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DJ Turboprops announced in Skywest tie up

Old 26th Feb 2011, 01:12
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The ATR has 1 tonne less usefull load than a Q400.
Doesn't really matter as it doesn't burn as much as a Capesize freighter!

Carries 1 tonne less fuel at max load.
Once again, a difference in fuel burn of 400kg/hr will see this neutralised.

And does all this at a conservative 60 knots slower.
See above.
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Old 26th Feb 2011, 06:44
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With 4 ATR`s by July i`d hazard a guess they`ll be replacing some of the E170 shorter hops on a one-for-one basis.
From Flightglobal:
"The ATR will form the foundation of our regional network plans, with the first six ATRs replacing our current Embraer E170 fleet and the additional aircraft flying to new regional destinations," Borghetti says.
Virgin Blue's new ATR72s to arrive from May
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 11:36
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The airline will wet-lease the aircraft from West Australia operator SkyWest under an agreement announced last month.

Skywest in turn will lease the aircraft from leasing company Avation with an initial term of ten years.
I don't quite understand this? Why not lease direct from the leasing company Avation? Wouldn't it be cheaper to do so, than go through a third party?
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 11:53
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Why not lease direct?

Guess this way they can tap into the Skywest training org; plus the exposure to secure routes in WA, plus FIFO. Aint got nothing to do with big airplanes, but it seems logical to me.

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Old 27th Feb 2011, 13:13
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I don't quite understand this? Why not lease direct from the leasing company Avation? Wouldn't it be cheaper to do so, than go through a third party?
Because that is how Skywest's owners makes money. They have a company that owns all the aircraft and leases them out at a higher than market rate. That way they make all their profits out of leasing aircraft and as a result Skywest don't make alot of money. So come EBA time the company cries poor claiming that 'times are tough' for Skywest. Meanwhile the owners are cleaning up on the lease of the aircraft.

Smart way of operating really.
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 23:53
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i dunno'. Seems like robbing from Peter to pay Paul to me!

But what would I know?
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 02:11
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OK I have from very good authority;

-Small number of initial check and training Captains on secondment from Skywest

-10 to 20 initial direct entry crews, 28K up front for ATR endorsement to be done in Thailand (with subsidised accomodation and airfares)

-Announcement very soon regarding Skywest/Virgin Cadetship to supply 3/4 of the FOs by the middle of next year. NO progression into Skywest but more than likely FOs (cadets) able to move onto the virgin fleet after 3 years.

-Cadetship to cost 130k, half up front with 7 year return of service. Deal just about done with a well known Western Australian flying training operator...

-FOs 45-60k

-Captains 90-110k

watch this space...

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Old 28th Feb 2011, 02:40
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good luck getting pilots with that deal. Its disgusting.
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 03:44
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Interesting rumour today about a Qantas liveried company operating F100s on the East Coast replacing some of the Q400s. Not a current Qantaslink operator. Could be trouble brewing perhaps?
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 06:39
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$110K to fly a turboprop. Surely thats the best turboprop wage in Australia? Or am I mistaken?
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 06:45
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Not if you're already a Captain on a Skywest F50!
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 06:47
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How about 120+ to fly a 328.
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 07:06
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Clearly I was mistaken
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 07:54
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Interesting rumour today about a Qantas liveried company operating F100s on the East Coast replacing some of the Q400s. Not a current Qantaslink operator. Could be trouble brewing perhaps?

Now that may refer to the negotiations going on with Alliance becoming a wholy owned division of Qantas. Expect an announcement very soon. Their aircraft are not in Qantas colours, but many flights are operated as Qantaslink.
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 07:55
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Needless to say the figures quoted by Compypilot are yet to be confirmed, but I must say I'm not surprised. The employment of cadets, frankly is something I didn't see coming, but on reflection it does fit the modern airline management's M.O.

Captains will be interesting, obviously the quoted pay falls short of what current Skywest drivers are getting, or will the "Chosen few" come over on bigger bucks to train whoever is gullible enough to go for a DEC! Please guys show some integrity.

But $130K! for a turbo-prop Cadetship, Holy Snap'n Ducksh!t Batman!

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Old 28th Feb 2011, 08:39
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Or it could mean some or all of the 10 F100's Network are getting are for the East Coast.

Green gorilla that's good dollars, where do I sign up?
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 10:34
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cadets, brave move considering senate inq going on & 1500hr rule may not be to far around the corner.
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 11:06
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-Small number of initial check and training Captains on secondment from Skywest
What do you mean on secondment from Skywest? I thought Skywest were operating all of them?

Sounds like a "low pay wind-up" type of reply to me, and the whole bit about cadets/progression into the different companies sounds like crap!
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 12:22
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Complete windup. Move on nothing factual to be seen here.
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Old 28th Feb 2011, 23:42
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Aussie Aviator i dont doubt that talks between Alliance and Qantas are occurring but these F100 flights to both ROK and sometimes MKY are because the Q400'S have fallen over.

Gafa you are spot on i reckon only 4 F100's of Network will be WA based the rest will find homes in BNE,TSVor CNS and ADL.

With the opening up of 3 massive mines in the Galilee basin near Alpha next year will require between 5,000 and 7,000 fly in fly out jobs.A new jet airport at Alpha is planned.Also the massive LNG projects at GLT and RMA will involve more FIFO flights.
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