The disaster that is JHAS
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Don't we ( those who are actually keen to do a fair days work for a fair days pay) see it it all to often in Australia these days.
We are actually competitive in the global environment , but we are saddled with the smartest guys in the room, who are the lions share of the salary/bonus cost, they always spruik the line 'we need to be more competitive' .
In Australia we have multiple layers of middle management who chant the mantra of 'Worlds Best Practice' ,' Being Lean/Competitive',etc, who are really not needed.
It reminds me of a friend who was involved in running a company in the UK ,he was chided by the owner that he and another colleague seemed to disagree on a number of occasions and had to work towards a consenus. His reply was ' If we always agreed then you didn't need both of us'.
We are actually competitive in the global environment , but we are saddled with the smartest guys in the room, who are the lions share of the salary/bonus cost, they always spruik the line 'we need to be more competitive' .
In Australia we have multiple layers of middle management who chant the mantra of 'Worlds Best Practice' ,' Being Lean/Competitive',etc, who are really not needed.
It reminds me of a friend who was involved in running a company in the UK ,he was chided by the owner that he and another colleague seemed to disagree on a number of occasions and had to work towards a consenus. His reply was ' If we always agreed then you didn't need both of us'.
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NOT QF LAME your remarks are quite correct. The guys at JHAS have had enough of the HR rant and the constant mistreatment by the management.
The workers in good faith gave management there some slack, only to have the carpet pulled out from under them at the first opportunity.
From what i can tell there will be no mercy from the workers anymore. It is disappointing that once again the regulator has failed to protect the industry from these fly by nighters. The guys there have been put under enormous pressure to make up for management incompetence. They are regularly pressured to stretch the letter of the law and get the aircraft out the door.
The guys shouldn't be left to fend for themselves.
I don't think any amount of recruiting will be able to keep up with the constant exodus.
You know what they say, "you reap what you sow".
The workers in good faith gave management there some slack, only to have the carpet pulled out from under them at the first opportunity.
From what i can tell there will be no mercy from the workers anymore. It is disappointing that once again the regulator has failed to protect the industry from these fly by nighters. The guys there have been put under enormous pressure to make up for management incompetence. They are regularly pressured to stretch the letter of the law and get the aircraft out the door.
The guys shouldn't be left to fend for themselves.
I don't think any amount of recruiting will be able to keep up with the constant exodus.
You know what they say, "you reap what you sow".
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Does this mean John Holland is pulling the pin on its Aviation Services division?
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Does it mean a GM in JHAS has left the Aviation division of the JH group?
thanks.
Does this mean John Holland is pulling the pin on its Aviation Services division?
or
Does it mean a GM in JHAS has left the Aviation division of the JH group?
thanks.
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i worked for a Conrete company from Denmark in aviation in the Uk back in the early 90's as an AME.The outfit was at Standsted airport which carried out HM on a variety of wide and narrow body aircraft.They too thought that aircraft maint was simple having the numbers of arms anf legs with no skill base and then charging the standard international aircraft maint rate.No worries !!!..The employed ames to start with but as the the ginger beers fingerd out this mob paid sh!t house rates,no training,management treating engineers poorly,engineers kicked of site for questioning engineering standards,poor tool cribs with no equipment.The engineers started leave in droves,the next step for managment was to employee anyone that had a tool box bought from their local Tesco...They had pastry chiefs,carpenters, concretors ,brick layers (anyone that wanted to have a go in aircraft maintenance could have a go,as the LAME's would sign off on the work anyone they thought this was the best way forward).
the company went broke after this new buisness model of useing unskilled labour,aircraft where dropped off jacks,jacks put through wings,tail sections the list went on and on.
After a decade they finally shut up shop and have gone back to making concrete back in Europe...problem is you have high paid Exes from these companys with big egos that have built a few bridges or buildings thinking that was easy lets give aircraft maint a go(rates of pay are great,your hundreds of men working per hr adds up to big profits,ITS A LICENCE TO PRINT MONEY),that little engineering experiment nearly sent the company broke..
the company went broke after this new buisness model of useing unskilled labour,aircraft where dropped off jacks,jacks put through wings,tail sections the list went on and on.
After a decade they finally shut up shop and have gone back to making concrete back in Europe...problem is you have high paid Exes from these companys with big egos that have built a few bridges or buildings thinking that was easy lets give aircraft maint a go(rates of pay are great,your hundreds of men working per hr adds up to big profits,ITS A LICENCE TO PRINT MONEY),that little engineering experiment nearly sent the company broke..
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Originally Posted by jethro gibbs
JH seems to be involved with the goverments NBN see pic page 4 herald sun 
Not bad for a "two bit construction company".
There are plenty of seriously smart people in there (both JH and JH Telco) who really understand engineering. The JHAS situation and any issues it has (which I admit I am no longer intimately familiar with) is not due to any lack of understanding engineering.
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Originally Posted by jethro gibbs
Still pushing the barrow !
I don't work for them now and in all reality won't work for them again so that's certainly not a sycophantic statement. Equally you may not like them, seems you don't like much at all from your other posts, so be it. But the fact remains they gave AAES a shot and have kept 300+ people employed for several years longer than if the business had been shut down had they not bought it. They're no fly by night mob, they honour their commitments to employees and clients and they've given an industry a shot in a way that others wouldn't.
Maybe JHAS works, maybe it doesn't, maybe it hasn't and maybe it won't.
But at least they tried.
Can you say you've done anything like that? Have you put your money on the line to save a business? What have you done to make the industry better or more viable?
I can't comment on the current JHAS situation because I just don't have the up to date knowledge, but I can say the "chicken farmer" as Bellcrank so politely calls him is one of the smartest engineers I've ever met. And a seriously good guy who cares about the people side of the business. You may not like or even respect him, but I can tell you that in the time I was with them he gave his all for JHAS and pretty much sold his soul to the JH board and senior management to make the deal happen. He stepped down from a higher ranking GM position to take direct accountability for the aviation business. If you're employed or have been employed by JHAS then that comes down to him.
Maybe all of that doesn't mean much to you but then it seems you're anti most things you post about. Perhaps you need some introspection and to ask yourself why that is. Regardless of where JHAS goes at least some people had the guts to stand up and take a shot at making it work. Ask yourself if you could have done anything to make the place better and then ask yourself if you did.
I'm guessing, if you're totally honest with yourself, the answer isn't very pretty.
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They can't be doing too bad, they have and are getting a bigger slice of the Virgin work.
B737 and Embraer heavy checks.
One overnight maintenance slot every night.
Soon to have the A330 line station and overnight maintenance.
B737 and Embraer heavy checks.
One overnight maintenance slot every night.
Soon to have the A330 line station and overnight maintenance.
