Qantas to Purchase and Grow WA Charter Operator
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Doubt the B717 will disappear from WA skies untill replaced by a new type eg-C series as QF own the Aircraft. Only leased and Managed by Cobham.
May replace the Fokker at Network tho. Guess time will tell.
May replace the Fokker at Network tho. Guess time will tell.
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Think you may find the suckers are 'Leased' by QF actually- via/courtesy of Uncle Gerry's original arrangement that got transferred over a Steak and a Beer..... way back when- but I could be wrong. May have been the 'Great Escape' of 2001............... but maybe not.....
as QF own the Aircraft. Only leased and Managed by Cobham.
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Here's a few to be going on with, ex the Register;
Civil Aviation Safety Authority - B712
Allco, Bavaria and
SHIRE AVIATION AUSTRALIA PTY LTD
Level 9 South
161 Collins Street
MELBOURNE VIC 3000
AUSTRALIA
Is that QF ????
Civil Aviation Safety Authority - B712
Allco, Bavaria and
SHIRE AVIATION AUSTRALIA PTY LTD
Level 9 South
161 Collins Street
MELBOURNE VIC 3000
AUSTRALIA
Is that QF ????
I expect this will mean more undercutting of charter prices and lower pays all round. Well done Qantas... such cunning strategy. If you want to be a pilot... give up now and go to the mines. Aviation is becomming a subsistance career!
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undercutting of charter prices
Genuine question - is the 717 still in production?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hat
Genuine question - is the 717 still in production?
From Thew West this morning:
Qantas buys mine-flight network
GEOFFREY THOMAS, The West Australian December 14, 2010, 5:18 am
Qantas is about to enter the competitive fly-in, fly-out market after buying local operator Network Aviation.
The deal, flagged three months ago and announced yesterday, will dramatically change competition at Perth Airport, with Qantas using Network's established FIFO operation to fast-track its drive for a bigger slice of the WA market.
Network has two 100-seat Fokker 100 jets and six 30-seat Embraer Brasilias turboprops and the fleet will be expanded.
Airport insiders said yesterday Qantas was eyeing at least three Fokker 100s to add to the fleet.
The WA Government announced last month that Qantas would be allowed to operate on the Perth-Exmouth route.
The airline will also enter the Perth-Geraldton route, which is being deregulated.
Qantas will add planes to its WA QantasLink operation for those services.
Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce said the acquisition would provide Qantas Group with a new revenue stream and room for further diversification.
"This will significantly enhance the scope of what Qantas can offer the mining sector, bringing new competition to the marketplace," he said.
However, Qantas will find it tough going. Many key resource contracts are tied up for years with operators such as Skywest.
GEOFFREY THOMAS, The West Australian December 14, 2010, 5:18 am
Qantas is about to enter the competitive fly-in, fly-out market after buying local operator Network Aviation.
The deal, flagged three months ago and announced yesterday, will dramatically change competition at Perth Airport, with Qantas using Network's established FIFO operation to fast-track its drive for a bigger slice of the WA market.
Network has two 100-seat Fokker 100 jets and six 30-seat Embraer Brasilias turboprops and the fleet will be expanded.
Airport insiders said yesterday Qantas was eyeing at least three Fokker 100s to add to the fleet.
The WA Government announced last month that Qantas would be allowed to operate on the Perth-Exmouth route.
The airline will also enter the Perth-Geraldton route, which is being deregulated.
Qantas will add planes to its WA QantasLink operation for those services.
Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce said the acquisition would provide Qantas Group with a new revenue stream and room for further diversification.
"This will significantly enhance the scope of what Qantas can offer the mining sector, bringing new competition to the marketplace," he said.
However, Qantas will find it tough going. Many key resource contracts are tied up for years with operators such as Skywest.
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Come on GT, report the facts :
The WA Government hasn't announced anything of the sort...it's what we are expecting but it hasn't been announced...
The WA Government announced last month that Qantas would be allowed to operate on the Perth-Exmouth route.
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Its a long shot but...
Airport insiders said yesterday Qantas was eyeing at least three Fokker 100s to add to the fleet.
DUXNUTS you there? Mention of 3 F100's in both..
Uncanny. Pretty quick fleet expansion if its true!! Might be a few F100 jobs going over at NAA...with QF staff travel?
Prediction: NAA F100 jobs will become highly sort after.
Quick commands for people with time on type to..
Next prediction is the ad in Fridays Australian/AFAP jobs.
However, Qantas will find it tough going. Many key resource contracts are tied up for years with operators such as Skywest.
Somehow I suspect QF won't be finding it tough going. Being Australia's largest airline and having bought a company with one of the lowest cost bases. Pretty obvious outcome here!
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Very interesting development this, as it appears that Qantas still have some buying to do. Alliance Airlines have been doing Qantas flying for some time now and has also been looking for a new partner, or total sale for the right price. They are the largest Fokker operator in the southern hemisphere, with a fleet of 21 F100's and 6 F50's. The new boss of Qantas understands very well how lucrative FIFO contracts can be, as the on carriage travel requirements are huge. My source in Perth, tells me that Alliance is on the verge of becoming a wholly owned subsidiary of Qantas. Between Alliance, Cobham, and now Network, Qantas would have an almost untouchable majority chunk of the Australian FIFO work, and for a relatively small outlay!
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not entirely true as cobham's fifo operations (murrin, barrow etc) with the blue tail fleet operate independently of QF and separate to the crew and operating arrangements for the red-tail B717 fleet...
I believe Cobham are more interested in the Dash 8 and 146 operation than the RPT. They inherited the RPT from NJS when they bought the surveillance contract, which is in reality, what they were after.
Just quietly I think they would be happy to offload it and break the contract if given the opportunity. They can then devote the resources to the money making flying with guaranteed yield (why do you think QF are chasing the FIFO!). Expect more Fokkers! (Personally I much prefer flying in them to the 170/190 and 717)
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Just quietly I think they would be happy to offload it and break the contract if given the opportunity. They can then devote the resources to the money making flying with guaranteed yield (why do you think QF are chasing the FIFO!). Expect more Fokkers! (Personally I much prefer flying in them to the 170/190 and 717)
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Norm' and Cactis...would you entertain the thought that these blokes get paid more than the Eastern state blokes already?
Well bend over ****knuckles, 'cause this market is a whole new ballgame, and in no way similar to the Impulse buy-out/sell-out of earlier
Mr Hat....yeah....you have been too right before, and again on the money, me thinks
( Paino, I'm still not smiling tho )
Well bend over ****knuckles, 'cause this market is a whole new ballgame, and in no way similar to the Impulse buy-out/sell-out of earlier
Mr Hat....yeah....you have been too right before, and again on the money, me thinks
( Paino, I'm still not smiling tho )
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Yes indeedy and VB caught napping on that one...
Fokkers and 717's are the perfect size workhorse for WA, QF Group know the benefits of the 717 particularly. DJ are out of the loop unless they shore up a synergy or buy somebody out like Alliance or Cobham, but as Mr Hat said, too late.
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Cheers TAC just seems to fit the bill for QF doesn't it? I find the whole thing quite interesting. It could be a significant move for QF that could potentially monopolise the FIFO sector altogether.
Oleo, how VB has just sat and watched the mining boom come go and now come again makes me scratch my head. In the mean time the Q400 rakes massive coin in on the east coast left unchallenged by any competitor... truly amazing.
The golden cash cows (Alliance/Network/Cobham) are gone.
Very interesting.
Oleo, how VB has just sat and watched the mining boom come go and now come again makes me scratch my head. In the mean time the Q400 rakes massive coin in on the east coast left unchallenged by any competitor... truly amazing.
The golden cash cows (Alliance/Network/Cobham) are gone.
Very interesting.
Cheers TAC just seems to fit the bill for QF doesn't it? I find the whole thing quite interesting. It could be a significant move for QF that could potentially monopolise the FIFO sector altogether.
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Hat,
Garbage!!!!!!!!!!
For Cobham
Gorgon project is worth @ 150 Mill and committed until 2017.
HWE committed for another 4 years
Murrin
Rio @ Brockman/Bulgeeda
Kambalda
etc etc.
To say that the "cash cows" are gone is utter crap. Esp WRT Cobham.
You will not find a more diversified, cost efficient and tightly run outfit.
Don't believe all the propaganda out there.
Garbage!!!!!!!!!!
For Cobham
Gorgon project is worth @ 150 Mill and committed until 2017.
HWE committed for another 4 years
Murrin
Rio @ Brockman/Bulgeeda
Kambalda
etc etc.
To say that the "cash cows" are gone is utter crap. Esp WRT Cobham.
You will not find a more diversified, cost efficient and tightly run outfit.
Don't believe all the propaganda out there.
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Yep meant to say
diversified income.
Called spot on and garbage in one thread. My work is done
Off to bed!
You will not find a more diversified, cost efficient and tightly run outfit.
Called spot on and garbage in one thread. My work is done
Off to bed!