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Old 1st Jun 2013, 14:48
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Who says your "facts" are better than ranmar's?
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Old 1st Jun 2013, 22:44
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ANCPER--I did acknowledge that oil and gas required lower levels of manning, and it is the CONSTRUCTION phases of those projects that require high levels of manning. But support industries for oil and gas, particularly offshore facilities, add manning, which you do not seem to be taking into account. Iron Ore is the big employer in WA mining, bums on aircraft seats, as a sizeable proportion of the workforce is FIFO, and will continue to be so. There often seems to be a lot of anti-mining sentiment on this forum How many pilot jobs in Skywest/Virgin, Network, Alliance and Skippers wouldn't exist if there were no FIFO charters? Let alone the Interstate/Intrastate RPT capacity used as well? Your perspective may be a little different if you were watching around A$10 million worth of product leave your site on trains every day.
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Old 2nd Jun 2013, 02:48
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I hear Qantas is opening an A330 Pilot base in Perth...
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Old 4th Jun 2013, 14:08
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Having been through umpteen construction production cycles since the first big one last century in 66, as night follows day, construction = busy chaos, production = significant reduction in traffic.
FIFO which is charter category goes away and is replaced by the higher standard Airline/RPT.
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Old 16th Aug 2013, 06:11
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It is all happening...isn't it?

From The West today:

Geoffrey Thomas, Aviation Editor, The West Australian

Perth Airport set a record for passenger numbers last month when 1.24 million people took to the skies, indicating economic conditions are on the rise again.

The record is a 17 per cent jump on the previous month and almost 5 per cent above the same month last year. Plane movements, at 13,265, were the second highest on record.

Airline traffic is the leading economic indicator of the health of an economy and just as WA remained resilient in the global financial crisis of 2008-09, it appears the State's economy has shrugged off the Australian downturn.

The figures do not include all passengers using the Skippers Aviation, Maroomba Airlines, Cobham and Network Aviation terminals which could number 80,000 travellers month.

Perth Airport has enjoyed an extraordinary growth average of 9 per cent a year since 1960.

The resurgence of passenger traffic underscores the need for a third runway to meet business generated not only by the resources sector, but also the continued heavy demand for holiday travel interstate and overseas.

Last month, Perth Airport announced fast-tracked negotiations with airlines over the third runway, which will cost about $480 million.

Commenting on a fall in passenger traffic in the first half of this year, airport chief executive Brad Geatches said the "growth rates do not alter Perth Airport's redevelopment plans".

"Our view is that the third runway project should proceed without delay," he said.

"For long lead infrastructure, it is necessary to look through the cycle to ensure capacity is available when it is needed."

A final proposal on a runway parallel to the main one should be presented to airlines within two months. The airport has two runways that cross and cannot be used simultaneously, though they are used alternately in the right wind conditions.

A third parallel runway would virtually eliminate delays and future-proof the airport, Mr Geatches said.

In the interim, Perth Airport is implementing recommendations from a report by Britain's air traffic control provider.

These changes combined with improvements by Airservices Australia will make traffic flows and runway throughput more efficient.

Last year, Airservices said that only a 50 per cent increase in runway capacity would solve the airport's peak needs.

The airport is virtually at peak capacity between 5.15am and 7am Monday to Thursday.

The third runway project should proceed without delay." Perth Airport chief executive Brad Geatches
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Old 17th Aug 2013, 06:38
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WAC has changed their tune! Always claimed it wasn't necessary for an extra runway. They must be after someone elses money! Why not start with a shorter version of the proposed parallel runway which is suitable for turboprops or medium weight jets. Must have ILS approaches though. Perth fails completely when clouds arrive.
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Old 19th Aug 2013, 03:39
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FULL use of the two runways they've got would be a good place to start!!!!!
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Old 19th Aug 2013, 04:05
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For the umpteenth time, the issue causing the most significant delays for Perth isn't runway capacity, it's airspace capacity.

That said, a parallel would at least assist in sequencing departing traffic to minimise the delays caused by the airspace capacity issues.
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Old 19th Aug 2013, 07:51
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the issue causing the most significant delays for Perth isn't runway capacity, it's airspace capacity
For departures yes. Departure rates are throttled during peaks because the TWR can fire them faster than we can deal with. By sorting the departures into a more efficient order leaving the aprons the departure capacity could be raised tomorrow.

For arrivals it is a question of runway capacity because we can process/stream aircraft faster than the TWR can land them. For example 03 ILS's arrival rate is about 17/hour. At that rate approach will only have about 4 aircraft on frequency at time.

Without sorting the departures, parallel runways would probably make departures worse because often the aircraft on the left runway would need to turn right and vice versa.
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Old 19th Aug 2013, 08:27
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Anyone know what the story is with the pavement failure on 06/24?
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Old 19th Aug 2013, 08:28
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It's all happening on Thursday: the whinger with the super-sensitive hearing has just condemned the environment to an extra 20kg of fuel burn for every Julim Star arrival onto 03; 4 extra track miles so we can fly over his house at 10,000ft at Idle instead of 9000ft...

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Old 23rd Aug 2013, 11:05
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Anyone know what the story is with the pavement failure on 06/24?
NOTAM'd out for 3 months. It's re-build time - digging deep and replacing.
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Old 24th Aug 2013, 03:46
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06/24 always seems to have failing pavement. Didn't they improve that end of it not so long ago?
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 00:48
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I see with GT's PR press release for WAC that the new rwy will be to the east of Horrie Miller and Coles/Wollies. That will be interesting. The residents of Forrestfield may object to having a rwy well within a km of their homes as well as the environmental concerns that will surface with the swamp to the northern end. Maybe that's what they want, a long unwinnable pseudo fight.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 01:11
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Flight delays to hit airport - The West Australian
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Is that the swamp where the miniature green back sweet lip orange blooming frog lives? Best of luck getting that past the greenies.
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The residents of Forrestfield may object to having a rwy well within a km of their homes
It might drown out the sounds of the burn outs, screaming and shootings.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 02:08
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Could the damage be due to the A330s landing on 24 coming to a screaming halt to get off at twyA for QF or J for VA. It seems they may save further damage to get them all to roll to the end or land on 03/21.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 02:10
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Could the damage be due to the A330s landing on 24 coming to a screaming halt to get off at twyA for QF or J for VA.
I've noticed that. I can't generally do that even in my kiddie car.

Perhaps they don't have many pax on board?
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The residents of Forrestfield may object to having a rwy well within a km of their homes
I will be surprised if they didn't. Every single issue, minority interest group will come out of the woodwork with action groups, websites, rallies, t shirts and hats but when the dust settles, after they all realise that it is FEDERAL land and a third runway has been planned for at least forty years it will go ahead. The same reason that the brickworks could not be stopped by state regulators. The same reason that Jandakot has the spud shed and Harvey Norman wanted to open there before trading laws were changed. Federal land and federal jurisdiction with only a nod to state concerns.

People in Forrestfield also have the marshalling yards between them and the airport.

Anyway, the ANEP contours would show little "side" noise surely?

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