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Old 19th Jan 2011, 10:08
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New destinations for V Australia

Rumours floating around of possible new destinations and extra aircraft.
Hong kong rumour has been floating for a while and SFO has been the talk for the last week as QF is pulling off the route and it links up well with virgin america and atlantic also another T7 maybe this year? anybody else hearing anything different................

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Old 19th Jan 2011, 22:24
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vancouver i heard awhile back..
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Old 19th Jan 2011, 23:52
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Nice to see the new entrant starting their own rumour mill re new destinations.
Dallas was rumoured in QF for about 25 years..of course, it hasn't started yet but..... And then there was Chicago; I think one service went there before we pulled out.
The destination rumours helped many a long hour pass on long haul sectors.
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Old 19th Jan 2011, 23:58
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What about Haneda?
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Hey Neville.
Would be interested to know the depth of your knowledge of the economics of the 777.
If it isn't good for aus/asia, perhaps you should be selling your expertise to Cathay, Asiana, KAL, China Southern, Malaysian, and Singapore and PAL. All of whom periodically operate 777's to Aus and NZ. Could be others too, but that's probably enough to make the point.

FWIIW. 777 payload/range capability shifts, around the 12 hour mark. Give or take a bit for the various models. ( Longer, payload drops to accommodate the fuel : Shorter and payload becomes landing weight limited.)

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Old 20th Jan 2011, 02:26
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It doesn't matter how far you fly it. If you can fill it up to anywhere near MZFW then you'll make pretty good money. V expect to make a profit on it at around 220T.
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Old 20th Jan 2011, 02:33
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Exactly.
Have operated 200 and 300's on shorthaul domestic. Always full and making gazillions. Also operated them on 6 hour sectors with a full belly and full pax. But then again there is no money in freight is there, is there??

Extra long sectors is where they excel, but they are good at shorter ranges as well.

330 may be a bit cheaper and therefore more suited to skinny routes, but if you have the bum's the 777 is a far better proposition. Try travelling in the back of a 330/340 for anything more than a couple of hours and see how it feels.
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MAUI - Ive never seen a CX 777 in Aus or NZ....
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Old 20th Jan 2011, 03:26
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You can add Thai & JAL to the list of 777's into Aus
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Old 20th Jan 2011, 03:47
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Thinklongandhard.

T'was big, green and white, looked for all the world like a 777, but
I've only been flying them for 10 years so maybe I was mistaken.

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Sorry to bruise the ego, Maui... maybe the big green and white aircraft you saw was Eva Air. Unless it was a one off, i have never seen a scheduled CX 777 fly to Aus! I have been travelling back to Aus for well over 20 Years, and unfortunately for the past 15 years have been stuck on the Bus. It would be great to have the tripler as an option... i would get home quicker and have more seats to choose from!

Then again, you have been flying it for 10 years.... you MUST know more!
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Been away from work for a bit, but the last I heard was the possability that the BNE - AUH may transit SIN...

Thats all I got

As a new entrant airline to the asia route, I think we would stuggle to fill the 777 without substantial on-carriage from an established network airline partnership. That would be the only way you would see the 777 and not the A330 doing Asia with a dirty big Virgin on the tail... SQ,CX, MH, QF, EK, EY, KE, JL, BA all use high capacity wide bodies but have built up customer bases and widespread networks (many, now suppliment A380/747/777's with A330's/767's to enable increased frequency).

New entrant airlines like many of the Chinese carriers (and even EK, and EY just a couple of years ago) used smaller capacity wide bodies like the 330 and 340 to establish the routes they sought to build.

All depends on who VBH can get into bed with to sell tickets for us to suppliment a relatively new customer base in Oz.

So, with regard to the 777 being the right airline for Asia; I agree, it is not and, I agree that it is... Bi-partisan enough for y'all?

With regards to new destinations on top of a potential SIN stop on the way to AUH, I don't reckon anything will happen for a while yet. There will be new orders for the 777 to enable daily SYD-AUH, more frequency on the BNE-AUH and the introduction of MEL-AUH aswell as increasing MEL-LAX and BNE-LAX first. I make it about 4 more frames to enable that alone; and a couple of years to bed the existing routes in before decent further expansion.

At one of the roadshows many months ago, there was one statement above all others (maybe except for "I just wish I could tell you how good this new product at VB is going to be, but you will just have to wait and see... Damn it is good!") that stil stays in my head today, and may lend a clue to the growth potential of the 777 operation. He said, "I have never seen an airline go broke by having not enough planes, but I have seen plenty go broke by having too many..." He'll get the routes right first, one by one, before launching a Branson style (ironic heh) attack on the WORLD!!!

But, what would I know...

The 330 will be the growth vehicle for new destinations... Mark my words
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Photos: Boeing 777-367 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

It appears there were numerous CX B773 flights to MEL around the same time

Now... can we get back on the V Australia track?
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i stand corrected!
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Borghetti said in an ASX statement round about...June last year that long haul crew would do long haul and short haul crew would do medium and short haul
Great in theory but then all the medium haul guys left PB and went to J*. A better idea is to allow all pilots to move to which ever op suits their lifestyle the best thus having less turn over. I"ll wake up from my dream now..

The BIG Question is:
Who is the Asian partner?

I'll go out on a massive punt and say Singapore Airlines and Tiger becomes the low cost ally!

Ok ready to be shot down got my bullet proof vest on. Load your rifles.
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Fools.They couldnt turn a profit if their life's depended on it. Absolute scramble in the village to find ways of making money rather than losing it. Why dont they buy an Antanov and freight manure to the Solomons as that is about the only other option for them to turn a profit, as none of their other enterprises work well. How long have shareholders shares sat below $0.60 now since the float years and years ago at $2.65 ??
Time to get rid of theose at the helm of this gravy train and time to bring in somebody who can do more than rape the profits from the place for their own executive pockets. Where are all their Mcdonalds graduates now ?
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Old 20th Jan 2011, 06:12
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There'd have to be a lot in that deal for SIA to even think about it. What? Tarnish their 'beautiful airline' image with the likes of DJ?
DJ is a skidmark to SIA. The only hope would be for SIA to buy out DJ and bury the brand, lock stock and barrell. SIN cannot be matchd or equalled by a lemon outfit like Virgin. SIA has quality planes, impeccable service and superb flight attendants, whereas DJ has an ageing fleet, pathetic service and cabin crew these days that look like they just ate a Goodyear Blimp.No comparison. Plus SIA is a professionaly mangaged outfit compared with DJ's mix of brown nosers and Mcdonalds workers running it. SIA makes money and does it well, DJ pads the pockets of managers while running at a continual loss for shareholders.
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The BIG Question is:
Who is the Asian partner?
Well it now appears to be a Tasman partner!
Air New Zealand buys stake in Virgin Blue
Air New Zealand has bought a substantial stake in budget carrier Virgin Blue and plans to raise that stake to between 10 per cent and 14.99 per cent.
The little game is on again..... Ansett 2?
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Old 20th Jan 2011, 06:36
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It seems that New Zealand may soon be a new source of passengrs for VA.
VBA shares up 10% today on breaking news.
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Short Circuit.

Plus Royal Brunei and in days gone by Lauda/Austrian
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