PERTH: It's All Going To Happen...

[Icarus2001]

http://www.perthairport.com.au/Files/2010_ANEI.pdf

Here it is.

[airdualbleedfault]

With the utmost respect to the oxygen thieves at Air noServices Australia, what exactly is an ANEI? EG In relation to decibels?
Also I wonder how the residents of say, North Welshpool, feel about having no aircraft noise when around 25 bugsmashers would fly over them at 1000', in 2 hours of a morning?

[ReadMyACARS]

The residents of Forrestfield may object to having a rwy well within a km of their homes

Those of us living on the Redcliffe side of the runway are about 1500m from the centreline and no one complains about the noise. Given the predominantly easterly wind in Perth, folks in Forrestfield will notice it even less.

[OverRun]

Could the damage be due to the A330s landing on 24 coming to a screaming halt to get off at twyA for QF or J for VA. It seems they may save further damage to get them all to roll to the end or land on 03/21.

Hi RU/16,
Not braking in this case. The problem is structural and weakness down through the depth, exacerbated by the increase in traffic on 06/24 over the last 10 years. Plus planning ahead to cope with the expected traffic on the runway over the next 20-30 years.

03/21 is a lot stronger.

The heavy braking issue would manifest itself in surfacing damage (not the case here). The “roll-through” is very popular at regional airports where an old runway designed for the DC-3/F27 has had its ends beefed up to let today’s 737s/F100s turn around; the pavement load is a lot less when rolling along in a straight line at 25 knots than when turning (and again this is not the case here).

[gaunty]

The whole private ownership thing is a fraud and a national disgrace.

Pigs might fly, but the Feds need to take them all back

Not holding my breath for the fourth runway.

[Icarus2001]

Given the predominantly easterly wind in Perth, folks in Forrestfield will notice it even less.

Not holding my breath for the fourth runway.

I would settle for a third runway, or are you getting nostalgic for whiskey to be reinstated as a runway?

[gaunty]

Done Whiskey would for a lo I the corporates and smaller FIFO.

[flyingfox]

The swamp in question is actually the last stand for the short-necked western swamp turtle. Since the Swan Coastal Plains were drained to increase the land available for urban and agricultural uses, most of the lakes and ephemeral swamps have disappeared. The paperbark trees still standing on the remaining uncleared airport land are vanishing remnants of those wetter times. 'Swamp' is by it's nature a misleading term which may suggest 'slimy mud holes' to some viewers. In fact the swamps were filled with crystal clear water and many fish and animals. The permanent lakes were much larger and deeper than today. We've lost so many native animals, reptiles, birds, marsupials etc. that it is probably not unreasonable that provision is made to continuing protection of these turtles/tortoises. Federal airports used to be amazing wildlife refuges with their remnant native vegetation remaining mainly intact. The bushland with it's 'soft' textures also provided considerable mitigation for aircraft noise. Since privatisation this land has been a source of riches for the airport companies who mainly see aviation as a side kick to property development. I'm sure the second runway, the turtle thingys and even the rumoured 'sweet lipped froggies' should be able to reach a working relationship!

[ANCPER]

ff

How do you think the rwy will fit in if stuck further sth re a/c access etc, otherwise I would have thought the swamp is long gone.

Are you the same FF @ MB?

[Capn Bloggs]

Federal airports used to be amazing wildlife refuges with their remnant native vegetation remaining mainly intact.

Including swans in the middle of the terminal.

[gordonfvckingramsay]

Lets not forget the very same "green" outlook on life being used as a reason not to make use of the perfectly functional (and no doubt expensive) HIAL on 03; Trees obscuring the lights, can't cut down trees due to the impact to the wildlife.

So the most remote capital city airport in the world now has a single runway, HIAL on one end only, CAT1 ILS's, alternates that fill up whenever 3 or 4 jets divert and no sign of any improvement in sight.

Plenty of car spots though, and most of them making it easy to "find 30"

Welcome to the third world......

[ANCPER]

GFR

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[Nautilus Blue]

Ability to write and present high quality information briefs and reports suitable for executive level readers;

Is that big letters/little words, or "only what they want to hear"?

I would think the main qualification for the job would be the ability to sit through meetings without screaming "It's about runways, stupid!"

[flyingfox]

I still think the parallel runway should be only of the 2000 meter category to cater for regional types, rather than a full duplicate runway. As mentioned, airspace issues are a major problem. If Pearce airspace is kept low enough for permanent overfly by approaching aircraft, life would be easier. Pearce really needs to be shut down. And the trees surrounding the 03 HIAL need to be pruned or the lights raised.
BLOGGS - Maybe a new pond for swans and tortoises could be a feature of future terminal buildings! I do wonder though whether the swans might not eat the tortoises?
ANCPER - I don't know where exactly the tortoise swamp is. Near the southern end somewhere. I'm not the FF@MB.

[BuzzBox]

Pearce really needs to be shut down.

Whilst I appreciate the airspace problems caused by Pearce, I doubt it's going to be closed any time soon, given the size of the RAAF/RSAF training operation. Where do you propose they go? It would take a huge amount of money to upgrade Learmonth for the task, something that's not likely to happen in the current budget environment. Further, closing Pearce would severely limit the air support options for other defence units based in the Perth area.

[airdualbleedfault]

And Icarus, add to that Perth is the only airport in the world I've flown into that actually goes out of its way to make a runway with tailwind the duty runway, and you would have 21 as the most used runway I would think.

WRT Pearce, I could never understand why they couldn't fly at low level (as RAAF pilots like to do) up north or down south. No, much better to have commercial aircraft flying 1000s of extra miles so that a handful of single engine light aircraft, most of which are not even our own, are not inconvenienced. Joint user airports the world over don't have half the hassles of Perth /Pearce

[flyingfox]

Pearce

The Peace traffic should fly low level out to a reasonable distance to clear Perth Apt airspace.
Meanwhile start building new facilities up at Gin Gin and eventually move away from Bulls Brook. It's all about planning!

[Nautilus Blue]

add to that Perth is the only airport in the world I've flown into that actually goes out of its way to make a runway with tailwind the duty runway, and you would have 21 as the most used runway I would think

I'm not a tower controller but my understanding is its the criteria are the same at all Australian controlled airports, possibly except SY. Runways are ordered in terms of noise abatement preference. If the the RWY is dry and the downwind 5 knots or less (or maybe less than 5 knots?) on the preferred runway has to be used. For PH in descending order its 21 and/or 24, then 03 then 06.

Re PEA airspace, F150 over the aerodrome does seem a little greedy. However the only proposed movement with regard to their airspace I've heard in years was they wanted more (higher around Bindoon).

[airdualbleedfault]

Quite correct Nautilus, but the noise abatement in Perth is political, a bit like the reason back around 2004, RW06 mysteriously became unsuitable as a regular landing runway and to my knowledge, 24 has never been used for departures except in extreme weather.
Everybody in Perth is subject to aircraft noise equally, it's just that some folk are a lot more equal than others