Air Asia Expands in Australia
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Ok, qantas may blow a hole in the fuselage or have an engine fail but how many pax have they killed?
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Air Asia pilots are not undercutting their country men in a race to the bottom for conditions nor standards, unlike some Aussie pilots.
And what's the difference with the modern Australian Airlines, QF sacking engineers for writing up believed problems, Jetstar employing the Asian tarts with no reclining seats, low time pilots ego DO NOT speak up in Aussie cockpits, geez even the government is starting to recognize the current low standards that the likes of Jetstar are encouraging. Did you see the today show this morning, re sacking pilots due speaking up.
I will travel Air Asia in preference to Jetstar any day, even if there more expensive, which is unlikely.
Sure is a lot of oz bashing here. Ok, qantas may blow a hole in the fuselage or have an engine fail but how many pax have they killed?
Jetstar service is absolutely horrible, without a doubt. The non reclining seats are on par with ryan air. But, again, how many times have they bought the farm?
Finally, peuce, you are incorrect. QZ is an indonesian company. They fly the DPS routes, not AK which is Malaysian. There are very, very few expats at QZ, if any at all. Maintenance in indo is a corrupt eyewash of falsifications.
So, basically, guys here think an asian tart in a short skirt and a reclining seat are important? What about the twin stripe FO who's corrupt father bribed someone to get his license?
Enjoy the nasi goreng lads.
Jetstar service is absolutely horrible, without a doubt. The non reclining seats are on par with ryan air. But, again, how many times have they bought the farm?
Finally, peuce, you are incorrect. QZ is an indonesian company. They fly the DPS routes, not AK which is Malaysian. There are very, very few expats at QZ, if any at all. Maintenance in indo is a corrupt eyewash of falsifications.
So, basically, guys here think an asian tart in a short skirt and a reclining seat are important? What about the twin stripe FO who's corrupt father bribed someone to get his license?
Enjoy the nasi goreng lads.
I will travel Air Asia in preference to Jetstar any day, even if there more expensive, which is unlikely.
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We found a way though to do it on the cheap:
Airnorth to Darwin (via Broome) $325
Air Asia Darwin to Bali $169
Was going to cost about $800 going via Perth
The connection time isn't great, into Darwin at 2140 and out at 0445 the next morning, but maybe the Discovery nightclub will be open...
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Port Headland to Bali return with Skywest is only $502, surely you can get to Port Headland return well under $500, if not its only about 200km drive
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Yeah but the service makes even Jetstar look good (well reasonable, anyway 
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On a positive note you'll get plenty of Customs and Immigration officers attending your arrival, unlike the major airports' 1:10,000 officer/pax ratio.
). On a positive note you'll get plenty of Customs and Immigration officers attending your arrival, unlike the major airports' 1:10,000 officer/pax ratio.
Port Headland to Bali return with Skywest is only $502, surely you can get to Port Headland return well under $500, if not its only about 200km drive
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Air asia is all cheap and friendly until any sort of holiday approaches. Prices go through the roof at school holiday, c-mas and so on. I reckon they're still better than jetstar, but keep in mind the pilots are indons and i think everyone knows that nation does not have the greatest safety record.
How much is it worth to you to have an aussie crew is what you should be asking yourself when booking your tickets.
How much is it worth to you to have an aussie crew is what you should be asking yourself when booking your tickets.
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Monk, read the report about what actually occured before you comment. Yes it was a **** up but loss of face had nothing to do with it. Having taught many asians to fly, I can say with fact that loss of face is a major problem with asian pilots. Its ingrained in their upbringing and culture from day 1.
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I agree asians do have face saving problems....but my point is....asians are not the only ones with that problem.....I've flown with many different nationalities.....and they all want to save face.....its just asians are more obvious.....
I agree asians do have face saving problems....but my point is....asians are not the only ones with that problem.....I've flown with many different nationalities.....and they all want to save face.....its just asians are more obvious.....
Looks like their Australian flights were advertised a wee bit early..............
Just a small matter of regulatory approval to sort out.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/ho...27-12eac5.html
Just a small matter of regulatory approval to sort out.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/ho...27-12eac5.html
Holidaymakers have had travel plans thrown into disarray after budget airline AirAsia X cancelled direct flights from Melbourne to Bali with only days' notice.
The Malaysian airline was forced to cancel the flights after it failed to gain approval for the new route, which was due to start on December 26, from Australian and Indonesian aviation authorities.
Passengers received text messages on Christmas Day notifying them that flights from Boxing Day onwards had been cancelled and they would instead be flown to Bali via Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
Passengers received text messages on Christmas Day notifying them that direct flights from Boxing Day onwards had been cancelled and they would instead be flown to Bali via Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
The new route stretches a six-hour journey out to 13 hours and some travellers will arrive a day later than expected, leaving pre-booked accommodation wasted and forcing some to miss family weddings.
Melbourne woman Angela Menz was due to fly direct to Bali at 6.30pm on Saturday, only to learn she would not depart until 1.45am on Sunday.
"On Christmas Day I got a text to say the flight had been changed and that it was now going via Kuala Lumpur," Miss Menz said.
"I'd pre-booked my hotel accommodation and paid for it and airport transfers, so that's all gone to waste.
"We were originally arriving just after 10pm tonight, but now I'm not arriving until the next day at midday."
When Miss Menz, who was travelling to Bali for a one-week holiday with her boyfriend, called the airline, she was told the last-minute change was due to an "administrative issue".
She said she chose to fly with AirAsia after it had heavily advertised direct flights.
Other passengers took to the airline's Facebook page to vent anger over the disruptions.
"Thankyou for wrecking our family Christmas and my daughters wedding (sic)," Julie Chumbley wrote.
"My daughter is due to be married on the 28th dec 2014 in bali and my daughter in law is a bridesmade and my son is walking her down the isle.
"This was until you changed my daughter in laws and sons Direct flight from the 27th dec 2014 to leave on the 28th dec with a stop over in kuala lumpa in which they will miss the whole wedding!!"
Another passenger, Melissa Cook, posted: "It's 1.45am, Xmas morning & I've just received a text advising that my direct flight tomorrow morning (26/12) has been cancelled!!!!
"Advertising was fierce for sucking Australian consumers into thinking that you would really be flying Melbourne to Bali direct from 26/12!"
Passengers do not yet know if return flights will go direct to Melbourne or via Kuala Lumpur.
An AirAsia X spokesman said the flights were diverted because of "an unforeseen delay in the approval process for necessary documentation."
The spokesman said the airline was working with relevant authorities, including Indonesia's Directorate General of Civil Aviation and Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority, to complete the required documents for the flights to go ahead.
"Indonesia AirAsia X will commence the direct return flight from Denpasar to Melbourne as scheduled as soon as this process has been completed," he said.
The airline would not reveal how many passengers had been affected.
In November it emerged that in the first nine months of 2014, the Malaysian carrier had lost $96 million before tax in the Australian market.
The airline announced three weeks ago that it would discontinue direct flights between Adelaide and Kuala Lumpur.
AirAsia has been contacted for comment.
The Malaysian airline was forced to cancel the flights after it failed to gain approval for the new route, which was due to start on December 26, from Australian and Indonesian aviation authorities.
Passengers received text messages on Christmas Day notifying them that flights from Boxing Day onwards had been cancelled and they would instead be flown to Bali via Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
Passengers received text messages on Christmas Day notifying them that direct flights from Boxing Day onwards had been cancelled and they would instead be flown to Bali via Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
The new route stretches a six-hour journey out to 13 hours and some travellers will arrive a day later than expected, leaving pre-booked accommodation wasted and forcing some to miss family weddings.
Melbourne woman Angela Menz was due to fly direct to Bali at 6.30pm on Saturday, only to learn she would not depart until 1.45am on Sunday.
"On Christmas Day I got a text to say the flight had been changed and that it was now going via Kuala Lumpur," Miss Menz said.
"I'd pre-booked my hotel accommodation and paid for it and airport transfers, so that's all gone to waste.
"We were originally arriving just after 10pm tonight, but now I'm not arriving until the next day at midday."
When Miss Menz, who was travelling to Bali for a one-week holiday with her boyfriend, called the airline, she was told the last-minute change was due to an "administrative issue".
She said she chose to fly with AirAsia after it had heavily advertised direct flights.
Other passengers took to the airline's Facebook page to vent anger over the disruptions.
"Thankyou for wrecking our family Christmas and my daughters wedding (sic)," Julie Chumbley wrote.
"My daughter is due to be married on the 28th dec 2014 in bali and my daughter in law is a bridesmade and my son is walking her down the isle.
"This was until you changed my daughter in laws and sons Direct flight from the 27th dec 2014 to leave on the 28th dec with a stop over in kuala lumpa in which they will miss the whole wedding!!"
Another passenger, Melissa Cook, posted: "It's 1.45am, Xmas morning & I've just received a text advising that my direct flight tomorrow morning (26/12) has been cancelled!!!!
"Advertising was fierce for sucking Australian consumers into thinking that you would really be flying Melbourne to Bali direct from 26/12!"
Passengers do not yet know if return flights will go direct to Melbourne or via Kuala Lumpur.
An AirAsia X spokesman said the flights were diverted because of "an unforeseen delay in the approval process for necessary documentation."
The spokesman said the airline was working with relevant authorities, including Indonesia's Directorate General of Civil Aviation and Australia's Civil Aviation Safety Authority, to complete the required documents for the flights to go ahead.
"Indonesia AirAsia X will commence the direct return flight from Denpasar to Melbourne as scheduled as soon as this process has been completed," he said.
The airline would not reveal how many passengers had been affected.
In November it emerged that in the first nine months of 2014, the Malaysian carrier had lost $96 million before tax in the Australian market.
The airline announced three weeks ago that it would discontinue direct flights between Adelaide and Kuala Lumpur.
AirAsia has been contacted for comment.
It's your future...I am seeing...fines. Hefty ones levied by the ACCC for selling routes for which you had no approval.It seems that Air Aisa X bought themselves endless bad press, full reimbursements for costs and I am sure at least one punitive case. Excellent work AAX*
*or whatever the hell the IATA code is for Air Asia X Indonesia**
** Now there's a name that just reeks of quality
*or whatever the hell the IATA code is for Air Asia X Indonesia**
** Now there's a name that just reeks of quality
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The ACCC won't even be interested, Austra.
These tickets were sold under the rider "subject to regulatory approval", which is a common practice for new starters, or incumbents starting new routes. So the ACCC's response would (and should) be "buyer beware".
These tickets were sold under the rider "subject to regulatory approval", which is a common practice for new starters, or incumbents starting new routes. So the ACCC's response would (and should) be "buyer beware".
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If I remember correctly, Jetstar did the same many years ago when they were about to start International flights to Bangkok. They started online sales of tickets months in advance of launching. I was sitting on the edge of my seat hoping that they would get the regulatory approval before my departure date which was around Christmas time, and sure enough they did.
I'm not surprised Indonesia Air Asia is having a longer than expected delay in getting their approvals, especially if the delay is due to the Indonesian regulator. Having spent a considerable number of years dealing with Indonesian bureaucracy myself, there will always be hurdles to overcome for no apparent reason. wink wink ...
I'm not surprised Indonesia Air Asia is having a longer than expected delay in getting their approvals, especially if the delay is due to the Indonesian regulator. Having spent a considerable number of years dealing with Indonesian bureaucracy myself, there will always be hurdles to overcome for no apparent reason. wink wink ...