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DJ Turboprops announced in Skywest tie up

Old 21st Feb 2011, 23:28
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and a merged seniority list with pac blue is?
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Old 21st Feb 2011, 23:42
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I see your point but nobody kicked up a stink at the time and now it is going ahead like it or not (In fact most didn't give a shit cause it was "just a turbo prop"). Now that courses have been cancelled we should pay attention?

Unless the respective unions get a deal with the big cheese saying that the turbo prop division can have career progression within VB then it won't be an option. I haven't heard one person even talk about it. Remember though it goes both ways and we can't complain when XR people turn up on our door step knocking for a 73 job.

Personally I am in favour of it as it will quickly attract significant numbers of quality applicants for the operation AND will allow the likes of speedjet to go and do what he/she wants careerwise.

Guess my post was more about ME afterall. Hey maybe all the jet FO guys will drop everything to go and fly a prop... (maybe I'm the odd one out! Wouldn't be the first time!!)

As for merging seniority lists consider what would happen if XR's got merged into VB. There's a few boys over there I suspect would have some massive years of service.
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Old 22nd Feb 2011, 00:05
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And that's the problem at VB, unless it affects the 737 flying no one seems to care. Yep it may only be turboprop flying now but whats next? Some of the routes the turboprops will operate on are currently operated by the Ejet. This means less flying for the Ejet which equals less commands. Skywest operate the F100 and the A320 and both types could take more flying away from VB. An extreme example would be for them to do all the flying in WA, which would mean the loss of the PH base.

When QF and Impulse came together it started out as a wet lease, with the 717 and 1900's operating on routes for QF, and look at what has happened 9-10 years down the track.

We has a group need to stand together and protect all flying, not just 737 flying. And I don't support the current plan for integration as it doesn't help anyone who joined in the last 4-4 years.
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Old 22nd Feb 2011, 00:18
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I agree with you but unless it affects the top half of the seniority list it doesn't get a mention. Have you noticed that?

Funny "representation".

As for the V Regional its way late to start trying now. Should have been done at the start.

In the meantime has one pilot been recruited? What type is it? And what is the pay deal? I'm predicting an almighty cluster.

Every captain I know who is approaching their 30 months already have the application in for a 737 slot.
Hhmm perhaps alot reevaluated when a)the 170s were put for sale and b)vregional was announced.
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Old 22nd Feb 2011, 01:37
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Sure have, they are all focused on the 777 and A330. Suddenly the company comes out and announces a 10 year agreement with Skywest for turboprops with no consultation from any of the pilot groups on the effect this would have.

It's great for Skywest and they do have a good EBA which is a start. Perhaps the unions need to look at a plan that should the 190s go and there are no positions within VB or V for the Ejet pilots then they will be offered positions at Skywest, which would be better than no job at all. All of this needs to be looked at now rather than when it happens, after all look at what happened in 08 /09.
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Are we now heading towards the US system of regional airline flying with the 'group' colours yet the aircraft are operated by another contract company.

Watch for a B scale !
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Old 22nd Feb 2011, 02:09
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Carefull with the T&C talk boys!

Soory TID
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Old 22nd Feb 2011, 02:46
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And guess who represents Skywest pilots the TWU...
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Old 22nd Feb 2011, 03:38
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Are we now heading towards the US system of regional airline flying with the 'group' colours yet the aircraft are operated by another contract company
If we do, we'll only have ourselves to blame. I've just come from that and I've never seen so much envy, backstabbing and jealousy over who gets what flying and how much closer you'll be to command.

A very wise, crusty old Captain once told me; There's only 3 things to care about in this game: The pay in your pocket, your days off and your quality of life. Once the door is closed it's just an aluminium tube with wings.
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Old 22nd Feb 2011, 04:01
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Well Skywest could have a supply of pilots ready to go on the east coast if tomorrows numbers are bad.
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Old 22nd Feb 2011, 05:58
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What numbers are announced tomorrow?
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Old 22nd Feb 2011, 07:32
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Apparently the annual financial report. QF reported a cracking 500 mil. Wouldn't expect that from VB.

All must remember that there has been significant and will be significant expenditure during the rebranding.
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Old 22nd Feb 2011, 08:24
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....and losses from VB due leisure market, booking system disruptions and the floods.
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Old 22nd Feb 2011, 09:55
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All must remember that there has been significant and will be significant expenditure during the rebranding.
...And let's be grateful for this fact. Whilst I certainly do not advocate frivolous spending when times are tough, unlike our former "illustrious" leader, JB's not afraid to spend money in order to make money. And that's exactly what needs to happen right now if we're going to get it right in the long run.
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Old 22nd Feb 2011, 13:10
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Puff, you may want to do a search on a new executive board member, SD, for info on an indication on new direction of VB flying. The Skywest deal was a good indication.
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Old 22nd Feb 2011, 23:06
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ATR's it is

Article here

Mr Borghetti said Virgin Blue would lease ATR turboprop aircraft as part of its partnership with Skywest to fly to regional routes, announced last month.
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Old 23rd Feb 2011, 01:38
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Great choice with fuel on the rise and set to stay high....

thanks Col. Ghadafy

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Old 23rd Feb 2011, 02:13
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GAFA and Speedjet,

You now have it in writing.

In the Financial report the words are "ATR to replace E170". So you are correct those VB commands have been given to Skywest. It will be up to you to get on the dog and bone to AFAP and VIPA to allow VB interested pilots like speedjet the opportunity to apply and hold their VB seniority number.

Jesus on the next page is a table comparing the 170 to the ATR. Makes Godfrey look like an even bigger goose. There is no comparison.
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Old 23rd Feb 2011, 02:37
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From Flightglobal;

Virgin Blue today announced an order for up to 18 ATR72 aircraft, comprising both the -500 and -600 variants.

The first four ATR72 aircraft will be delivered in the middle of this year with another four to arrive next year. It is not clear yet how many of the 18 aircraft are firm orders, or how the order will be broken down by variant.

Virgin Blue will wetlease the aircraft from West Australia operator SkyWest under an agreement announced last month.

Skywest in turn will lease the aircraft from leasing company Avation with an initial term of ten years.

"The ATR will form the foundation of our regional network plans, with the first six ATRs replacing our current Embraer E170 fleet and the additional aircraft flying to new regional destinations," chief executive John Borghetti says.

"The ATR is the best aircraft to operate on regional routes throughout Australia," he adds.

Borghetti says the ATR72 burns one-third less fuel than the E170. He adds that it also burns 20-30% less than its competing aircraft, a statement likely in reference to the Bombardier Dash 8-400 aircraft that QantasLink operates on its regional routes.

The carrier last August announced it was removing its six E170s as the aircraft was not a right fit for its network. It expects to make announcements in the near future about the E170 fleet's removal.

Yep Mr Hat, the unions let the staff down on this one. I've raised this so many times since the announcements and no one cared becuase it was turboprop flying.

All the best for Skywest, I like the choice of the ATR.
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Old 23rd Feb 2011, 03:07
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From the ASX website.

Scroll down to ".....announcements" and open the 35 page .pdf.

(It may require you to agree to some terms and conditions but it's otherwise free)

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