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Old 10th Mar 2011, 22:18
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Skywest advertises for ATR East Coast crews

In today's Australian Skywest are advertising for the following ATR positions;

Training and Checking Captains
Fleet Manager
Manager Line Ops
Line Captains
First Officers

Looks like they are looking for time on type.
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Old 10th Mar 2011, 22:28
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Can you copy and paste the add here mate? Would be interesting to see what their minimum requirements are and how they differ from Virgin Blue's. Cheers.
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Old 10th Mar 2011, 23:04
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Australian Federation of Air Pilots - test page - 2

its here
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Old 10th Mar 2011, 23:12
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East Coast based ATR72 flight crew;

ATR72 Training and Checking Captains
ATR72 Fleet Manager
ATR72 Manager of Line Operations
ATR72 Line Captains
ATR72 First Officers

It is essential for applicants to meet the following critera;
Australian ATPL or eligible for an Australian ATPL under the Trans Tasman Mutual Agreement
For Training and Checking positions, ATR Simulator Training and Checking qualifications
Recent ATR experience (within previous two years)

That's it, looks like they are targeting Mount Cook pilots and Toll Pilots. The last requirement for Recent ATR experience doesn't really say if it applies to Line Capts and FO's positions, if it does it will knock out most pilots who wanted to get in early.
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 00:39
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Terms and conditions????
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 00:52
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New trend Hans.

Advertise for position before publishing conditions.
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 00:59
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That's it, looks like they are targeting Mount Cook pilots and Toll Pilots.
Rather. I do believe that Heavilift had some 42-300's as well.
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 01:04
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Sorry Homejames, forgot about Heavylift.
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 02:56
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Initial commands will first go to the guys in skywest perth who want to move, up to 10 i believe (seniority sys), then external guys with exp on similiar sizes - esp command. Then there is the checkies.

Unless u have any of that, prob expect to be an FO for quite a while. then at anytime if a guy from perth wants to come over for a command they will get it before u, again seniority - a lot of perth guys are waiting to see how it goes then most east for a direct command in 12 mths or so.

good luck to all who get in
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 03:31
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no internal advertising or information being given to current drivers over west...

Might be attempting the usual divide and conquer tactics. Or could be just seeking out the loose experience before coming back to guys wanting to switch...
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 03:59
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Before we all get too excited, consider how this may work.

Virgin contract Skywest to do the flying, WHY? Because they will do it cheaper than Virgin will, along the same lines as Cobham/Qantas.
Skywest have to make a buck so even though they are providing crews at a reduced rate to Virgin, Skywest will still have to make a buck and that comes through reduced terms and conditions. One would expect at least 10% less than if Virgin employed you, probably closer to 25%+

I would expect, but don't know, that the ATR will be under a completely different AOC and probably different business unit. The different AOC protects the company in the event of problems. i.e. Bending an ATR or an old F100 will not bring the whole pack of cards down.

So what will that mean to us pilots?
Terms and conditions will probably be considerably lower than Skywest Airlines are currently on.
Maybe there will be absolutely no progression from one part of the company to another. The Cobham guys employed over the last 5 yrs approx, on the 146/Dash8 are not entitled to change to the 717 and vice versa as they are seperate entities.
Along with independent business units will come completely different agreements, if your lucky the TWU will get in their and provide some protection. I hope so and good luck!
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 04:25
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You could be on to something RENURRP re the T & C as I have heard some numbers for Captains pay and it is less than current FK50 pay.

Xcel, any idea from crew room talk how many guys would put their hand up for a command on the East Coast?
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 04:29
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Whats the current FK50 pay packet then?
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 04:45
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It wont be less than the F50 pay. From wat ive heard company wants fleet pay - ie ATRs will be at same rate as F50s. And pilot body is going for an increase in pay for the ATRs - given its bigger, then maybe bringing F50 up to that for fleet pay
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 04:54
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Thanks for clearing that up 10000FT, I did find it hard to beleive the pay would be less considering how good the current EBA and all the work the Skywest Pilot body has done. If the 72 does replace the FK50 in the west than you would think they pay would go up to match the size of the aircraft.

Current First year FK50 Captain is on a base of $97,244 and this will increase to $101,134 on the 1st of July.
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 04:55
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Do u know how long it takes to get an AOC?

Won't they have to employ an new HOFO, MOLO etc?
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 05:11
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Do u know how long it takes to get an AOC?
Yes I do know, first hand.
I have been well and truly involved in new high capacity AOC.

They also have to add the ATR to their current AOC and that is no small task either.

I didn't say it would happen, I said it may.
I watch this site am amused that any thing that sounds good is immediately swallowed with the ensuing excitement, often only to be dissapointed shortly after. Don't believe anything to do with aviation until you are sitting in the flight deck starting the engines, and then hope it lasts.

All the "i've heard"s above are simply runour until the ink dries. Most of all wonder why Virgin would out source the crewing if they could do it themselves. Answer $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Skywest are simply a crewing/engineering company in this deal.

All I am saying is relax and wait, because things may not be what you imagine them to be.
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I watch this site am amused that any thing that sounds good is immediately swallowed with the ensuing excitement, often only to be dissapointed shortly after.
And then there are the doom merchants who jump up and down that the world is caving in and everyone will be employed on J* Cambodia T's & C's. Works both ways mate, almost better to say nothing at all really...

Also what exactly do you mean by-
One would expect at least 10% less than if Virgin employed you, probably closer to 25%+
Do you mean if employed on an e-jet? Then yes you are pretty spot on, I wouldn't expect to be paid the same to fly an ATR as an e-jet.
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All the "i've heard"s above are simply runour until the ink dries. Most of all wonder why Virgin would out source the crewing if they could do it themselves. Answer $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Virgin contract Skywest to do the flying, WHY? Because they will do it cheaper than Virgin will, along the same lines as Cobham/Qantas.
Skywest have to make a buck so even though they are providing crews at a reduced rate to Virgin, Skywest will still have to make a buck and that comes through reduced terms and conditions. One would expect at least 10% less than if Virgin employed you, probably closer to 25%+
It's not often that I disagree with you, RENURPP, but in this instance I have to say you're incorrect.

Without going into commercial-in-confidence, I can assure you that the flying was not outsourced as a first priority, and certainly not for the reasons you allude to.
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 07:19
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I'm more than happy to be wrong. I have absolutely no knowledge of what is planned.
I did only say may, I didn't say it would happen as I suggested.

No need to get upset. Time will tell of course.
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