Sensationalist media at it again. QF & JQ "near miss"
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Sensationalist media at it again. QF & JQ "near miss"
Reports of near-miss at Melbourne Airport | News.com.au
Reports of near-miss at Melbourne Airport
Officials say some planes aborted landings in Melbourne today, but denied a near-miss. Picture: Dean Marzolla Source: News Limited
- Qantas plane aborts landing "at 10m"
- Seconds from collision, passenger says
- No near-miss, say officials
Martin Russell said that just after 3pm (AEDT) a Qantas jet was 10 metres above the runway but aborted the landing and took off, the Herald-Sun reports.
He said 10 seconds later a Jetstar plane appeared on the ground at the spot on the east-west runway where the Qantas jet was about to land.
Mr Russell, a businessman from Hawthorn, said that if the Qantas plane had not taken off, there would have been a head-on crash.
But a spokesman for Air Services Australia, which runs the airport control towers, said there had been no reports of a near-miss incident.
He said 10 seconds later a Jetstar plane appeared on the ground at the spot on the east-west runway where the Qantas jet was about to land.
Mr Russell, a businessman from Hawthorn, said that if the Qantas plane had not taken off, there would have been a head-on crash.
But a spokesman for Air Services Australia, which runs the airport control towers, said there had been no reports of a near-miss incident.
Anyone care to look up webtrak?
Officials say some planes aborted landings in Melbourne today
Because it's not!
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just wx!
He said 10 seconds later a Jetstar plane appeared on the ground at the spot on the east-west runway where the Qantas jet was about to land.
Head on crash, what..? on Echo..
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Uninformed dolts.
I know quite a lot about this particular flight. There was no near miss, there were no other aircraft anywhere near the runway. There was a QF 767 and a J* A320 waiting at the holding point. The article is a load of crap. I can guarantee that whoever made up the story (and it's made up because nothing on the PA mentioned any other aircraft and the PA specifically referred to the gusty wind conditions being outside safe approach parameters) is going after their 15 minutes of fame.
Absolutely disgusted. It's been quite a while since I've been this seething mad. 'Mr Russell' needs to be called out. He's somewhere between a misinformed dolt and a malicious liar.
A couple of other points worth making. A SE change arrived at the airfield shortly after. These weather conditions contributed to at least one or two aircraft behind also making missed approaches. The weather conditions on the subsequent approach were just as bumpy but the southerly had settled in by the time we made that approach.
I can't get over how irritated this makes me.
Absolutely disgusted. It's been quite a while since I've been this seething mad. 'Mr Russell' needs to be called out. He's somewhere between a misinformed dolt and a malicious liar.
A couple of other points worth making. A SE change arrived at the airfield shortly after. These weather conditions contributed to at least one or two aircraft behind also making missed approaches. The weather conditions on the subsequent approach were just as bumpy but the southerly had settled in by the time we made that approach.
I can't get over how irritated this makes me.
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The term Near Miss, I hate this phrase, surely if you had a near miss you have hit something. Say you were trying to avoid a car accident and swerved but ended hitting the other car you could say to the other driver I nearly missed you but I didn't... a Near Miss!
One of the great worries caused by such ignorant reporting is that pilots may be deterred from 'going around' when they need to, lest they end up the subject of a 'near disaster' headline. Persisting with a landing that is dubious for any reason could have a bad outcome. Pilots use their judgement to be safe rather than sorry. The media don't get this. Maybe CASA and the ATSB should investigate 'sensationalist reporting' as a safety issue. Media outlets are too often incapable of self control and sensible journalism.
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Jetstar's claims for sacking an employee were for allegedly telling porkies and casting doubt over safety...........so why not sue the media who print absolute 100% Rubbish.
The media are never accountable or made accountable.
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Maybe CASA and the ATSB should investigate 'sensationalist reporting' as a safety issue. Media outlets are too often incapable of self control and sensible journalism.
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Keg, it would be safe to assume the missed approach was std and then ATC cleared the j* 320 to the runway thus they moved as directed.
not just you either, i'm sure the controllers aren't amused either because it paints them in a much worse light than any of the pilots involved.
not just you either, i'm sure the controllers aren't amused either because it paints them in a much worse light than any of the pilots involved.
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If any pilot makes a decision about whether to go around or not, based on what the media (especially quiet old Australian media) might report, it's not the media that's needs investigating.
The media's jobs is to sell newspapers/advertising - there is no law that says they can't make mistakes - deliberate or otherwise. Get over it. Nothing is going to change. Just be glad you aren't a rock star getting reported in British tabloids - now that would really suck.
The media's jobs is to sell newspapers/advertising - there is no law that says they can't make mistakes - deliberate or otherwise. Get over it. Nothing is going to change. Just be glad you aren't a rock star getting reported in British tabloids - now that would really suck.
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lurker, any person who saw the go around knows there wasn't another aeroplane on the runway and that if someone did taxi into place after the go around then it's not a near miss. Any of the passengers on the QF439 wouldn't have been in any position to see the runway 10 seconds later. I can see that you're leaving open the possibility for traveler Martin Russell of Hawthorn to be simply wrong but I'm calling 'bull****e' instead.
PS: I suspect it was a bit lower than 10m too!
PS: I suspect it was a bit lower than 10m too!
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Keg i agree.
just pointing out the ATC guys/girls would be at least equally annoyed, makes them look incompetent.
btw i'm not sure this guy was on any aircraft.
haha an edit. yeah i can see why you think it's at best malicious
just pointing out the ATC guys/girls would be at least equally annoyed, makes them look incompetent.
btw i'm not sure this guy was on any aircraft.
haha an edit. yeah i can see why you think it's at best malicious
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I tried adding a comment to that article last night on the newspaper's website pointing out some of the BS, but alas, when someone with a slight bit of knowledge trys to add to the comments it does not get posted by the MHS mods. I even wrote it in simple language with no technical jargon. Goes to show that the media are everyday becoming more and more tabloid and not independant journalism.
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Agree Jabawocky - stupid reporting over nothing events like this slanders ATC and the crew. The crew are in control at all times and they are trained for any situation like this. They should all sue the paper and the 'passenger' for defamation!
Go arounds happen daily - are they going to report it because of wind shear? Probably, the media are getting lower and lower everyday.
Go arounds happen daily - are they going to report it because of wind shear? Probably, the media are getting lower and lower everyday.
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Hype from desk jock journos with little experience
But then to be fair airline media people are training them well in the practice of not checking facts and verifying sources - media karma !
AT
But then to be fair airline media people are training them well in the practice of not checking facts and verifying sources - media karma !
AT
Keg, I can understand your frustration on this story, I commented to the Hun ( Herald Sun) that windshear and missed approaches are common occurences. To date these comments have not been published although they have published non relevant comment about Melbourne Airport terminal services. There seems to be a reluctance to air factual commentary which is a odds with their fanciful article. Newspapers tend to rush stories onto the streets without first investigating the veracity of their information; to include at the end of the article a request for eyewitness input is just lazy journalism. Additionally airlines also contribute to the plethora of nonsense aviation reporting by corporate lawyers gagging engineering and flight ops. people from making informed public comment for fear of litigation. Instead we end up with CEOs and flunkie arts graduate spin doctors being quoted who are incapable of twoway technical dialogue and who talk a lot but say very little. The Hun excelled itself a couple of days ago reporting a QF B767 return to land at MEL with a flap problem, from a passenger's account there was more drama than a moon shot!
Don't ever let truth get in the way of bullsh#t.
Unfortunately the Herald-Sun is worse than the old Truth plenty of far fetched stories and unfortunately no page 3 girl!!!
Unfortunately the Herald-Sun is worse than the old Truth plenty of far fetched stories and unfortunately no page 3 girl!!!
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P-Dubby:
bugger -
10 mised approaches, 5 RWY changes and not even a mention of an "ATC Crisis".........you'll just have to lift your game and throw in a few classic cliches or maybe just get the QF Media Unit to manage your patch!
AT
bugger -
10 mised approaches, 5 RWY changes and not even a mention of an "ATC Crisis".........you'll just have to lift your game and throw in a few classic cliches or maybe just get the QF Media Unit to manage your patch!
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Its my guess the Jetstar flight that landed before the QF767 approach is what the moron saw as head to head while it was Taxiing back along Taxiway Echo. I bet Mr Russell was seated on the left side of the plane
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Keg, I can understand your frustration on this story, I commented to the Hun ( Herald Sun) that windshear and missed approaches are common occurences. To date these comments have not been published although they have published non relevant comment about Melbourne Airport terminal services. There seems to be a reluctance to air factual commentary which is a odds with their fanciful article. Newspapers tend to rush stories onto the streets without first investigating the veracity of their information; to include at the end of the article a request for eyewitness input is just lazy journalism.