PERTH: It's All Going To Happen...
They are not asking, they are demanding, or they take their bat and ball and go home.
Yes but they probably would if QF asked to operate from the domestic terminal.
Right at this moment, QF bring PER no international business. QF has withdrawn all its international flying across to T3. PER is now having to spend the same money on reduced use of their own asset, while suffering a reduction in their income. Why wouldn't they resist further reductions, and instead try to increase or restore utilisation.
Also, if PER (4.5M) was getting the International pax numbers that SYD (15.5M) & MEL (10M) were getting, they might not be so worried if QF poached a few off them, but I imagine that QF pax would make up a fair percentage of those 4.5M.
Also, if PER (4.5M) was getting the International pax numbers that SYD (15.5M) & MEL (10M) were getting, they might not be so worried if QF poached a few off them, but I imagine that QF pax would make up a fair percentage of those 4.5M.
Last edited by Traffic_Is_Er_Was; 5th May 2018 at 11:25.
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by Traffic
Also, if PER (4.5M) was getting the International pax numbers that SYD (15.5M) & MEL (10M) were getting, they might not be so worried if QF poached a few off them, but I imagine that QF pax would make up a fair percentage of those 4.5M.
The West, 5 May 18:
Saffers Fly Into A Rage Over Fares
Perth’s Saffer community is wondering what Perth Airport chief Kevin Brown has against them. Is he a cricket fanatic still smarting from the humiliations of the recent Test series, a colleague of the Bull’s from the other side of the Indian Ocean fumed? No, it’s simply too much to expect a monopoly international airport operator to have much understanding of the concept of competition.
After suffering for years under price gouging by South African Airways on the highest-convenience direct route, especially over the prime Christmas period, expats’ hopes they wouldn’t have to remortgage the house to visit family this year have been dashed. Perth Airport has taken an obstinate stance on facilitating Qantas’ proposed four-times-a-week seasonal service between Perth and Johannesburg to start in Deceember from the new T3 international. Last week Brown said he was happy to work with Qantas if it used the main T1 international terminal, but “the Perth-to-Johannesburg route is not a new route and is already well serviced with a year-round daily flight by South African Airways from T1 international” . This is the same “service” that gouges locals a whopping $2500- $3000 to fly Perth-Johannesburg return anytime within three weeks of Christmas, while often charging South African tourists as little as $1100 for the opposite routing.
There are of course alternatives if you don’t mind wasting a day both ways, but pricing shows the other Asian airlines simply raise their prices to within $200 or $300 of SAA’s extortionate prices over peak periods. An airport spokesman suggested Qantas needed to “keep its focus” on developing Asian connections to bring in foreign revenue, ignoring the $1000- $1500 a seat unnecessarily flowing into SAA and other airline coffers because there is no real competition on the direct route. No wonder Qantas sees a market gap.
Perth’s Saffer community is wondering what Perth Airport chief Kevin Brown has against them. Is he a cricket fanatic still smarting from the humiliations of the recent Test series, a colleague of the Bull’s from the other side of the Indian Ocean fumed? No, it’s simply too much to expect a monopoly international airport operator to have much understanding of the concept of competition.
After suffering for years under price gouging by South African Airways on the highest-convenience direct route, especially over the prime Christmas period, expats’ hopes they wouldn’t have to remortgage the house to visit family this year have been dashed. Perth Airport has taken an obstinate stance on facilitating Qantas’ proposed four-times-a-week seasonal service between Perth and Johannesburg to start in Deceember from the new T3 international. Last week Brown said he was happy to work with Qantas if it used the main T1 international terminal, but “the Perth-to-Johannesburg route is not a new route and is already well serviced with a year-round daily flight by South African Airways from T1 international” . This is the same “service” that gouges locals a whopping $2500- $3000 to fly Perth-Johannesburg return anytime within three weeks of Christmas, while often charging South African tourists as little as $1100 for the opposite routing.
There are of course alternatives if you don’t mind wasting a day both ways, but pricing shows the other Asian airlines simply raise their prices to within $200 or $300 of SAA’s extortionate prices over peak periods. An airport spokesman suggested Qantas needed to “keep its focus” on developing Asian connections to bring in foreign revenue, ignoring the $1000- $1500 a seat unnecessarily flowing into SAA and other airline coffers because there is no real competition on the direct route. No wonder Qantas sees a market gap.
TerminalBlues
The original plan for the Perth International terminal to be built east of the runway was pre privitisation. It is already a nightmare to use. Clogged roads, to far from the city centre etc. Qantas know that most business passengers want quick city access. T3 is the best location and you can guarantee that QF want their entire operation in one place. If that means two international terminals then that's what will happen. T3 will eventually be known simply as " The Qantas Terminal." As much as PAC wants the T3 site for more lucrative real estate projects, my bet is that Qantas will win the war. Give up PAC!
Build some high rise carpark and get more real estate by reclaiming those vast acreages of parking asphalt (The parking charges are already enough to cover the cost of building gold plated, high rise towers with free valet service, car wash and polish thrown in too!)
Build some high rise carpark and get more real estate by reclaiming those vast acreages of parking asphalt (The parking charges are already enough to cover the cost of building gold plated, high rise towers with free valet service, car wash and polish thrown in too!)
Thread Starter
The original plan for the Perth International terminal to be built east of the runway was pre privitisation. It is already a nightmare to use. It is already a nightmare to use. Clogged roads, to far from the city centre etc. Qantas know that most business passengers want quick city access.
Nunc est bibendum
Right at this moment, QF bring PER no international business. QF has withdrawn all its international flying across to T3. PER is now having to spend the same money on reduced use of their own asset, while suffering a reduction in their income. Why wouldn't they resist further reductions, and instead try to increase or restore utilisation.
Qantas want to expand their international foot print in PER in the short term. Currently the terminal structure of T1 and the connections is not fit for purpose. PAC have no plans to remedy that in the short or medium term. Instead of seeing the possibility of increased revenue through the airport in total by allowing QF to utilise the facilities they already have PAC are instead turning away business and telling an airline to 'develop Asian routes'. Yeah. That'll work!
Interestingly I suspect QF are quite seriously looking to 'develop Asian routes' if they could be confident they could streamline the connections. Don't reckon much will happen whilst PAC approach the issue they way they have thus far.
When is an underground airport train station, not an airport train station?
When its built at just under 1 Km from the nearest terminal...T3 / T4.
Imagine hauling baggage that far....
1 - In Summer when its 40C in the waterbag, or
2 - In Winter its cold and raining.....
And further, ALL of the roads into and out of YPPH will now be routed by the one highway entrance, Tonkin Hwy.
One breakdown / accident and that will spell 'rooted'.
Oh Dear........
Cheers
And yes Cap'n, you may well be departing 'half full' one day, as your pax are still on the h'way.
Similar has happened before.......
When its built at just under 1 Km from the nearest terminal...T3 / T4.
Imagine hauling baggage that far....
1 - In Summer when its 40C in the waterbag, or
2 - In Winter its cold and raining.....
And further, ALL of the roads into and out of YPPH will now be routed by the one highway entrance, Tonkin Hwy.
One breakdown / accident and that will spell 'rooted'.
Oh Dear........
Cheers
And yes Cap'n, you may well be departing 'half full' one day, as your pax are still on the h'way.
Similar has happened before.......
Currently the terminal structure of T1 and the connections is not fit for purpose. PAC have no plans to remedy that in the short or medium term.
When is an underground airport train station, not an airport train station? When its built at just under 1 Km from the nearest terminal...T3 / T4.
. Qantas want to expand their international foot print in PER in the short term. Currently the terminal structure of T1 and the connections is not fit for purpose. PAC have no plans to remedy that in the short or medium term. Instead of seeing the possibility of increased revenue through the airport in total by allowing QF to utilise the facilities they already have PAC are instead turning away business and telling an airline to 'develop Asian routes'. Yeah. That'll work!
When is an underground airport train station, not an airport train station?
When its built at just under 1 Km from the nearest terminal...T3 / T4.
Imagine hauling baggage that far....
1 - In Summer when its 40C in the waterbag, or
2 - In Winter its cold and raining.....
And further, ALL of the roads into and out of YPPH will now be routed by the one highway entrance, Tonkin Hwy.
When its built at just under 1 Km from the nearest terminal...T3 / T4.
Imagine hauling baggage that far....
1 - In Summer when its 40C in the waterbag, or
2 - In Winter its cold and raining.....
And further, ALL of the roads into and out of YPPH will now be routed by the one highway entrance, Tonkin Hwy.
Are you a QANTAS employee per chance?
Slightly closer. No discernible difference in traffic density.Gt Eastern Hwy vs Leach Hwy / Orrong Rd.
Distance from city centre is an additional 3 km to T1 - not sure why or if that qualifies for 'too far'.
Only relevant if you actually want to go to the city centre and not everyone wants to go to there - maybe 20%?
For me, T3 is an additional 3km.
Probably correct.
So that accounts for the 20 people sitting up the front.
Oh, and the crew of course. Maybe what is really needed is an airport Hilton.
That's a tad subjective.... unless you're just speaking for QANTAS.
And, apparently, only then because the state government funded the international facilities at T3.
And they probably will.
It is already a nightmare to use. Clogged roads, too far from the city centre etc.
Distance from city centre is an additional 3 km to T1 - not sure why or if that qualifies for 'too far'.
Only relevant if you actually want to go to the city centre and not everyone wants to go to there - maybe 20%?
For me, T3 is an additional 3km.
Qantas know that most business passengers want quick city access.
So that accounts for the 20 people sitting up the front.
Oh, and the crew of course. Maybe what is really needed is an airport Hilton.
T3 is the best location
And, apparently, only then because the state government funded the international facilities at T3.
....and you can guarantee that QF want their entire operation in one place. If that means two international terminals then that's what will happen. T3 will eventually be known simply as " The Qantas Terminal." As much as PAC wants the T3 site for more lucrative real estate projects, my bet is that Qantas will win the war. Give up PAC!
Last edited by WingNut60; 6th May 2018 at 03:19.
That's one Hwy but two options.
Redundancy.
Similar options from T1 - in fact more options.
Do any of you guys live in Perth? Have ever been there?
Airport access is not a problem and has not been a problem for some time.
The push back' regarding closure of Brearly Ave is mainly from local residents and maybe QANTAS.
Spot onTraffic_Is_Er_Was...
Have you been through T1 in Perth lately? The Virgin domestic stuff is very nice indeed but the International section is pretty depressing. You have to carry your bags down 2 flights of stairs from the gate to the aircraft...what other first world country would design something as stupid as that? QF Lounge facilities also very basic. Apart from the obvious issue of connections, it’s no wonder Qantas pushed and will continue to push for T3 expansion.
I have have no doubt Qantas will jump at the chance to move into a new facility on the T1 side but only when it can support their domestic AND international movements. Until then, they should be allowed to do as they please on the other side. PAPL should get over it and move on, and get cracking on the T1 infrastructure (including new runway and taxiways!).
More pax going through the International means PA have more leverage to negotiate better retail contracts within the Terminal ie make more money per pax. Pax in T1 will be spending their money in the QF universe, PA will see none of it. Not being privy to whatever commercial deal PA have with QF, but you would think that it would be difficult to levy much of a passenger charge for pax that don't use your facilities ie PA lose money. Yes aircraft charges etc will still apply, but PA get that whatever terminal the aircraft goes to. It will be more difficult to finance T1 if you keep lettting new services operate elsewhere. PA would want an iron-clad guarantee that QF would move across before they spend a cent. Even then I'd be pretty wary, especially if QF had a few years to settle in to their T3 routine. QF do not do change very well. PA can see themselves getting painted into a corner not of their own making. They can thank the WA government for that. Perhaps Joyce will ground the airline if he does not get what he wants? He's got form.
Who's fault is that? They obviously didn't care too much about their existing international pax then.
QF want the "seamless" concept to work, because they are trying desperately to hide the fact that it is 5 hrs and 2 time zones from civilization before most of their customer base can use the "Western Hub".
(T1) QF Lounge facilities also very basic
QF want the "seamless" concept to work, because they are trying desperately to hide the fact that it is 5 hrs and 2 time zones from civilization before most of their customer base can use the "Western Hub".
They obviously didn't care too much about their existing international pax then.
Until about two maybe three years ago there were NO QF international destinations from Perth.
That is correct, USED to. There was I would guess at least a decade there with NO QF international sectors departing Perth.
Quick quiz, how many carriers service Perth - Bangkok? One. Thai Airways
What about Kuala Lumpur? Three, all based in KL.
QF just pulled out, crying we cannot compete, their costs are so low, blah blah blah
Quick quiz, how many carriers service Perth - Bangkok? One. Thai Airways
What about Kuala Lumpur? Three, all based in KL.
QF just pulled out, crying we cannot compete, their costs are so low, blah blah blah
Ha Ha Ha Wingnut.....
What part of 'Tonkin H'way' didnya get?
Goin' IN or a comin' OUT....what's the Last / First road.. ?
Hint....Begins with the letter 'T'....
One 'organised' blockage or just an unfortunate accident, and it could be chaos, very quickly.
Luckily, us 'locals' do know about 'Fauntleroy'....is it still open?
Re your 'Redundancy'.....Oi know ALL about THAT!!
Thanks Dick...........Cheeerrrsss...
What part of 'Tonkin H'way' didnya get?
Goin' IN or a comin' OUT....what's the Last / First road.. ?
Hint....Begins with the letter 'T'....
One 'organised' blockage or just an unfortunate accident, and it could be chaos, very quickly.
Luckily, us 'locals' do know about 'Fauntleroy'....is it still open?
Re your 'Redundancy'.....Oi know ALL about THAT!!
Thanks Dick...........Cheeerrrsss...