PERTH: It's All Going To Happen...
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LOL GT says "It will make Perth one of the nation's best airports "
Bound to be BS then
Bound to be BS then
Had a quick look at the master plan. Couldn't really work out who was where. So as I understand it QF stay where they are, VB go over to international and Alliance, Skywest and the rest are Terminal GA? Can any one post a plan view pic. I must have missed it.
The key is to make sure there are enough cheap gravel car parks and room for non aviation businesses. What we don't want is investment in anything related to aviation. Oh and for the crew car park to be in another suburb..perhaps on the otherside of the tonkin for a small fee!
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Oh and for the crew car park to be in another suburb..perhaps on the otherside of the tonkin for a small fee!
From the Master Plan
Yet the same document forecasts more than doubling of passenger numbers both international and domestic in the same time frame with only a 50% increase in aircraft movements. 
Given that the airport runs on slot times today, has a master plan that forecasts growth, how on earth can they say that a parallel runway is not required is beyond me.
It is considered unlikely that any of the runway developments will be required during the 20 year planning period of this Master Plan 2009
Given that the airport runs on slot times today, has a master plan that forecasts growth, how on earth can they say that a parallel runway is not required is beyond me.
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Haven't all the industrial buildings on the eastern side of horrie miller already taken over the land of the future parallel runway anyway?
Start again Perth, don't make the same mistakes as Sydney. Build a new airport down south with train line access off the mandurah railway. 4 runways (2 x 2). But I suppose considering the government can't even commit to a new football stadium (it's been what 5 years now?), this would only be a pipe dream. Wouldn't be any airspace issues with Pearce though...
Start again Perth, don't make the same mistakes as Sydney. Build a new airport down south with train line access off the mandurah railway. 4 runways (2 x 2). But I suppose considering the government can't even commit to a new football stadium (it's been what 5 years now?), this would only be a pipe dream. Wouldn't be any airspace issues with Pearce though...
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2nd or 3rd world?
Airports with no rail link:
Melbourne
Perth
Adelaide
Dawin
Hobart
Canberra
Airport with rail link but closes before the last flight:
Brisbane
Suppose for a city obsessed with busways at least it has a rail link...
Airport with private rail link that costs about $1 per meter travelled:
Sydney
Any other takers?
Melbourne
Perth
Adelaide
Dawin
Hobart
Canberra
Airport with rail link but closes before the last flight:
Brisbane
Suppose for a city obsessed with busways at least it has a rail link...
Airport with private rail link that costs about $1 per meter travelled:
Sydney
Any other takers?
Close Pierce and move it to "Nowhere" where it belongs.
Open a second parallel runway 03R / 21L.
Add ILS's that can be intercepted from within 20 miles from either runway and either end.
All the SID's & STAR's could be simplified.
Congestion issues relieved.
Keep 06 / 24 for those extra windy days.
The international terminal extended as it was originally intended, as a semi circle, and include the domestics within.
Look at Brisbane on how a well-thought-out-concept turned into a dog's dinner. It's turned into a replica hospital in planning.
Their only redeeming feature is the train line connecting the domestic and international terminals and on to the city and Gold Coast.
OK, and a train line at Perth
halas
Open a second parallel runway 03R / 21L.
Add ILS's that can be intercepted from within 20 miles from either runway and either end.
All the SID's & STAR's could be simplified.
Congestion issues relieved.
Keep 06 / 24 for those extra windy days.
The international terminal extended as it was originally intended, as a semi circle, and include the domestics within.
Look at Brisbane on how a well-thought-out-concept turned into a dog's dinner. It's turned into a replica hospital in planning.
Their only redeeming feature is the train line connecting the domestic and international terminals and on to the city and Gold Coast.
OK, and a train line at Perth
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Halas, the train line between International and domestic in Brisbane is a joke. Have you ever caught it, most good airports have an automated train shuttle that leaves very few minutes. Brisbane's aiport treminal link leaves every 30 minutes. I used to laugh at Qantas's PA's stating for transfer to the other terminal use the train, sure, use it but you proabably be late for your flight. What Brisbane needs is for the city link train to operate to the Domestic and International terminal as it currently does, the other line between the terminals for a dedicated 1 or 2 cariage train that runs between the terminals every few minutes. Also by having the elevated train running right up the centre of the airport, they are unable to have 2 parallel long runways. From memory the new airport plan is for a short parallel runway located at the north western end on the airport, but the train line restricts any east west taxiway to join the parallel runways to one located north of the domestic terminal. A really poorly thought out airport. Look at all the new airports being built around the world, mainly 2 x parallel 4000m runways with a terminal in the middle. Australian airports are a joke.
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The speech given by Don Randall MP in June 2010 alludes to WAC reneging on a second runway. The problems at Perth should be fixed now! Where is our sleepy State Government who should be applying the blow-torch?
Don Randall MP - Newsroom
Don Randall MP - Newsroom
Yes Mr Wooby,
I have used the train there. Indeed, l used to work there. Also in YPPH.
Operate to both now from outside the country. So still in touch with the out of touch.
As l said YBBN is a dog's dinner for the implementation of what the original designers had in mind.
I think Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen would be turning in his grave on how BNE has turned out. It was his baby. I managed to get there for the opening of the new airport in '87 to see the All American Thunderbirds perform their only Australian display.
The model of the full concept was there, and it was a near full circle terminal that incorporated all flights, both domestic and international, along with parallel runways on either side of the terminal. Sound familiar?
Perth is using a cheap option of a shed with covered walk-ways to meet their clients demands. Those clients are the travelling public.
They must think that they can get away with it.
After all, how many international terminals have two full flights of stairs between the departure hall and the air-bridge?
They have been getting away with it for years!
halas
I have used the train there. Indeed, l used to work there. Also in YPPH.
Operate to both now from outside the country. So still in touch with the out of touch.
As l said YBBN is a dog's dinner for the implementation of what the original designers had in mind.
I think Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen would be turning in his grave on how BNE has turned out. It was his baby. I managed to get there for the opening of the new airport in '87 to see the All American Thunderbirds perform their only Australian display.
The model of the full concept was there, and it was a near full circle terminal that incorporated all flights, both domestic and international, along with parallel runways on either side of the terminal. Sound familiar?
Perth is using a cheap option of a shed with covered walk-ways to meet their clients demands. Those clients are the travelling public.
They must think that they can get away with it.
After all, how many international terminals have two full flights of stairs between the departure hall and the air-bridge?
They have been getting away with it for years!
halas
C'mon guys this is WA!!! 
Can't expect a decent solution, 5 years ago the mining boom started really ramping up and instead of fixing the problem they have allowed it to get to what it is today....a joke!
Qantas was forced to spend money, the improvements were good but they are only good for now, no forethought was included. Lets build for today's needs and it's exactly what WAC is doing, building for today not 10 years time.
I work for a mining company and after out little 'pep talk' today the industry isn't slowing down for the next 20 years.
In terms of Terminal WA? WTF??? I don't understand that logic maybe skippers, alliance, network etc could go there for all the middle of nowhere mines, towns and charters but XR? Wheres all their A320's going to go?
The international, XR, QF and DJ should all be integrated into the one terminal and lets face it WA should realistically have a world class airport but no we have a bunch of morons building a farce of an airport that isn't making it any better and infact will make it more difficult for FIFO and Domestic and International transfers and a hell of a lot more confusing.
The original plan when old mate Alan Carpenter was in government and was to have one big combined operation and the existing domestic was to be turned into freight.........but guess things have changed in those 3 years. That was when WAC and Qantas were pretty much forced into promising/doing something due to the congestion and outcry by the public.
Makes me angry that WAC and the WA Government had a great opportunity to provide WA with a great world class airport.......Perth will remain a bottle neck and poor cousin to every other airport including Adelaide
Bit off topic but a classic example of WA airports is Karratha........lets put all 800k passengers though the airport that was built for 90's passenger numbers which were under 100k......finally upgrading to something that is at least usable but not acceptable for 5+ years down the track (whole raft of issues, I wont start!
) But we got our nice new shiny long runway 
Now they are charging residents to bloody park in the carpark because all the companys leave their cars there for weeks on end and take all the parking up and it's going to be just expensive if not worst than Perth airport No bus link, play the lotto as to whether a $50 o/w taxi will show up or take the $25 o/w shuttle to the airport 10km away from town if they aren't booked by all the fifo guys!
Rant over (sorry bout the off topic bit but makes me wild)..........WA and airports don't work well together!
Rail link? with a Liberal government you will never see any such thing to Perth Airport and now with the new joke i mean Airport, you'd have to have a even longer bit of track one for QF and one for the rest, makes it even less viable.
Ahhhhh time for a nice cold beer me thinks!
Can't expect a decent solution, 5 years ago the mining boom started really ramping up and instead of fixing the problem they have allowed it to get to what it is today....a joke!
Qantas was forced to spend money, the improvements were good but they are only good for now, no forethought was included. Lets build for today's needs and it's exactly what WAC is doing, building for today not 10 years time.
I work for a mining company and after out little 'pep talk' today the industry isn't slowing down for the next 20 years.
In terms of Terminal WA? WTF??? I don't understand that logic maybe skippers, alliance, network etc could go there for all the middle of nowhere mines, towns and charters but XR? Wheres all their A320's going to go?
The international, XR, QF and DJ should all be integrated into the one terminal and lets face it WA should realistically have a world class airport but no we have a bunch of morons building a farce of an airport that isn't making it any better and infact will make it more difficult for FIFO and Domestic and International transfers and a hell of a lot more confusing.
The original plan when old mate Alan Carpenter was in government and was to have one big combined operation and the existing domestic was to be turned into freight.........but guess things have changed in those 3 years. That was when WAC and Qantas were pretty much forced into promising/doing something due to the congestion and outcry by the public.
Makes me angry that WAC and the WA Government had a great opportunity to provide WA with a great world class airport.......Perth will remain a bottle neck and poor cousin to every other airport including Adelaide
Bit off topic but a classic example of WA airports is Karratha........lets put all 800k passengers though the airport that was built for 90's passenger numbers which were under 100k......finally upgrading to something that is at least usable but not acceptable for 5+ years down the track (whole raft of issues, I wont start!
) But we got our nice new shiny long runway Now they are charging residents to bloody park in the carpark because all the companys leave their cars there for weeks on end and take all the parking up and it's going to be just expensive if not worst than Perth airport No bus link, play the lotto as to whether a $50 o/w taxi will show up or take the $25 o/w shuttle to the airport 10km away from town if they aren't booked by all the fifo guys!Rant over (sorry bout the off topic bit but makes me wild)..........WA and airports don't work well together!
Rail link? with a Liberal government you will never see any such thing to Perth Airport and now with the new joke i mean Airport, you'd have to have a even longer bit of track one for QF and one for the rest, makes it even less viable.
Ahhhhh time for a nice cold beer me thinks!
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Perth won't be the poor cousin it will just be like every other airport in the country. Sydney and Melbourne are no better.
However given the amount of money generated by WA mining it is disappointing that they can't build a decent airport with some of the money that comes out of that industry.
However given the amount of money generated by WA mining it is disappointing that they can't build a decent airport with some of the money that comes out of that industry.
Wheres all their A320's going to go?
Now they are charging residents to bloody park in the carpark because all the companys leave their cars there for weeks on end and take all the parking up and it's going to be just expensive if not worst than Perth airport
GA Trojan, Yeah I agree with Melbourne, bit of a shambles but Sydney has improved a heap in the last few years, the International terminal has come a long way from what it was.
That was a dig at XR.......
Well not charge the residents who actually live here to park or at least offer a reduced rate or residents card or something to that effect or offer 2 weeks free parking if you display or have a residents card....plenty of ideas out there! I was at the airport the other day and company vehicles out numbered normal vehicles by far and no one can deny that they are the reason that everyone is now going to be charged because certain companies were known to be parking at the airport to save on storage costs on vehicles. Here's a good story.....Rio had a vehicle parked there for 9 months that got forgotten about, know one knew it was there until someone seen the dust building up over the months and found out it had been there for 9 months.
There's a lot of angry people up here, we pay horrific rates ($900 more than my other house in Perth) and cost of living is horrendous, anyone with a 100k+ job it's no worries but what about the very people that keep this town running? Great building them accommodation in town but they still get screwed over in another way. To be honest I can't remember what the parking rates were but I know the bloke in the paper last week reckoned it's cheaper to drive and park in Hedland for a 2 week trip!
There's plenty of solutions, but it's whether the shire is prepared to do anything for the very people who live in this town.
Also hope they are putting somewhere for trolley returns in the next stage! must of been 20 trolleys in the carpark.
what 2 of them? you should get a job in airports seeing as you are such an expert...
whats your solution?
There's a lot of angry people up here, we pay horrific rates ($900 more than my other house in Perth) and cost of living is horrendous, anyone with a 100k+ job it's no worries but what about the very people that keep this town running? Great building them accommodation in town but they still get screwed over in another way. To be honest I can't remember what the parking rates were but I know the bloke in the paper last week reckoned it's cheaper to drive and park in Hedland for a 2 week trip!
There's plenty of solutions, but it's whether the shire is prepared to do anything for the very people who live in this town.
Also hope they are putting somewhere for trolley returns in the next stage! must of been 20 trolleys in the carpark.
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Perth airport is a Joke now, 10 years time it will still be a joke. Nothing will change. Look at the apron there now, lovely painted up apron with 2 Ozjet 737's looking good. Oh and to point out another little fact, who designs a whole new apron without hydrant refueling? It takes at least a minimum of 45-60 mins to refuel a tanker do the paperwork, testing etc!
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bit of a shambles but Sydney has improved a heap in the last few years
This is what happens when you privatise airports and they stop being seen as a infrastructure and as a way of making money.