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Old 10th Sep 2013, 05:00
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I get the impression that the rationale is arriving aircraft are noisier than departing aircraft, and more people live west and south of the airport than north and east.

06 landings are no great loss, they require more track miles unless inbound through WAVES, which is usually only intl heavies. 24 departures wold save a few miles if outbound through GURAK or WAVES but not much, especially when you look at how convoluted the GURAK SIDs are.
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Old 10th Sep 2013, 06:16
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Move PEA to Garden Is. They can have all the airspace they want to the SW.

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Old 11th Sep 2013, 16:17
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Off topic . . .

Today after some wandering ducks were herded off runway 03, one of our witty Perth Tower lads cleared a QF for takeoff with the proviso, "caution drake turbulence".
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 07:06
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Nautilus, with respect, all arrivals from KA, PD, and BRM to name a few were usually on RW06, and this isn't about a few extra track miles, it's about 5-20 min delays, which I should add are on top of the 5-45 min COBT delays.
Regarding 24 departures, GURAK SID is only convoluted when the RAAF are open for business and even then it is very rare to do the full procedure, once again I am sure most operators would happily accept a few extra miles over COBT delays followed by 20 mins taxi.

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Old 16th Sep 2013, 09:57
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flyingfox ,

Today after some wandering ducks were herded off runway 03, one of our witty Perth Tower lads cleared a QF for takeoff with the proviso, "caution drake turbulence".
Perhaps the same controller who when asked two weeks ago on a foggy tuesday morning their position in the queue " you're in the far queue" ..
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 21:59
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" you're in the far queue"
Exactly what one long-time CC out of Melbourne used to say on boarding widebodies when people ignored his "good morning"
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Old 17th Sep 2013, 04:31
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Nautilus, with respect, all arrivals from KA, PD, and BRM to name a few were usually on RW06, and this isn't about a few extra track miles, it's about 5-20 min delays, which I should add are on top of the 5-45 min COBT delays.
Regarding 24 departures, GURAK SID is only convoluted when the RAAF are open for business and even then it is very rare to do the full procedure, once again I am sure most operators would happily accept a few extra miles over COBT delays followed by 20 mins taxi.
When GURAK was an inbound route for 03/06 yes. PEA/WAARP shut that down. If you look at the current STARS you will see using 03 and 06 for arrivals would be of no benefit. Now, if we had a "down the coast" inbound route through R155/160, that would be completely different. Traffic from the north inbound GEL JNB WAVES for 06 interleaved with traffic from the east on 03. Less track miles AND higher arrival rate.

Using 24 and 21 for departures in theory would increase departure rate, but how much effect would that have on arrivals? In practice, it wouldn't actually increase departure rates anyway. Departure rates are throttled because TWR can fire aircraft off one RWY faster than we can deal with them, primarily because they are not sorted in any way (eg Dash-8D launched 3 miles behind a F50 on the same SID ) Ideally you would have all GURAK departures off 24 to turn right, and all others off 21 to turn left (I don't know if that would create taxi issues) but if the departures weren't sorted it wouldn't really help.
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Old 31st Oct 2013, 23:36
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AIP SUP H113/13 indicates preferred exits for runway occupancy. If this publication is issued by Air Services to help improve the flow is there no accountability to Perth Airport to build appropriate high speed exits.

Townsville Refueller via the Hobart Refueller has advised there is talk of a Staff Car Park being built .. is there any further info?. Are the days of squeezing onto the bandaid solution bus with pax coming to an end?.
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 01:23
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Just nudge a few of the muddaboiks out the way, only a short walk to the terminal than.
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 09:09
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From what I hear, the construction of RETs will start imminently. No joke
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 09:30
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Perth Airport is also committed to building high-speed taxiways off the airport's main and secondary cross runways.
Article in the West Australian by aviation expert GT, Dec 31 2009.

Yawn.
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 10:21
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No, it's true, Perth airport is committed to building high speed exits............ just as soon as they can find someone else to pay for them
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 11:18
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Spot on bleed fault, apparently the Cat 2/3 approach capability is dependant on a lotto win.
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Old 3rd Nov 2013, 23:07
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From The West today:
Congestion drives need for runway
Geoffrey Thomas Aviation Editor, The West Australian
November 4, 2013, 5:22 am

Perth Airport has all but committed to building another runway to handle record growth that delivered a thumping $267 million profit in the past financial year.

At its annual stakeholder event, Perth Airport chief executive Brad Geatches said a business case for a runway would be presented to the board next year.

"We have determined that we need a third runway by the end of the decade to cater for the increasing demand," he said.

In his review to shareholders, Perth Airport chairman David Crawford said "there was an emerging consensus among aviation industry stakeholders that investment in the third runway should be brought forward".

Mr Geatches put the cost of the runway at $400 million - well down from original estimates of $900 million touted two years ago.

Perth Airport's cross-runways are at capacity almost 70 per cent of the time from Tuesday to Thursday from 5am to 9pm.

Delays for landing are extensive, particularly during wet weather. The congestion requires many planes to be held on the ground at the originating airport, with ground delays of at least 30 minutes not uncommon.

At the stakeholder event on Thursday night, Mr Crawford said the airport's $750 million investment in terminal infrastructure was fully committed, with four major terminal projects completed or under way.

T2 opened this year and the first stage of the upgrade of T1 - the international terminal - would open this month.

The Virgin Australia domestic pier will open about August.

Last year, the airport recorded a 7.8 per cent jump in international passengers and an 8.3 per cent rise in domestic passengers.

The growth has outpaced all other Australian airports for the past seven years.

These numbers, along with significant increases in cargo and charter operations, drove a 30 per cent increase in aeronautical charges to $162 million.
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 01:58
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Mr Geatches put the cost of the runway at $400 million - well down from original estimates of $900 million touted two years ago.
Did he explain why he gave such an outrageous cost estimate two years ago?

A huge reversal from Geatches. Only two years ago he said that the runway was not needed until after 2025.

So if they commit to the build next year, it could be operational by 2018 I would have thought, possibly 2019 with "slippage".

Did anyone ask him why the new taxiways off 03/21 are at 90 degrees?
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 11:07
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I can't help myself ... but I just enjoy perth airport so much.

The new international arrivals ... outstanding .. more customs desks (although still unstaffed however I was told at the coffee shop on day one it was fully stocked). More smart gates - great work although NZ and UK citizens can also use so no help really in Perth. Duty free has changed hands to JR and is all new.

But my favourite - all this good work (it really is) still boils down to one customs staff member to direct you out the front door or to quarantine ... the backlog begins - and still no crew lane. It's like building a new taxiway , but at 90 degrees to the main runway.
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 12:27
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I hear you MSC, and to add insult to injury, the staff discount for duty free grog has dropped from 20% to 15%! ;-)
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Old 20th Nov 2013, 23:57
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Is it my imagination, but as regular SLF through here, has on-time performance improved in the latter half of this year? We are just not copping all the delays we had under the previous traffic control regime--early days didn't seem to improve things at all, working more smoothly now? On a side note, I enjoy telling fellow travellers leaving the Pilbara end what time we are likely to be loading--they don't know what COBT on the whiteboard behind the counter means
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 01:20
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I just hope they fix this walking-down-the-steps-to-board-the-plane crap at the International Terminal.
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Old 21st Nov 2013, 05:21
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Bit precious perhaps?

After all, PH is the bogan capitol of the world!!
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