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Old 8th Aug 2016, 03:00
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Have you seen GA wages in this century? 75k/year in a jet beats 50k/year getting flogged in some piston
Actually its $57500 for flying a Jet. Utterly Pathetic. Thats less than what I was getting paid in my last couple of years flying Piston twins around a DECADE ago! (yes, those jobs are out there).

The 'Endorsement Cost" is actually real money (money you could invest in a nice safe ETF or LIC and be very pleased with in 20 or 30 years time), and as has been argued on Prune ad-nauseum over the years, a cost that should be born by the company and secured by Bonding an individual. No more, no less. Something 'Pilots' (I'll use that term nice and loosely for those that value themselves so lowly) with SJS seem to be blind to unfortunately.

There are jobs out there paying far (far, FAR) better than this. Jobs that are both in GA, and a step up from GA (Regionals, Customs, RFDS, and yes, other jet operators), and they don't ask the employee to bear the operational expenses of running the business, i.e; training your staff.


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Old 8th Aug 2016, 11:15
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Extrashot seems to have had a double hit of methadone here....

While you may not agree with what they pay, they have given plenty of turboprop guys their first crack at a jet which can be demoralizingly hard to achieve in this country.

At least its better than the US RJ jockeys
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 15:56
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Actually, what they are Paying is fair enough for the Aircraft type, the operation, etc. That is, before the 'mandatory' salary sacrifice is taken out and as a result you drop below the minimum Air Pilot award rates ( Minimum salary + turbojet addition to minimum + copilot instrument addition = early/mid $60's for this aircraft type, no? Why not just pay that for your F/O's then?).

What I don't find acceptable is People paying (or Companies charging, however you want to look at it), to get the job, thus for the first two years your take home pay becomes less than a City Bus driver (actually $75K probably is as well, good on the Bus Drivers).

I understand that this was the industry norm a decade ago. To be principled about it meant you missed out. Now, through no shortage of hard work and invaluable time spent away from their families, Pilot reps around the country (Jetstar, Cobham, VirginÖ just to name a few), have managed to make it largely a thing of the past. The trade off might be that in some companies you might start on a lower wage for a few years, but its ABOVE the minimum award rates.

Then after all of that effort, that people would still be willing to Pay an enormous amount of good money for a pretty useless endorsement - with a company thats still not completely out of its start up phase - just so you can fly a jet...

That they pay above the McDonald-esque rates of the US Regionals is no justification. Well, not to me anyway. Cheers all.
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Old 25th Aug 2016, 07:26
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Hey, I have been searching for the answer for a few hours now, with no luck.
Could someone please let me know what the VA NZ Eba is on the 737 ?
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Old 25th Aug 2016, 23:33
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39 ANNUAL BASE SALARY
39.1 Pilots shall be paid in accordance with the following table:
Level 2013 (Year1) 2014 (Year2) 2015 (Year3)
Captain Level 1 $153,506 $161,181 $172,464
Captain Level 2 $161,318 $169,384 $181,241
Captain Level 3 $169,131 $177,588 $190,019
First Officer Level 1 $90,267 $94,780 $101,415
First Officer Level 2 $97,446 $102,318 $109,480
First Officer Level 3 $104,730 $109,967 $117,664
3% 5% 7%

NZ$

http://vipa.asn.au/wp-content/upload...-CEA-FINAL.pdf
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Old 26th Aug 2016, 01:46
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Virgin 737 NZ - Do first year external FO's only get 65% of year 1 & Bonded?
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Old 14th Sep 2016, 07:02
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Originally Posted by atlas12 View Post
Viewsonic, YES. I took this option, the pay is abysmal. I would suggest just paying the 30k upfront and being done with it as the company is very confused about the bonding arrangements.
From this and your other posts, it doesn't seem it took you long to start complaining about working at VA.
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Old 14th Sep 2016, 10:15
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atlas 12.

If you are so unhappy I will swap jobs with you. Come and fly a clapped out C152 and I will fly your shiny jet.
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Old 18th Sep 2016, 23:10
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VA don't salary sacrifice any more.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 03:05
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Time for an update of these all important stats I reckon, given the few EBA's recently voted down and the pilot-supply crisis (discuss that at length on other threads please, not here).

It won't be anywhere near the Chinese contract increases (or even Ryanair's) and I'd be surprised with anything other than the usual "CPI" adjustments, as Australian airlines still have their head in the sand with arogance.

Anyway, handing-over...
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 04:32
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Australian airlines still have their head in the sand with arogance.
You're the only one with your head in the sand. Your wage is determined by market forces, there is no jedi conspiracy at play against you. Ryanair isn't increasing wages because they felt sorry for the pilots, the supply shortage forced their hand. Chinese contracts aren't for the sums they are because of the wonderful unions in action there.

If someone is prepared to do your job for less than you and at the minimum acceptable standard (not hard for a pilot) then there will be downward pressure on your wage. And that has been the reality for a long time now.

Perhaps the trend will reverse due to the reduction in supply currently enveloping the industry but to suggest that a failure for rapid wage growth is due to 'airlines having their heads in the sand' is entirely myopic.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 23:50
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Thanks for contributing to the data with your diatribe mate and thanks for supporting my contention with exactly what I was talking about with Ryanair & China.
I'm well versed on the economics & mechanisms at play, from both behind the yoke & behind the desk and need no lecture thanks from some apparent "manager" feeling the pinch due to cancelled services or no 457 approvals.
The rest of the globe has realised the supply drought and yes, it has happened already and getting worse, not "is developing"... just take a look at all the cancelled services & "rescheduling" around Australia this week! Anyway, this is for another thread as I said.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 00:52
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QANTAS
767 Captain - $227,760
737 F/O - $114,000
Longhaul Min Guarantee is 160 hours and 6 1/2 rosters per year. Add 27.5 hours for mandatory training. 1067.5 hours.
Effective 1 Jul 18
Second Officer
A380.............................. B744.............................. A330
1. 91.58/ $97.6K..............1. 91.58/ $97.6K.............. 1. 91.58/ $97.6K.
2a. 98.01/ $104.6K...........2a. 98.01/ $104.6K........... 2a. 98.01/ $104.6K
2b. 126.22/ $134.7K.........2b. 120.21/ $128.3K.......... 2b. 114.51/ 122.2K
3. 132.89/ $141.9K...........3. 126.56/ $135.1K........... 3. 120.47/ $128.6K
Hourly rates go up 2-3% each year until year 12.
Individual fleet divisors may change. A330 currently 160. A380 currently 180.
Avg O/T per BP
50*...................................... 29.................................3
First Officer.
Using Year 12 rate only as that’s what they’re all on.
Using 160 min guarantee. Most divisors between 175- 185
A380.......................... B744.......................... A330.
215.18/ $229.7K.......... 204.93/ $218.8K......... 195.15/ $208.3K
Average O/T
46*.............................. 23.............................. 3.
Captain
Divisor and notes as per F/O
A380........................... B744............................ A330
326.07/ $348.1K........... 310.55/ $331.5K............ 295.76/ $315.7K
Average o/t
45*............................... 25.................................3.
* Note that the 380 o/t numbers will decrease dramatically when the 380 reverts to one LHR flight via SIN. Likely to be closer to 30.

Virgin Australia
VAI:
New pay for A330/B777 as follows:
Capt (+9.5% super)
July 17 $272,986 ($298,919)
July 18 $283,868 ($310,835)
July 19 $291,674 ($319,383)
FO (65% of Capt)
July 17 $177,440 ($194,287)
July 18 $184,513 ($202,042)
July 19 $198,588 ($207,598)
SO (53% of FO)
July 17 $94,043 ($102,977)
July 18 $97,792 ($107,082)
July 19 $100,481 ($110,027)
OT trigger at 75.25 hours per 28 day roster (at Capt $321/330/339hr, FO $209/215/221hr, SO $111/114/117 hr). Minimum credit guarantee of 5 hours for work on any day which includes paxing when in association with a flight duty pairing. Plus some other technicalities and adjustments.
New base rates for B737: (super not included)
Capt.
July 2017 $227,904
July 2018 $233,023
July 2019 $239,440
FO Level 1 / 2 / 3
July 2017 $125,347/$136,742/$148,138
July 2018 $128,167/$139,819/$151,471
July 2019 $131,692/$143,664/$155,637
OT trigger at 68.25 hrs per 28 day RP.


TIGER/JETSTAR A320 RATES 2014

TIGER CAPTAIN
Base $171,000 + EFA $140 + Retention $10,000
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $181,000
682hrs $195,700
787hrs $210,000
900hrs $226,220

JETSTAR CAPTAIN
Base $163,418 + EFA $207.65 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $163,418
682hrs $163,418
787hrs $163,418
900hrs $186,882

TIGER FO Level 3
Base $114,570 + EFA $70 + Retention $6,667
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $121,237
682hrs $128,587
787hrs $135,937
900hrs $143,847

JETSTAR FO Level 3
Base $106,222 + EFA $134,97 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $106,222
682hrs $106,222
787hrs $106,222
900hrs $121,473

TIGER FO Level 2
Base $109,440 + EFA $70 + Retention $6,667
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $116,107
682hrs $123,457
787hrs $130,807
900hrs $138,717

JETSTAR FO Level 2
Base $98,051 + EFA $124.59 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $98,051
682hrs $98,051
787hrs $98,051
900hrs $112,129

TIGER FO Level 1
Base $94,050 + EFA $70 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $94,050
682hrs $101,400
787hrs $108,750
900hrs $116,660

JETSTAR FO Level 1
Base $89,880 + EFA $114.21 + Retention NIL
Estimated Earnings;
577hrs $89,880
682hrs $89,880
787hrs $89,880
900hrs $102,785

Strategic
A320 F/O - $113,000

Cobham
B717 Captain - $158,500*
B717 F/O - $85,250 up to $100,750 after year 5
BAe 146 Captain - $158,000*
BAe 146 F/O - $85,250 up to $100,750 after year 5
DHC-8 Captain - $78,255
DHC-8 F/O - $46,940
Coastwatch DHC-8 Captain ~ 130,000
Coastwatch DHC-8 F/O ~ 78,000

Alliance
F100 Captain - $122,675
F100 F/O - $82,819
F50 Captain ?
F50 F/O ?

Skywest/VARA
A320 Captain - $165,000
A320 F/O - $107,250
F100 Captain - $128,848
F100 F/O - $83,751
F50 Captain - $97,244
F50 F/O - $63,209

Qantaslink
Q400 Captain - $92,863
Q400 F/O - $60,361
Q300/Q200 Captain - $86,789
Q300/Q200 F/O - $56,466

RrrrrrrrrExxyyyyyy
Base rates years 1-10 as of July 1 2016
F/O 54,000 - 66,000
Capt 89,000 - 109,000
+2.5% per year until 2018

"The new Aero-Duck"
BAe32 Captain - $64,862
BAe32 F/O - $46,559

RFDS
QLD - B200, PC12, C208 Line pilot - Tier 1 $93784 Tier 2 $104817

Skippers
DHC-8 Captain -$89,168
DHC-8 F/O - $55,000*
E120 Captain - $88,816
E120 F/O - $55,000*
SA227 Captain - $70,855
SA227 F/O - $42,537

Brindabella (R.I.P.)
J41 Captain - $69,000
J41 F/O - $46,000
Metro Captain - $57,000
Metro F/O - $38,000

Express Freighters Australia
B737 Captain - $120,000
B737 F/O - $75,000
B767 Captain - $170,000
B767 F/O - $110,000

Pionair

Airnorth
E170 Captain - ?
E170 F/O - 94,200
E120 Captain - ?
E120 F/O - ?
SA227 Captain - ?
SA227 F/O - ?

Skytrans
DHC-8 Captain - ?
DHC-8 F/O - ?

Network
F100 Captain - $140,000
F100 F/O - $85,000
E120 Captain - $85,000
E120 F/O - $55,000

Sharp Aviation
Metro Cpt -?
metro FO - ?

Hardy's
Metro Captain - $75,000
Metro F/O - $52,000
C441 Captain - $70,000

Careflight
$122,000 + +

JETGO
ERJ135 Captain $122,000 plus allowances plus 10% Super
FO $75,000 plus same
Endorsement Salary sacrificed at around $35K over two years.

VANZ (previously Pac Blue)
Captain Level 1 $176,776
Captain Level 2 $185,772
Captain Level 3 $194,765
First Officer Level 1 $103,950
First Officer Level 2 $112,217
First Officer Level 3 $120,606

Air EnZid (NZD)
B737-300
CA $142,800
FO $96,200
A320
CA $169,800
FO $110,100
B767
CA $185,800
FO $120,400
SO $96,200
B787
CA $203,100
FO $131,600
SO $96,200
B77-200ER
CA $219,200
FO $142,100
B777-300ER
CA $236,800
FO $153,500
SO $96,200
B747
CA $240,700
FO $156,000
SO $96,200

JitConnict (NZD)
B737
CA $160,600
FO $ 91,900

Jitstar NZ (NZD)
A320
CA $170,000
FO $ 93,000

"Air No Got" (thanks NCD)
Salary and tax rates are in PGK (KINA) but paid in $AUD at the exchange rate of the day. All these figures are in $AUD having been converted at an indicative exchange rate of .40c
SALARY
DH8 Captain $110,295 First Officer $47,063
400 Captain $122,088 First Officer $74,949
F100 Captain $143,958 First Officer $99,955
737 Captain $163,544 First Officer $107,746
767 Captain $174,135 First Officer $127,072
SUPERANNUATION
Nil
TAX
PNG Kina Tax figure converted to $AUD at .40c.
Tax on $28,000 is $8,564 then 40% on every dollar over $28,000 up to $99,999.
Tax on $100, 000 is $37,364 and the 42% on every dollar over $100,00.
Eg: 737 Captain will GROSS $163, 544, pay TAX of $64, 052 and NET $99,492 ($AUD8,291 / $USD6,316 per mth) without any super paid by the Company.
To put the salary into perspective: Using the figures quoted at Post 213 and the online ATO tax calculator, the ERJ 135 Captain will net $AUD 88,913 and receive $12,000 in super, a total package to $100,913 ($1,421 pa more than the PX B737 Captain).


Thanks for your updates and PM's, people
Happy Landings

Last edited by Chocks Away; 12th Feb 2018 at 06:32. Reason: Updating continuosly.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 01:09
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Rex Captains on 89k - 109k and FO's are 54k - 66k, spread through years 1 to 10.

Easy to make 150-200k with overtime at the moment.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 01:10
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Does anyone have the Qantas info?
They donít have 767s anymore and Iíd suggest that those 737 figures are massively underestimating that everyone I know is complaining about being over worked but no one doesnít like the pay.

114k? Iím happy to be corrected
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 01:15
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Some of those figures are just plain wrong. May I suggest that before posting, you check the numbers with the FWC website, Chocks Away.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 01:21
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Aussie FO,

Yeah those numbers are certainly off the mark but it's hard to give an apples to apples comparison figure as the 737 minimum guaranteed hours are so low compared to actual hours flown. However, with an EBA coming up later this year I think it may be best if people don't start talking up the pay figures they are on as it may be used against us down the track.
Just my opinion.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 01:23
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Which ones C'Bloggs? Tell us.
Many are old figures Bloggs I know but I'm just going off all the data I'm sent and what people are putting up here... it's a constantly evolving template which stagnated for awhile. Don't shoot the messenger.
Yep Beer Baron noted. Just base rates planned to be here only, not "guaranteed hours" or Cinderella stories used to attract crew. We know Overtime is always available and even more so now and in the future, IF you want it. It's a sounding board to educate others on their place in the market especially when negotiations are due with this supply shortfall, plus a useful tool to crunch the numbers with before taking a job offer or otherwise.

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Old 31st Jan 2018, 01:39
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Wow Strategic pay well! I think Iíll apply there...

How old are these numbers?! LOL!
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 01:47
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Don't shoot the messenger.
I won't shoot you, just call it as it is: Fake News. That's worse than not putting it up at all.

Sciolists come to mind...
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