Australian Airline wages compilation

[Keg]

Originally Posted by bangbounceboeing

Any QF 737 numbers available?

Qantas 737 as at 1 Jul 17. From date of check out. I’ve needed to reverse engineer these to come up with the hourly rate so it may not be 100% precise but they’re close enough.
....................Year 1........Year 2........ Year 3......... Year 4
Captain.......$282 .........$289.60....... $297.23...... $304.85

F/O............ $180.47.......$185.35...... $190.23..... $195.10

Min guarantee is based upon 53:24 per BP, 13 BPs a year. Conservative Average about 70 hours per BP. These hours can vary between base and individual pilots. Some individuals have been averaging 90 hours per BP.

[exfocx]

dctPub,

I'll call bs on that. Most grads come out and earn crap, especially in IT. Re your comments on Arts, I'd take a Humanities grad over science any day and my guess is most Humanity grads would have better so called "critical thinking" skills by a long shot. The maths required for flying isn't even equivalent to yr 10: 3 x table, add and subtract (lmao) and all the physics behind flying is basic concepts that an afternoon can explain. I just love it when pilots start talking about "managing your energy".

[Keg]

QANTAS
Longhaul Min Guarantee is 160 hours and 6 1/2 rosters per year. Add 27.5 hours for mandatory training. 1067.5 hours.
Effective 1 Jul 18
Second Officer
A380.............................. B744.............................. A330
1. 91.58/ $97.6K..............1. 91.58/ $97.6K.............. 1. 91.58/ $97.6K.
2a. 98.01/ $104.6K...........2a. 98.01/ $104.6K........... 2a. 98.01/ $104.6K
2b. 126.22/ $134.7K.........2b. 120.21/ $128.3K.......... 2b. 114.51/ 122.2K
3. 132.89/ $141.9K...........3. 126.56/ $135.1K........... 3. 120.47/ $128.6K
Hourly rates go up 2-3% each year until year 12.
Individual fleet divisors may change. A330 currently 160. A380 currently 180.
Avg O/T per BP
50*...................................... 29.................................3
First Officer.
Using Year 12 rate only as that’s what they’re all on.
Using 160 min guarantee. Most divisors between 175- 185
A380.......................... B744.......................... A330.
215.18/ $229.7K.......... 204.93/ $218.8K......... 195.15/ $208.3K
Average O/T
46*.............................. 23.............................. 3.
Captain
Divisor and notes as per F/O
A380........................... B744............................ A330
326.07/ $348.1K........... 310.55/ $331.5K............ 295.76/ $315.7K
Average o/t
45*............................... 25.................................3.
* Note that the 380 o/t numbers will decrease dramatically when the 380 reverts to one LHR flight via SIN. Likely to be closer to 30.

Qantas 787 as at 1 Jul 18.
....................Year 1........Year 2........ Year 3......... Year 4
Captain.......$327.82 .....$336.01....... $344.42...... $353.03

F/O............ $216.36.......$221.77...... $227.31..... $232.99

S/O........... $114.74.......$117.61.........$120.55.......$123.55

Min guarantee is 145hrs per bid period. Planning divisor is 155. Additional 27.5 hours per year for training. Allowances additional.

Qantas 737 as at 1 Jul 17.
....................Year 1........Year 2........ Year 3......... Year 4
Captain.......$282 .........$289.60....... $297.23...... $304.85

F/O............ $180.47.......$185.35...... $190.23..... $195.10

Min guarantee is based upon 53:24 per BP, 13 BPs a year. Conservative Average about 70 hours per BP. These hours can vary between base and individual pilots. Some individuals have been averaging 90 hours per BP.

Hourly pay rates have been reverse engineered from a salary amount predicated on 694 hours per annum (including annual leave). May not be 100% precise but they’re close enough.

Express Freighters Australia
B737 Captain - $161,038
B737 F/O - $104,074
B767 Captain - $185,764
B767 F/O - $127,387
Network / Qantaslink
A320 Capt $186,000
A320 F/) ?
F100 Captain - $165,000
F100 F/O - ?
E120 Captain - $85,000 (parked)
E120 F/O - $55,000 (parked)

Eastern / Sunnies / Qantaslink
Q400 Captain - $92,863
Q400 F/O - $60,361
Q300/Q200 Captain - $86,789
Q300/Q200 F/O - $56,466

Virgin Australia
VAI:
New pay for A330/B777 as follows:
Capt (+9.5% super)
July 17 $272,986 ($298,919)
July 18 $283,868 ($310,835)
July 19 $291,674 ($319,383)
FO (65% of Capt)
July 17 $177,440 ($194,287)
July 18 $184,513 ($202,042)
July 19 $198,588 ($207,598)
SO (53% of FO)
July 17 $94,043 ($102,977)
July 18 $97,792 ($107,082)
July 19 $100,481 ($110,027)
OT trigger at 75.25 hours per 28 day roster (at Capt $321/330/339hr, FO $209/215/221hr, SO $111/114/117 hr). Minimum credit guarantee of 5 hours for work on any day which includes paxing when in association with a flight duty pairing. Plus some other technicalities and adjustments.
New base rates for B737: (super not included)
Capt.
July 2017 $227,904
July 2018 $233,023
July 2019 $239,440
FO Level 1 / 2 / 3
July 2017 $125,347/$136,742/$148,138
July 2018 $128,167/$139,819/$151,471
July 2019 $131,692/$143,664/$155,637
OT trigger at 68.25 hrs per 28 day RP.

Skywest/VARA
A320 Captain - $165,000
A320 F/O - $107,250
F100 Captain - $128,848
F100 F/O - $83,751
F50 Captain - $97,244
F50 F/O - $63,209

TIGER/JETSTAR A320 RATES 2014
TIGER CAPTAIN
Base $171,000 + EFA $140 + Retention $10,000
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $181,000
682hrs $195,700
787hrs $210,000
900hrs $226,220

TIGER FO Level 3
Base $114,570 + EFA $70 + Retention $6,667
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $121,237
682hrs $128,587
787hrs $135,937
900hrs $143,847

JETSTAR FO Level 3
Base $106,222 + EFA $134,97 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $106,222
682hrs $106,222
787hrs $106,222
900hrs $121,473

TIGER FO Level 2
Base $109,440 + EFA $70 + Retention $6,667
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $116,107
682hrs $123,457
787hrs $130,807
900hrs $138,717

JETSTAR FO Level 2
Base $98,051 + EFA $124.59 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $98,051
682hrs $98,051
787hrs $98,051
900hrs $112,129

TIGER FO Level 1
Base $94,050 + EFA $70 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $94,050
682hrs $101,400
787hrs $108,750
900hrs $116,660

JETSTAR FO Level 1
Base $89,880 + EFA $114.21 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $89,880
682hrs $89,880
787hrs $89,880
900hrs $102,785

Strategic
A320 F/O - $113,000

Cobham
B717 Rates as of 1st July 2018
B717 Captain - $188,000
B717 F/O Yr 1-4 - $112,800
B717 F/O Yr 5+ - $122,200

BAe 146 Captain - $158,000*
BAe 146 F/O - $85,250 up to $100,750 after year 5
DHC-8 Captain - $78,255
DHC-8 F/O - $46,940
Coastwatch DHC-8 Captain ~ 130,000
Coastwatch DHC-8 F/O ~ 78,000

Alliance
F100 Captain - $122,675
F100 F/O - $82,819
F50 Captain ?
F50 F/O ?

RrrrrrrrrExxyyyyyy
Base rates years 1-10 as of July 1 2016
F/O 54,000 - 66,000
Capt 89,000 - 109,000
+2.5% per year until 2018

"The new Aero-Duck"
BAe Jetstream 32 Captain - $70,922
BAe Jetstream 32 F/O - $50,620

RFDS
QLD - B200, PC12, C208 Line pilot - Tier 1 $93784 Tier 2 $104817

Skippers
DHC-8 Captain -$120,000 + o/time!!!
DHC-8 F/O - $55,000*
E120 Captain - $88,816?
E120 F/O - $55,000*
SA227 Captain - $70,855
SA227 F/O - $42,537

Brindabella (R.I.P.)
J41 Captain - $69,000
J41 F/O - $46,000
Metro Captain - $57,000
Metro F/O - $38,000

Pionair BAE146

Airnorth
E170 Captain - 109,000
E170 F/O - 94,200
E120 Captain - ?
E120 F/O - ?
SA227 Captain - ?
SA227 F/O - ?

Skytrans
DHC-8 Captain - ?
DHC-8 F/O - ?

Sharp Aviation
Metro Cpt -?
metro FO - ?

Hardy's
Metro Captain - $75,000
Metro F/O - $52,000
C441 Captain - $70,000

Careflight
$122,000 + +

JETGO
ERJ135 Captain $122,000 plus allowances plus 10% Super
FO $75,000 plus same
Endorsement Salary sacrificed at around $35K over two years.

VANZ (previously Pac Blue)
Captain Level 1 $176,776
Captain Level 2 $185,772
Captain Level 3 $194,765
First Officer Level 1 $103,950
First Officer Level 2 $112,217
First Officer Level 3 $120,606

Air EnZid (NZD)
2018 year 1 pay rates
320
FO 117,898
CA 183,371
787-9
SO 105,323
FO 140,386
CA 218,348
777-300
SO 105,323
FO 164,396
CA 255,691

Jetconnect (NZD)
B737-800
Captain

From 20 Aug 18 to 14 Apr 19: Y1 $175,520 Y2 $185,524 Y3 $189,744
From 15 Apr 19 to 12 Apr 20: Y1 $179,908 Y2 $190,162 Y3 $194,487
From 13 Apr 20 to 11 Apr 21: Y1 $184,406 Y2 $194,916 Y3 $199,349

First Officers

From 20 Aug 18 to 14 Apr 19: Y1 $100,378 Y2 $111,314 Y3 $113,847
From 15 Apr 19 to 12 Apr 20: Y1 $102,887 Y2 $114,097 Y3 $116,693
From 13 Apr 20 to 11 Apr 21: Y1 $105,459 Y2 $116,949 Y3$119,610

Jitstar NZ (NZD)
A320
CA $170,000
FO $ 93,000

"Air No Got" (thanks NCD)
Salary and tax rates are in PGK (KINA) but paid in $AUD at the exchange rate of the day. All these figures are in $AUD having been converted at an indicative exchange rate of .40c
SALARY
DH8 Captain $110,295 First Officer $47,063
400 Captain $122,088 First Officer $74,949
F100 Captain $143,958 First Officer $99,955
737 Captain $163,544 First Officer $107,746
767 Captain $174,135 First Officer $127,072
SUPERANNUATION
Nil
TAX
PNG Kina Tax figure converted to $AUD at .40c.
Tax on $28,000 is $8,564 then 40% on every dollar over $28,000 up to $99,999.
Tax on $100, 000 is $37,364 and the 42% on every dollar over $100,00.
Eg: 737 Captain will GROSS $163, 544, pay TAX of $64, 052 and NET $99,492 ($AUD8,291 / $USD6,316 per mth) without any super paid by the Company.
To put the salary into perspective: Using the figures quoted at Post 213 and the online ATO tax calculator, the ERJ 135 Captain will net $AUD 88,913 and receive $12,000 in super, a total package to $100,913 ($1,421 pa more than the PX B737 Captain).

[Berealgetreal]

I’ve done a stint of a year or more in Humanities, Science and Aviation degrees while I sorted myself out and saved the money to pay for my licence and degree. I found the Science the hardest, Aviation in the middle and Humanities the least difficult. Humanities was full of drop kicks and didn’t take half an effort.

Anyway, I think 90k for an FO on a Jet with 200 people behind him/her is pathetic as well. It is what it is and ultimately there will forever be an endless supply of children wanting to dress up and walk through the terminal thinking it looks cool. It soon wears off and before you know it the a disinterested child becomes a disinterested adult occupying both seats. You get what you pay for, my family will only be flying the top 5 carriers so I’m not concerned about burning in a smoking wreck. Besides they reckon pilotless aircraft are coming aren’t they?

[HighFives]

Kegs nice work on your info, just to add my two cents..reference Jetstar Oz EBA 2015, everybody's fortunately earning somewhat more, albeit at 75hr block months for the most part.

A320 Level 1 Capt base 200k
A320 Level 1 FO base 110k
787 SO base 82k

All plus duty or layover allowances on top, which vary across each base.

Anyone wanting numbers across any airlines, just check out Fairwork Commission website - all CURRENT EBA's listed, straight from the horses mouth.

[43Inches]

Thought I might dredge this up since there's been so much upheaval in the last two years it might be worth those in the know doing an update.

[davidclarke]

EFA hasn’t changed, as the eba has expired 3 years ago. It’s now many $1000s below the air pilot award.

[SHVC]

We are still on 2017 rates which were low to begin with so….ah well.

[DUXNUTZ]

Interested in current VA rates.

[Roj approved]

It can be found via the AFAP website if you are a member, I can’t seem to find it on the Fairwork site

The basics are:

57.5 hours Minimum guarantee per roster period

13 rosters per year

747.5hrs/year

$268/hr for Capt = $200,330 pa

$174/hr for F/O = $130,065 Pa

[fastflaps40]

Anyone know what REX 737 pay scales are?

[unobtanium]

Originally Posted by fastflaps40

Anyone know what REX 737 pay scales are?

Look up the award, wouldn't of be far off.

[Tabasco James]

Originally Posted by unobtanium

Look up the award, wouldn't of be far off.

Either way you look at it, those VA rates….terrible…and the others for that matter, compounding losses in an era of increasing inflation. You guys are worth far more.

[Mr Proach]

Originally Posted by exfocx

OMG, I think I'm gunna be sick! Christ, they talk about shiny jet syndrome, it should be whiny jet syndrome. Look at most science degrees and you get nowhere near the salary that a FO gets, let alone a captain. Don't get me wrong, don't hand it back to the company as management will only get an increased bonus, but don't whine about how hard you're doing it.
I've worked with a lot of intelligent people and they don't always make good pilots, but you'll get more who can train down as pilots than you'll train pilots up to any high end uni degree etc.

Academia is not benchmark here. Every-time a pilot takes to the sky he/she has an incalculable amount of rules and regulations which form a very firm (potentially life changing)noose around his/her neck. Pilots are scrutinised and monitored like no other profession on the planet. Many are paid very low wages and treated like absolute sh*t until they gain their first liveable pay and unless (in my day) you have wealthy parents or join the forces then all the education expenses come out of your own pocket (no gov't loans or handouts). Then there is the element of responsibility, these highly intelligent people you reference may be able to write a thesis on a smart phone while waiting is a fast food queue which is incredibly impressive but carries no real responsibility. In the aviation world one small error can lead to the loss of many lives and millions upon millions of dollars of equipment. Do you think that is worth something? Do you think that "responsibility" maybe the reason why Air traffic Controllers' salaries at busy airports base are circa 250K/year? Are your highly intelligent persons' every move continuously monitored? Are they subjected to continuous rigorous testing? Do they have to fill out detailed reports for every minor deviation that occurs in the course of their job. When you have a few spare months work your way through the labyrinth of aviation regulations and you will find all responsibility ultimately falls on the pilot. Then add to that a few thousand pages of equipment and procedural operating manuals all of which pilots are required to carry in their heads such that it can be instantly recalled whilst operating a highly complex piece of machinery in a three dimensional environment during a highly stressful event. Your comments do have some validity to the extent that pilots may not be the smartest people around because who would take on the level of responsibility, accountability and scrutiny for the peanuts that pilots are paid.

[KRviator]

Makes me glad I gave it away.

By comparison, as a Pilbara train driver - for one of the lower paying companies of the 4 up there, mind you - I have the option of one of the following gross salaries depending on roster:
2 weeks on / 4 weeks off: $114,000
2 weeks on / 2 weeks off: $165,000
2 weeks on / 1 week off: $232,500

Any production and/or safety bonuses are additional to the above and 9.5% super is paid on top of both gross & bonuses. You're also entitled to 12 weeks personal leave in any 12 month period (though that includes RDO's, so if you're 2/4 for example, it's basically two complete roster periods).

Most FIFO blokes are on 2/2, a few - including me - prioritize family time and have gone 2/4 . A Residential employee on an identical base rate working an even time (4 days on / 4 days off) roster would be on $180K gross, given the different allowances.

[Ladloy]

Originally Posted by KRviator

Makes me glad I gave it away.

By comparison, as a Pilbara train driver - for one of the lower paying companies of the 4 up there, mind you - I have the option of one of the following gross salaries depending on roster:
2 weeks on / 4 weeks off: $114,000
2 weeks on / 2 weeks off: $165,000
2 weeks on / 1 week off: $232,500

Any production and/or safety bonuses are additional to the above and 9.5% super is paid on top of both gross & bonuses. You're also entitled to 12 weeks personal leave in any 12 month period (though that includes RDO's, so if you're 2/4 for example, it's basically two complete roster periods).

Most FIFO blokes are on 2/2, a few - including me - prioritize family time and have gone 2/4 . A Residential employee on an identical base rate, working an even time (4 days on / 4 days off) roster would be on $180K gross, given the different allowances.

sign me up?

[gordonfvckingramsay]

Originally Posted by Mr Proach

Academia is not benchmark here. Every-time a pilot takes to the sky he/she has an incalculable amount of rules and regulations which form a very firm (potentially life changing)noose around his/her neck. Pilots are scrutinised and monitored like no other profession on the planet. Many are paid very low wages and treated like absolute sh*t until they gain their first liveable pay and unless (in my day) you have wealthy parents or join the forces then all the education expenses come out of your own pocket (no gov't loans or handouts). Then there is the element of responsibility, these highly intelligent people you reference may be able to write a thesis on a smart phone while waiting is a fast food queue which is incredibly impressive but carries no real responsibility. In the aviation world one small error can lead to the loss of many lives and millions upon millions of dollars of equipment. Do you think that is worth something? Do you think that "responsibility" maybe the reason why Air traffic Controllers' salaries at busy airports base are circa 250K/year? Are your highly intelligent persons' every move continuously monitored? Are they subjected to continuous rigorous testing? Do they have to fill out detailed reports for every minor deviation that occurs in the course of their job. When you have a few spare months work your way through the labyrinth of aviation regulations and you will find all responsibility ultimately falls on the pilot. Then add to that a few thousand pages of equipment and procedural operating manuals all of which pilots are required to carry in their heads such that it can be instantly recalled whilst operating a highly complex piece of machinery in a three dimensional environment during a highly stressful event. Your comments do have some validity to the extent that pilots may not be the smartest people around because who would take on the level of responsibility, accountability and scrutiny for the peanuts that pilots are paid.

BINGO!

The thing that holds us all back is the fact that what we do is not classed as a profession. This is despite us having to have formal qualifications (albeit non-university) and having all the currency and proficiency requirements, and carrying more responsibility than any other “profession” I can think of. There are few single pieces of machinery that are as expensive or complex as a jet, and none that I can think of that can contain many hundreds of lives which can be snuffed out so easily in the blink of an eye. Yet what we do is viewed as a hobby that got out of proportion rather than what it is. Airline managers have fooled regulators and the public alike into believing that all we do is sit there while something else does our job for us, and they’ve never been corrected. It is curious then that when one of us fails to intervene when the automation has a melt down, it becomes pilot error. The corporate belief that people are expensive and that the true genius lies in the boardroom has been allowed to permeate the public conscious at all levels, unabated. Nothing will change until we change it and have our profession viewed as such.

The only thing that separates me from a great brain surgeon (for example) is: if I screw up more than one person dies of which I am probably one, if other people screw up more than one person dies of which I am probably one, I can bring an entire airline down with one tiny mistake, a decision I make at 8nm per minute can cost hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars, and I deal with that responsibility all day every day while earning less than half that of a brain surgeon (for example). Airline pilot needs to be recognised as a profession and until then, we will live cap in hand and at the mercy of some accountant……which is classed as a profession.

[brokenagain]

Makes me glad I gave it away.

By comparison, as a Pilbara train driver - for one of the lower paying companies of the 4 up there, mind you - I have the option of one of the following gross salaries depending on roster:
2 weeks on / 4 weeks off: $114,000
2 weeks on / 2 weeks off: $165,000
2 weeks on / 1 week off: $232,500

Any production and/or safety bonuses are additional to the above and 9.5% super is paid on top of both gross & bonuses. You're also entitled to 12 weeks personal leave in any 12 month period (though that includes RDO's, so if you're 2/4 for example, it's basically two complete roster periods).

Most FIFO blokes are on 2/2, a few - including me - prioritize family time and have gone 2/4 . A Residential employee on an identical base rate working an even time (4 days on / 4 days off) roster would be on $180K gross, given the different allowances.

Which is all great…..if you want to drive trains. You seem obsessed with telling everyone how good you have it driving a train and how glad you are that you gave flying away. Good for you! Everyone I know who managed to get a job on the trains during covid is back flying now, even with the pay cut. Are you sure you’re not looking for the Professional Train Drivers Rumour Network?

[neville_nobody]

Look at most science degrees and you get nowhere near the salary that a FO gets,

Well depends on what you are doing though, if you have a Maths/computing/finance type of science degree you are going to beat most pilots in a career. You are also generally promoted into management where you start getting paid big money. You can’t compare a graduate’s salary to a airline FO because you don’t walk off the street into a FO seat. Compare someone with a science degree and 10 years experience with the FO and see what the comparison is.

[WillieTheWimp]

AJ has a STEM degree and he gets paid more than me...I think!