Australian Airline wages compilation
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I won't shoot you, just call it as it is: Fake News. That's worse than not putting it up at all.
Sciolists come to mind...
Sciolists come to mind...
Trolls come to mind...
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Now Bloggs... Sciolists? Really? What a joke of a comment!
These aren't MY figures mate but a collaboration of others inputs!
A collection of data for everyone. Others started the thread too, cocko!
If you see wrong data, correct it, contribute, instead of your self righteous virtue signaling.
I hope you roll out of a better side of the bed tomorrow
P.s. Thanks Sykes.
These aren't MY figures mate but a collaboration of others inputs!
A collection of data for everyone. Others started the thread too, cocko!
If you see wrong data, correct it, contribute, instead of your self righteous virtue signaling.
I hope you roll out of a better side of the bed tomorrow
P.s. Thanks Sykes.
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So I have to contribute to correct Fake News. And I'm called a troll. Good one.
Instead of ripping into me, how about doing what I suggested. Get onto the FWC website and verify the stuff you've been fed by anonymous posters. Start with VARA.
You might like to have a look too, Sykes.
Well said BB. 
Instead of ripping into me, how about doing what I suggested. Get onto the FWC website and verify the stuff you've been fed by anonymous posters. Start with VARA.
You might like to have a look too, Sykes.
Originally Posted by Beer Baron
Yeah those numbers are certainly off the mark but it's hard to give an apples to apples comparison figure as the 737 minimum guaranteed hours are so low compared to actual hours flown. However, with an EBA coming up later this year I think it may be best if people don't start talking up the pay figures they are on as it may be used against us down the track.
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
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Oh the Irony
Instead of ripping into me, how about doing what I suggested. Get onto the FWC website and verify the stuff you've been fed by anonymous posters
Bit too hard, though, isn't it? Much easier to bag out others.
All you're good for.
He's asking for information posted to be vetted. Its hardly an unreasonable request.
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True but doesn't he realise ever since 2011, when this thread started, it has been the actual pilots with the jobs doing the vetting 
... that's the whole idea of this exchange. Simples 
... that's the whole idea of this exchange. Simples
No Chocks Away, it is the responsibility of a poster to basically post the facts (or is this Farcebook?). Chadzat went to great lengths to get his numbers right in 2011. It is clear that you have not, and in the process misled quite a few, and probably armed management with (fake) information with which to attack us.
If you can't independently verify the numbers, don't post them. "Simples".
I didn't post them in the first place! Why is it now my responsibility to correct them? Get real. Besides, I told you lot where to find (some of) them and even told you a company that should be looked-at. Been on the FW site yet? Didn't think so...
It is obvious now that those numbers are so rubbery the whole post should be deleted. Chadzat would be rolling his eyes.
If you can't independently verify the numbers, don't post them. "Simples".
Originally Posted by Sykes
How about YOU following YOUR OWN advice? You haven't even confirmed the Cobham figures. Why not provide updated info from your own EBA?
It is obvious now that those numbers are so rubbery the whole post should be deleted. Chadzat would be rolling his eyes.
Nunc est bibendum
Qantas Rates
Longhaul Min Guarantee is 160 hours and 6 1/2 rosters per year. Add 27.5 hours for mandatory training. 1067.5 hours.
Effective 1 Jul 18
Second Officer
A380.............................. B744.............................. A330
1. 91.58/ $97.6K..............1. 91.58/ $97.6K.............. 1. 91.58/ $97.6K.
2a. 98.01/ $104.6K...........2a. 98.01/ $104.6K........... 2a. 98.01/ $104.6K
2b. 126.22/ $134.7K.........2b. 120.21/ $128.3K.......... 2b. 114.51/ 122.2K
3. 132.89/ $141.9K...........3. 126.56/ $135.1K........... 3. 120.47/ $128.6K
Hourly rates go up 2-3% each year until year 12.
Individual fleet divisors may change. A330 currently 160. A380 currently 180.
Avg O/T per BP
50*...................................... 29.................................3
First Officer.
Using Year 12 rate only as that’s what they’re all on.
Using 160 min guarantee. Most divisors between 175- 185
A380.......................... B744.......................... A330.
215.18/ $229.7K.......... 204.93/ $218.8K......... 195.15/ $208.3K
Average O/T
46*.............................. 23.............................. 3.
Captain
Divisor and notes as per F/O
A380........................... B744............................ A330
326.07/ $348.1K........... 310.55/ $331.5K............ 295.76/ $315.7K
Average o/t
45*............................... 25.................................3.
* Note that the 380 o/t numbers will decrease dramatically when the 380 reverts to one LHR flight via SIN. Likely to be closer to 30.
I’ll come back to 787 rates another day.
Longhaul Min Guarantee is 160 hours and 6 1/2 rosters per year. Add 27.5 hours for mandatory training. 1067.5 hours.
Effective 1 Jul 18
Second Officer
A380.............................. B744.............................. A330
1. 91.58/ $97.6K..............1. 91.58/ $97.6K.............. 1. 91.58/ $97.6K.
2a. 98.01/ $104.6K...........2a. 98.01/ $104.6K........... 2a. 98.01/ $104.6K
2b. 126.22/ $134.7K.........2b. 120.21/ $128.3K.......... 2b. 114.51/ 122.2K
3. 132.89/ $141.9K...........3. 126.56/ $135.1K........... 3. 120.47/ $128.6K
Hourly rates go up 2-3% each year until year 12.
Individual fleet divisors may change. A330 currently 160. A380 currently 180.
Avg O/T per BP
50*...................................... 29.................................3
First Officer.
Using Year 12 rate only as that’s what they’re all on.
Using 160 min guarantee. Most divisors between 175- 185
A380.......................... B744.......................... A330.
215.18/ $229.7K.......... 204.93/ $218.8K......... 195.15/ $208.3K
Average O/T
46*.............................. 23.............................. 3.
Captain
Divisor and notes as per F/O
A380........................... B744............................ A330
326.07/ $348.1K........... 310.55/ $331.5K............ 295.76/ $315.7K
Average o/t
45*............................... 25.................................3.
* Note that the 380 o/t numbers will decrease dramatically when the 380 reverts to one LHR flight via SIN. Likely to be closer to 30.
I’ll come back to 787 rates another day.
Anyways......
VAI NZ
Captain Level 1 $176,776
Captain Level 2 $185,772
Captain Level 3 $194,769
First Officer Level 1 $103,950
First Officer Level 2 $112,217
First Officer Level 3 $120,606
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Thanks for reviving this thread Chocks Away. It took me about a day of trawling through the FWA website back in 2011 to get a majority of those numbers. The rest were contributed by other posters.
My only suggestion would be to just delete the numbers (not the employer/aircraft list) that are clearly wrong or outdated. Then posters here can maybe add to the blank spaces if they know those rates first hand. A lot of agreements on FWA have the pay scales blacked out these days so it would be quite hard to collate the info from FWA alone.
I find it interesting how far some rates have come, while others have hardly moved in 7 years.
My only suggestion would be to just delete the numbers (not the employer/aircraft list) that are clearly wrong or outdated. Then posters here can maybe add to the blank spaces if they know those rates first hand. A lot of agreements on FWA have the pay scales blacked out these days so it would be quite hard to collate the info from FWA alone.
I find it interesting how far some rates have come, while others have hardly moved in 7 years.
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The Virgin Australia widebody EBA was recently voted up.
New pay for A330/B777 as follows:
Capt (+9.5% super)
July 17 $272,986 ($298,919)
July 18 $283,868 ($310,835)
July 19 $291,674 ($319,383)
FO (65% of Capt)
July 17 $177,440 ($194,287)
July 18 $184,513 ($202,042)
July 19 $198,588 ($207,598)
SO (53% of FO)
July 17 $94,043 ($102,977)
July 18 $97,792 ($107,082)
July 19 $100,481 ($110,027)
OT trigger at 75.25 hours per 28 day roster (at Capt $321/330/339hr, FO $209/215/221hr, SO $111/114/117 hr). Minimum credit guarantee of 5 hours for work on any day which includes paxing when in association with a flight duty pairing. Plus some other technicalities and adjustments.
Narrow body EBA voting opens later this week.
New pay for A330/B777 as follows:
Capt (+9.5% super)
July 17 $272,986 ($298,919)
July 18 $283,868 ($310,835)
July 19 $291,674 ($319,383)
FO (65% of Capt)
July 17 $177,440 ($194,287)
July 18 $184,513 ($202,042)
July 19 $198,588 ($207,598)
SO (53% of FO)
July 17 $94,043 ($102,977)
July 18 $97,792 ($107,082)
July 19 $100,481 ($110,027)
OT trigger at 75.25 hours per 28 day roster (at Capt $321/330/339hr, FO $209/215/221hr, SO $111/114/117 hr). Minimum credit guarantee of 5 hours for work on any day which includes paxing when in association with a flight duty pairing. Plus some other technicalities and adjustments.
Narrow body EBA voting opens later this week.
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Adjusted thanks Jim.
Chadzat - no probs. I'll leave the old figures up as a history until amended.
Bloggs - "Chadzat would be rolling his eyes."... obviously not.
Chadzat - no probs. I'll leave the old figures up as a history until amended.
Bloggs - "Chadzat would be rolling his eyes."... obviously not.
You blokes have got no idea about the real world have you?
Plumbers on $200k/yr etc???
What a load of bollocks!
Tradies working for wages like you lot.....average between $30 to $40/hour.
Saturday work time and a half for first 2 or 3 hours depending on which award they on and double time after that. Sunday is double time.
Only tradies (some) who own a business employing a few guys earn the amounts your stating. They have to provide plant and vehicles,insurance, etc for all their employees and take the risk of going broke.
How many airline pilots have to do that? nil I suggest.
You have really lost all reality in your own little pampered world.
Plumbers on $200k/yr etc???
What a load of bollocks!
Tradies working for wages like you lot.....average between $30 to $40/hour.
Saturday work time and a half for first 2 or 3 hours depending on which award they on and double time after that. Sunday is double time.
Only tradies (some) who own a business employing a few guys earn the amounts your stating. They have to provide plant and vehicles,insurance, etc for all their employees and take the risk of going broke.
How many airline pilots have to do that? nil I suggest.
You have really lost all reality in your own little pampered world.