr & Mrs Joe Public aren't going to be too impressed with you crying poor on salaries they can only dream of.
A little sophistication is required here...you are doing your cause for salary increases no good at all by going public.
The companies must be staggered at your naivety!
Mr & Mrs Joe Public aren't going to be too impressed with you crying poor on salaries they can only dream of.
A little sophistication is required here...you are doing your cause for salary increases no good at all by going public.
The companies must be staggered at your naivety!
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My non flying friends all earn more than I do, as do most of my passengers.
If the "bosses" think they are on a winner due to the public realizing what the "top" of the aviation industry earn, then so be it.
We should include the charter and flying school guys to givent even more balance. That would open some eyes.
By the way, I think I am worth at least what I get, no embarrassment here.
If the "bosses" think they are on a winner due to the public realizing what the "top" of the aviation industry earn, then so be it.
We should include the charter and flying school guys to givent even more balance. That would open some eyes.
By the way, I think I am worth at least what I get, no embarrassment here.
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Obviously Mr and Mrs Joe Public cant dream very well amos2. First year in the mines on a FIFO roster in an unskilled position would see you taking home more than most of those figures published so far.
We dont want to get into a debate about how such a highly specialised and responsible job should be remunerated. This is for the benefit of the professionals on this forum......
We dont want to get into a debate about how such a highly specialised and responsible job should be remunerated. This is for the benefit of the professionals on this forum......
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Had a few shandy's tonight my friend?
I would love the public to know that after graduating high school, 4 years of uni and then a 3 year apprenticeship in GA, that I earn less than a cleaner on a mine site that dropped out in year 9 and has absolutely NO qualifications!
"Mr and Mrs Joe Public, I look forward to an educated debate on the matter of airline salaries."
Had a few shandy's tonight my friend?
I would love the public to know that after graduating high school, 4 years of uni and then a 3 year apprenticeship in GA, that I earn less than a cleaner on a mine site that dropped out in year 9 and has absolutely NO qualifications!
"Mr and Mrs Joe Public, I look forward to an educated debate on the matter of airline salaries."
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...and, unfortunately Chadzat, you're not being professional at all, are you?
Many years ago a pilot representative for one of the Australian airlines was being interviewed about Australian pilot conditions compared to overseas pilots conditions and he commented that Australian pilots were very well compensated! He got a phone call that night from an older and wiser pilot rep who told him that he had just buggered the forthcoming negotiations with the companies that were due to commence in a couple of months time!
I'd pull my head in if I were you lot, all you're going to do is look silly if you cry poor in public!
You'll achieve more if you act more sophisticated.
Many years ago a pilot representative for one of the Australian airlines was being interviewed about Australian pilot conditions compared to overseas pilots conditions and he commented that Australian pilots were very well compensated! He got a phone call that night from an older and wiser pilot rep who told him that he had just buggered the forthcoming negotiations with the companies that were due to commence in a couple of months time!
I'd pull my head in if I were you lot, all you're going to do is look silly if you cry poor in public!
You'll achieve more if you act more sophisticated.
..and pilots will never let their ego's get in the way of their own self importance..
I find it quite amusing too that on one thread we're all complaining loudly about the demise of pay and conditions and demanding that young kids don't consider cadetships, yet boasting here (and exagerating, "no wait that may be the base salary but I've seen a mates group certificate who showed he earned xx amount last financial year")
The rot started years ago with pay for endorsement and back then there was a lot of noise about how that was dragging everyone else down, yet now hardly rates a mention and is seen as completely acceptable.
The public has, and always will see pilots as overpaid. It is very easy for management to cherry pick certain pay scales/rosters from the pilot group to hold up as proof that their pilots are paid well enough. Just as it's quite easy for the general public to further reinforce their perception by reading a thread such as this
I find it quite amusing too that on one thread we're all complaining loudly about the demise of pay and conditions and demanding that young kids don't consider cadetships, yet boasting here (and exagerating, "no wait that may be the base salary but I've seen a mates group certificate who showed he earned xx amount last financial year")
The rot started years ago with pay for endorsement and back then there was a lot of noise about how that was dragging everyone else down, yet now hardly rates a mention and is seen as completely acceptable.
The public has, and always will see pilots as overpaid. It is very easy for management to cherry pick certain pay scales/rosters from the pilot group to hold up as proof that their pilots are paid well enough. Just as it's quite easy for the general public to further reinforce their perception by reading a thread such as this
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Originally Posted by Compylot
..and pilots will never let their ego's get in the way of their own self importance..
Originally Posted by Compylot
As a recent addition to that of the league of professional aviator, I have from day one been taught that whenever I am around aircraft, airports or an aviation environment to act as one would expect from a commercial pilot!
Last week I paxed from Sydeny to Melbourne for my neices christening, and even though I was off duty I wore my full uniform consisting of standard white epaulette shirt, 2 bars, wings, blue pants and of course appropriately displayed ASIC.
Last week I paxed from Sydeny to Melbourne for my neices christening, and even though I was off duty I wore my full uniform consisting of standard white epaulette shirt, 2 bars, wings, blue pants and of course appropriately displayed ASIC.
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I love the way most pilots believe in Myths, if you think that there are all these jobs in mines on great salaries, try and get one, I have a number of friends that have been trying for years and guess what out of about 15 guys I know trying only 1 has managed to get one, and he wasn't un skilled he was a very skilled paramedic.
In general pilots do earn more than general public across the board, and yes it is a hard slog to get a good pilots job, well at least it was 10 years ago. I am dead against the way airlines now make you pay for your type ratings and interviews etc hence I have never applied to anyone that asks for this.
At the end of the day we do have a good job and we can all live very comfortably on our wages even though a number of muppets have been bringing down airline wages for the last 10 years by attempting to buy there positions, no point getting all cut about that now though the damage has been done just work together to slowly bring conditions back if you can and as pointed out giving the MEDIA everyones salaries in aus is not a very smart move.
for an expat corporate pilot it was very interesting reading though.
I better put my head down and await now!
In general pilots do earn more than general public across the board, and yes it is a hard slog to get a good pilots job, well at least it was 10 years ago. I am dead against the way airlines now make you pay for your type ratings and interviews etc hence I have never applied to anyone that asks for this.
At the end of the day we do have a good job and we can all live very comfortably on our wages even though a number of muppets have been bringing down airline wages for the last 10 years by attempting to buy there positions, no point getting all cut about that now though the damage has been done just work together to slowly bring conditions back if you can and as pointed out giving the MEDIA everyones salaries in aus is not a very smart move.
for an expat corporate pilot it was very interesting reading though.
I better put my head down and await now!
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Compylot, I see you and raise you, Compylot post #post5231204
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Originally Posted by Compylot
4th Oct 2009, 12:21
4th Oct 2009, 12:21
Hi guys,
I am a recent professional commercial pilot (CPL, MEIFR Grade 3).
In regard to
as others could mistake you for someone of who is in a position of responsibility for the duty of care on the flight (in the event of an emergency where there's confusion etc).
As a recent addition to that of the league of professional aviator, I have from day one been taught that whenever I am around aircraft, airports or an aviation environment to act as one would expect from a commercial pilot!
Last week I paxed from Sydeny to Melbourne for my neices christening, and even though I was off duty I wore my full uniform consisting of standard white epaulette shirt, 2 bars, wings, blue pants and of course appropriately displayed ASIC.
The cabin crew on that flight were more than accomodating and thankful that they had an aviation porfessional in the emergency exit row, secure in the knowledge I had the capability and experience to direct pax in an emergency!
One of the passenegers next to me even asked me some questions on the briefing card and I helpfully pointed out some details!
So, I think that there is nothing wrong at all, in fact it is beneficial for professional aircrew to be appropriately identifiable when paxing on RPT services!
I am a recent professional commercial pilot (CPL, MEIFR Grade 3).
In regard to
as others could mistake you for someone of who is in a position of responsibility for the duty of care on the flight (in the event of an emergency where there's confusion etc).
As a recent addition to that of the league of professional aviator, I have from day one been taught that whenever I am around aircraft, airports or an aviation environment to act as one would expect from a commercial pilot!
Last week I paxed from Sydeny to Melbourne for my neices christening, and even though I was off duty I wore my full uniform consisting of standard white epaulette shirt, 2 bars, wings, blue pants and of course appropriately displayed ASIC.
The cabin crew on that flight were more than accomodating and thankful that they had an aviation porfessional in the emergency exit row, secure in the knowledge I had the capability and experience to direct pax in an emergency!
One of the passenegers next to me even asked me some questions on the briefing card and I helpfully pointed out some details!
So, I think that there is nothing wrong at all, in fact it is beneficial for professional aircrew to be appropriately identifiable when paxing on RPT services!
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No Jobs in the mines my ass! My cousin who is a real girly girl, spent the last 5 years working in a beauty parlor doing nails on rich women just got a job driving trucks at the mines starting on $150,000. She has dome debt and figured this is the quickest way to pay it off.
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because 1 person you know got a job on a mine you assume there are plenty of jobs! and the mines prefer girly girls driving there trucks, as they are apparently more gentle on them!
Did your cousin know someone by chance in the industry?
there are the occasional stories of people getting gigs on the mines the same as the occasional stories of people getting good jet jobs with 200hrs, it happens but its not the norm!
because 1 person you know got a job on a mine you assume there are plenty of jobs! and the mines prefer girly girls driving there trucks, as they are apparently more gentle on them!
Did your cousin know someone by chance in the industry?
there are the occasional stories of people getting gigs on the mines the same as the occasional stories of people getting good jet jobs with 200hrs, it happens but its not the norm!