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Body Scanners: Will you go for the genital feel up or the nude photos and a cancer?
As with many issues in our industry we can see the possible Australian future if we look over to the US. Unlike many developed countries, our government tends to just follow blindly whatever the US think is the right course of action. We live in a country that has a highly reactive rather than a proactive system. Populist policies that when looked at in detail often don't actually work.
Case in point - a man is bashed to death in Sydney Airport whilst deodorants are being confiscated at security "check" points. Or pilots going thru security whilst caterers, cleaners and baggage handlers come and go as they please.
I've noticed that everything from bank interest rates to airport security gets looked at by the government only in response to media attention after an incident. Once it dies down everything returns to normal.
So will we see body scanners in Australia? I reckon we will. Its an easy fix and thats the way we do things here.
Here are some articles from Plane Talking worth a read and the AIRLINE BIZ Blog | dallasnews.com:
US air travellers get a wake up touch up – Plane Talking
Union president tells US Airways pilots to avoid body scanners | AIRLINE BIZ Blog | dallasnews.com
8:38 AM Tue, Nov 09, 2010 | Permalink
Terry Maxon/Reporter Bio | E-mail | News tips
The head of the pilot union at US Airways is advising his members not to go through the body scanners, the same recommendation that the Allied Pilots Association president at American Airlines had given his members.
The reason in both cases was health-related: The union leaders say pilots shouldn't submit to the repeated doses of radiation.
President Mike Cleary of the US Airline Pilots Association said pilots should first search for a security checkpoint that doesn't have the scanners.
If that's not possible, the pilots should opt for the pat-down by a Transportation Security Administration officer, with a member of the pilot's crew witnessing.
The TSA recently changed its hand-search policies. Before, the officers would use the back of their hand to check a person; now they are to use their open hand and fingers to go over one's body, including the genital area and breasts.
Cleary said after a pat-down, the pilot should determine if he or she is emotionally fit to fly. He also said the pilots' association doesn't like any of it:
"Let's be perfectly clear: the TSA procedures we have outlined above are blatantly unacceptable as a long-term solution. Although an immediate solution cannot be guaranteed, I can promise you that your union will not rest until all U.S. airline pilots have a way to reach their workplace ... the aircraft ... without submitting ourselves to the will of a TSO behind closed doors.
"This situation has already produced a sexual molestation in alarmingly short order. Left unchecked, there's simply no way to predict how far the TSA will overreach in searching and frisking pilots who are, ironically, mere minutes from being in the flight deck.
"As we all know, it makes no difference what a pilot has on his or her person or in their luggage, because they have control of the aircraft throughout the entire flight. The eyewash being dribbled by the TSA in this instance is embarrassingly devoid of common sense, and we will not stand for it."
Below, I've put Cleary's entire message, except for some contact phone numbers.
November 8, 2010
President's Message
Fellow Pilots,
The TSA's rapid deployment of Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) screening machines, followed by the new Enhanced Pat-Down procedures, have caused turmoil for airline pilots and the traveling public alike. These changes are far reaching, intrusive and have been implemented almost overnight, leaving little time for groups who are adversely affected to form a response.
On October 21, USAPA's Security Committee issued an update on the new AIT scanners and outlined our options for dealing with the new rules. Since that time several pilots and flight attendants have encountered problems with TSOs and their implementation of the rules. One US Airways pilot, after being selected for an enhanced pat-down, experienced a frisking that has left him unable to function as a crewmember. The words this pilot used to describe the incident included "sexual molestation," and in the aftermath of trying to recover, this pilot reported that he had literally vomited in his own driveway while contemplating going back to work and facing the possibility of a similar encounter with the TSA. This is a very serious situation, and it represents a crossroads for all U.S. airline pilots.
One of the difficulties is the TSA's intentional random application of the rules. While it might be effective for their purposes, it wreaks havoc with our ability to inform our pilots on how to handle each and every situation.
Here is a summary of USAPA's current position on AIT screening machines and Enhanced Pat-Down procedures:
• Pilots should NOT submit to AIT screening. The TSA has offered no credible specifications for the radiation emitted by these machines. As pilots, we are exposed to more radiation as a function of our normal duties than nearly every other category of worker in the United States. Based on currently available medical information, USAPA has determined that frequent exposure to TSA-operated scanner devices may subject pilots to significant health risks.
• Pilots should employ the following method of avoiding AIT screening:
o Make every effort to use security access lines that utilize standard magnetometer devices. If security access points with magnetometer devices are not available, or if there is a change in the device being used once in line, pilots should elect to submit to a private TSA-agent pat-down.
o When submitting to a private, enhanced pat-down procedure, pilots must be sure that a witness, preferably a crewmember, accompanies them during the pat-down.
o After being subjected to an enhanced pat-down procedure, pilots must evaluate their fitness for duty. As has been determined, there is a wide range of possibilities once you submit to a private screening, and the results can be devastating. Unacceptable as this is to all USAPA pilots, and until these invasive measures are no longer implemented on airline pilots, it is your responsibility to make sure you are emotionally fit and not stressed in any way by your close encounter with the TSA.
• Remain professional and courteous in all situations.
• Contact any member of the Security Committee if you need any assistance.
[Names redacted.]
Let's be perfectly clear: the TSA procedures we have outlined above are blatantly unacceptable as a long-term solution. Although an immediate solution cannot be guaranteed, I can promise you that your union will not rest until all U.S. airline pilots have a way to reach their workplace ... the aircraft ... without submitting ourselves to the will of a TSO behind closed doors. This situation has already produced a sexual molestation in alarmingly short order. Left unchecked, there's simply no way to predict how far the TSA will overreach in searching and frisking pilots who are, ironically, mere minutes from being in the flight deck. As we all know, it makes no difference what a pilot has on his or her person or in their luggage, because they have control of the aircraft throughout the entire flight. The eyewash being dribbled by the TSA in this instance is embarrassingly devoid of common sense, and we will not stand for it.
USAPA's Security Committee and USAPA Legal are working diligently on several fronts to find an acceptable remedy. I directed our legal team to request of the TSA, pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act, any written materials that contain the protocol for conducting these enhanced pat-downs. Should this situation not be resolved by working with the TSA, we will take our concerns to Capitol Hill. On a parallel track, we are working with the other CAPA pilot unions to find allies in our struggle. Make no mistake; this is a fight to restore the dignity we deserve as the last line of defense against terrorists who would use airplanes as weapons of mass destruction. We are not the enemy, and we will not stand for being treated as such before each duty period. The TSA needs to recognize professional airline pilots for the security asset that we are, even as many of us serve as Federal Flight Deck Officers. There are a number of access mechanisms available as a remedy, including CrewPass and biometric identification. These solutions will allow the TSA to capitalize on airline pilots as security assets.
This letter is meant to provide you with important interim guidance as we seek long-term solutions. Please stay up to date on this critical affront to our profession. Documentation will be a critical element to this battle. Therefore, should you have any difficulties traversing security, please outline the incident with as much detail as possible, including TSO names and badge numbers, and send it immediately to [email protected]. I urge each of you to continue to maintain your ultimate professionalism in the face of these attacks on our profession. As you maintain your composure, your union will fight unequivocally with all of our resources and allies to right this wrong.
Sincerely,
Captain Mike Cleary
President
What will our unions say or do if the body scanner comes to our shores?
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Case in point - a man is bashed to death in Sydney Airport whilst deodorants are being confiscated at security "check" points. Or pilots going thru security whilst caterers, cleaners and baggage handlers come and go as they please.
I've noticed that everything from bank interest rates to airport security gets looked at by the government only in response to media attention after an incident. Once it dies down everything returns to normal.
So will we see body scanners in Australia? I reckon we will. Its an easy fix and thats the way we do things here.
Here are some articles from Plane Talking worth a read and the AIRLINE BIZ Blog | dallasnews.com:
US air travellers get a wake up touch up – Plane Talking
Union president tells US Airways pilots to avoid body scanners | AIRLINE BIZ Blog | dallasnews.com
8:38 AM Tue, Nov 09, 2010 | Permalink
Terry Maxon/Reporter Bio | E-mail | News tips
The head of the pilot union at US Airways is advising his members not to go through the body scanners, the same recommendation that the Allied Pilots Association president at American Airlines had given his members.
The reason in both cases was health-related: The union leaders say pilots shouldn't submit to the repeated doses of radiation.
President Mike Cleary of the US Airline Pilots Association said pilots should first search for a security checkpoint that doesn't have the scanners.
If that's not possible, the pilots should opt for the pat-down by a Transportation Security Administration officer, with a member of the pilot's crew witnessing.
The TSA recently changed its hand-search policies. Before, the officers would use the back of their hand to check a person; now they are to use their open hand and fingers to go over one's body, including the genital area and breasts.
Cleary said after a pat-down, the pilot should determine if he or she is emotionally fit to fly. He also said the pilots' association doesn't like any of it:
"Let's be perfectly clear: the TSA procedures we have outlined above are blatantly unacceptable as a long-term solution. Although an immediate solution cannot be guaranteed, I can promise you that your union will not rest until all U.S. airline pilots have a way to reach their workplace ... the aircraft ... without submitting ourselves to the will of a TSO behind closed doors.
"This situation has already produced a sexual molestation in alarmingly short order. Left unchecked, there's simply no way to predict how far the TSA will overreach in searching and frisking pilots who are, ironically, mere minutes from being in the flight deck.
"As we all know, it makes no difference what a pilot has on his or her person or in their luggage, because they have control of the aircraft throughout the entire flight. The eyewash being dribbled by the TSA in this instance is embarrassingly devoid of common sense, and we will not stand for it."
Below, I've put Cleary's entire message, except for some contact phone numbers.
November 8, 2010
President's Message
Fellow Pilots,
The TSA's rapid deployment of Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) screening machines, followed by the new Enhanced Pat-Down procedures, have caused turmoil for airline pilots and the traveling public alike. These changes are far reaching, intrusive and have been implemented almost overnight, leaving little time for groups who are adversely affected to form a response.
On October 21, USAPA's Security Committee issued an update on the new AIT scanners and outlined our options for dealing with the new rules. Since that time several pilots and flight attendants have encountered problems with TSOs and their implementation of the rules. One US Airways pilot, after being selected for an enhanced pat-down, experienced a frisking that has left him unable to function as a crewmember. The words this pilot used to describe the incident included "sexual molestation," and in the aftermath of trying to recover, this pilot reported that he had literally vomited in his own driveway while contemplating going back to work and facing the possibility of a similar encounter with the TSA. This is a very serious situation, and it represents a crossroads for all U.S. airline pilots.
One of the difficulties is the TSA's intentional random application of the rules. While it might be effective for their purposes, it wreaks havoc with our ability to inform our pilots on how to handle each and every situation.
Here is a summary of USAPA's current position on AIT screening machines and Enhanced Pat-Down procedures:
• Pilots should NOT submit to AIT screening. The TSA has offered no credible specifications for the radiation emitted by these machines. As pilots, we are exposed to more radiation as a function of our normal duties than nearly every other category of worker in the United States. Based on currently available medical information, USAPA has determined that frequent exposure to TSA-operated scanner devices may subject pilots to significant health risks.
• Pilots should employ the following method of avoiding AIT screening:
o Make every effort to use security access lines that utilize standard magnetometer devices. If security access points with magnetometer devices are not available, or if there is a change in the device being used once in line, pilots should elect to submit to a private TSA-agent pat-down.
o When submitting to a private, enhanced pat-down procedure, pilots must be sure that a witness, preferably a crewmember, accompanies them during the pat-down.
o After being subjected to an enhanced pat-down procedure, pilots must evaluate their fitness for duty. As has been determined, there is a wide range of possibilities once you submit to a private screening, and the results can be devastating. Unacceptable as this is to all USAPA pilots, and until these invasive measures are no longer implemented on airline pilots, it is your responsibility to make sure you are emotionally fit and not stressed in any way by your close encounter with the TSA.
• Remain professional and courteous in all situations.
• Contact any member of the Security Committee if you need any assistance.
[Names redacted.]
Let's be perfectly clear: the TSA procedures we have outlined above are blatantly unacceptable as a long-term solution. Although an immediate solution cannot be guaranteed, I can promise you that your union will not rest until all U.S. airline pilots have a way to reach their workplace ... the aircraft ... without submitting ourselves to the will of a TSO behind closed doors. This situation has already produced a sexual molestation in alarmingly short order. Left unchecked, there's simply no way to predict how far the TSA will overreach in searching and frisking pilots who are, ironically, mere minutes from being in the flight deck. As we all know, it makes no difference what a pilot has on his or her person or in their luggage, because they have control of the aircraft throughout the entire flight. The eyewash being dribbled by the TSA in this instance is embarrassingly devoid of common sense, and we will not stand for it.
USAPA's Security Committee and USAPA Legal are working diligently on several fronts to find an acceptable remedy. I directed our legal team to request of the TSA, pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act, any written materials that contain the protocol for conducting these enhanced pat-downs. Should this situation not be resolved by working with the TSA, we will take our concerns to Capitol Hill. On a parallel track, we are working with the other CAPA pilot unions to find allies in our struggle. Make no mistake; this is a fight to restore the dignity we deserve as the last line of defense against terrorists who would use airplanes as weapons of mass destruction. We are not the enemy, and we will not stand for being treated as such before each duty period. The TSA needs to recognize professional airline pilots for the security asset that we are, even as many of us serve as Federal Flight Deck Officers. There are a number of access mechanisms available as a remedy, including CrewPass and biometric identification. These solutions will allow the TSA to capitalize on airline pilots as security assets.
This letter is meant to provide you with important interim guidance as we seek long-term solutions. Please stay up to date on this critical affront to our profession. Documentation will be a critical element to this battle. Therefore, should you have any difficulties traversing security, please outline the incident with as much detail as possible, including TSO names and badge numbers, and send it immediately to [email protected]. I urge each of you to continue to maintain your ultimate professionalism in the face of these attacks on our profession. As you maintain your composure, your union will fight unequivocally with all of our resources and allies to right this wrong.
Sincerely,
Captain Mike Cleary
President
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Unions (Pilots & CC anyway) I believe are already on the case & AIPA has a briefing on 9th December from SME's in this field.
Issues will be within OHS rather than industrial arena - should be an interesting battle between applicable State and Federal legislation.
That said, The Minister for Mascot and the assorted Depts under his delegation need to get off their collective backsides and try a bit of consultation.
As for the TSA - esp in LAX..........
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Issues will be within OHS rather than industrial arena - should be an interesting battle between applicable State and Federal legislation.
That said, The Minister for Mascot and the assorted Depts under his delegation need to get off their collective backsides and try a bit of consultation.
As for the TSA - esp in LAX..........
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Not the standard pat down Howard!!
It's a gettin pretty strange
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The open hand procedures mandated for America’s totally out of control Transport Security Administration involve manually determining the orientation of the penis and testicles in order to determine whether they are in fact explosive devices as well as pressure to female genitalia
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Some magazine in the US has labelled it the Scope Or Grope option .
That is standard in a Customs frisk search for prohibited substances. The difference, of course, is that they must have reasonable grounds for detaining you, unlike the all encompassing TSA stuff. Nor do they do all that many of them. That said, pat downs aren't worth a cent unless you're looking for relatively large objects.
And no, I don't support this level of security in Australia. If you get to this stage you may as well just make everyone to fly in the nude with no luggage. As a female airport worker I would be really uncomfortable about some of the security people here having access to those sorts of images. At least I have the option of staying out of the terminals.
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The open hand procedures mandated for America’s totally out of control Transport Security Administration involve manually determining the orientation of the penis and testicles
And no, I don't support this level of security in Australia. If you get to this stage you may as well just make everyone to fly in the nude with no luggage. As a female airport worker I would be really uncomfortable about some of the security people here having access to those sorts of images. At least I have the option of staying out of the terminals.
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I already refuse explosive detection in public and require the private screening option, its good because it means some monkey manager also has to come in to make sure the procedures are done properly. Quite frankly I use all of the monkeys to their maximum resources because I CAN and I do consistently. It makes me laugh too. The best thing is after I fertilized my lawn it was like a major security alert while I relaxed because I was being paid while these monkeys crapped on about me. Meanwhile let the delays begin while the monkeys stay behind in their little world (Which is about 100 square meters! lol! We will always win and think about it that way, I mean quite frankly what is the effectivness of the screenings for pilots? Nothing, thats why I call them monkeys. Worthless peanut eaters.
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How things have changed. A patdown carried out on a pilot of 20 years ago would probably almost certainly bring on a "piss off mate" the for the patee. I hope this is still the reaction.
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I'm hearing you TG.
I got a verbal at security the other day. My crime? Forgot i had some water in my bag (intl.). I suspect that wouldn't have happened in your day either. Occasionally though I fly with guys that don't tolerate it. Makes for an entertaining trip!
Where did the respect go?
I guess this stuff will get more press/attention when these scanners start rocking up.
I got a verbal at security the other day. My crime? Forgot i had some water in my bag (intl.). I suspect that wouldn't have happened in your day either. Occasionally though I fly with guys that don't tolerate it. Makes for an entertaining trip!
Where did the respect go?
I guess this stuff will get more press/attention when these scanners start rocking up.
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While they're scrutinising you for having a bottle of water in your bag I'm outside repairing a part with my multi tool on the same apron. Yeah that makes sense.
Why cant they offer the same private access to airline crews as other operators/airport ground staff.
Finally what makes the screening staff immune to breaching security? Are they and custom staff sworn into the job? If so why cant the crews be given that option.
Why cant they offer the same private access to airline crews as other operators/airport ground staff.
Finally what makes the screening staff immune to breaching security? Are they and custom staff sworn into the job? If so why cant the crews be given that option.
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Attention all Long Haul Cabin Crew
WHOLE BODY SCANNING
In coming weeks it is likely that the issues associated with whole body scanning at airport security checkpoints will become a news item. The Federal Government intends to introduce this security screening procedure as early as next year.
During the past 12 months, your Union has been monitoring the deployment of whole body ionising scanners at airports and the operation of these units in other countries. Melbourne OH&S Representative & FAAA Delegate, Brian Wilson has been coordinating this work.
The FAAA has also been in contact with prominent specialists including scientists who developed the whole body scanning system at the direction of then US President George Bush following 'September 11' – the FAAA is also working with the Pilots Union (AIPA), Qantas and OH&S specialists at Trades Hall.
Currently the Australian Government has not undertaken any formal consultation with Aircrew despite the presence of 'trial units' in Sydney and Melbourne in 2009.There are also numerous discrepancies between State based OH&S legislation. (For example there is no agreed national standard in connection ionising radiation and in Victoria; there are no limits whatsoever to the amount of radiation an employee can be exposed to).
Amongst our concerns are the exposure risks to pregnant crew or crew who may be recovering from cancer or similar conditions. These concerns are particularly important given that frequent scans may be imposed, Aircrew have no means by which to monitor the amount of radiation they are exposed to and there is no provision for refusal.
The FAAA is also concerned that as yet no procedures have been developed for the operation of these radiation devices and that they may be operated by casual security contractors without appropriate training or qualifications.
Together with the Base OH&S Committees, the FAAA will continue to monitor the Australian Government's progress and will seek proper consultation, accurate information and importantly, assurances of your safety.
We will issue updates as appropriate, however Crew (both Members and non-members) are encouraged to forward any questions or comments to [email protected]
Written by Brian Wilson - FAAA QCCA Delegate and Regulatory Affairs
and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division
Attention all Long Haul Cabin Crew
WHOLE BODY SCANNING
In coming weeks it is likely that the issues associated with whole body scanning at airport security checkpoints will become a news item. The Federal Government intends to introduce this security screening procedure as early as next year.
During the past 12 months, your Union has been monitoring the deployment of whole body ionising scanners at airports and the operation of these units in other countries. Melbourne OH&S Representative & FAAA Delegate, Brian Wilson has been coordinating this work.
The FAAA has also been in contact with prominent specialists including scientists who developed the whole body scanning system at the direction of then US President George Bush following 'September 11' – the FAAA is also working with the Pilots Union (AIPA), Qantas and OH&S specialists at Trades Hall.
Currently the Australian Government has not undertaken any formal consultation with Aircrew despite the presence of 'trial units' in Sydney and Melbourne in 2009.There are also numerous discrepancies between State based OH&S legislation. (For example there is no agreed national standard in connection ionising radiation and in Victoria; there are no limits whatsoever to the amount of radiation an employee can be exposed to).
Amongst our concerns are the exposure risks to pregnant crew or crew who may be recovering from cancer or similar conditions. These concerns are particularly important given that frequent scans may be imposed, Aircrew have no means by which to monitor the amount of radiation they are exposed to and there is no provision for refusal.
The FAAA is also concerned that as yet no procedures have been developed for the operation of these radiation devices and that they may be operated by casual security contractors without appropriate training or qualifications.
Together with the Base OH&S Committees, the FAAA will continue to monitor the Australian Government's progress and will seek proper consultation, accurate information and importantly, assurances of your safety.
We will issue updates as appropriate, however Crew (both Members and non-members) are encouraged to forward any questions or comments to [email protected]
Written by Brian Wilson - FAAA QCCA Delegate and Regulatory Affairs
and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division
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The line the unions should be taking in my opinion is this:
Baggage handlers, caterers and cleaners are not subject to this screening and thus the possible long term side effects it may cause. It is therefore the case that screening aircrew is an unnecessary potentially harmful procedure that in actual fact does not render airside "sterile" at all.
Jokes aside I fear this is actually quite a serious matter. I know we will hear from some expert that argues that its in no way harmful. How many times have these "experts" over time been proven wrong. Mobile phones, asbestos and who knows what else.
I think i'd be very slightly more comfortable if the screening of aircrew did in actual fact render airside totally sterile. The reality however is that its a staged populist policy so the travelling public think that its totally safe to travel by air.
If its no good for pregnant aircrew its no good for any aircrew.
Baggage handlers, caterers and cleaners are not subject to this screening and thus the possible long term side effects it may cause. It is therefore the case that screening aircrew is an unnecessary potentially harmful procedure that in actual fact does not render airside "sterile" at all.
Jokes aside I fear this is actually quite a serious matter. I know we will hear from some expert that argues that its in no way harmful. How many times have these "experts" over time been proven wrong. Mobile phones, asbestos and who knows what else.
I think i'd be very slightly more comfortable if the screening of aircrew did in actual fact render airside totally sterile. The reality however is that its a staged populist policy so the travelling public think that its totally safe to travel by air.
If its no good for pregnant aircrew its no good for any aircrew.
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The line will be 'there is no evidence of any danger in undergoing these scans'. Obviously not, as they are new and there hasn't been any research into the long term consequences of multiple exposure to these particular scans; however, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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Security is a populist policy, no screening for caterers, cleaners, baggage handlers, engineers, police (and history has well and truly proven they can't all be trusted) who else?
Freight which is loaded on board is not screened, and all this is before we even consider the benefits of screening.
Any self respecting terrorist can make his way through security without a ETD, it's a s simple as waiting until the screeners pick sme one ahead of you, we all do it, we all know it's simple.
Bullets, "grenades" and regularly other significant items make it through.
My point being it is a smoke screen is for the general publics benefit, I believe the way to fight it is in the media. Dispell the security myth publicly, high light the dangers to the general public. Public opinion is what drives our politicians, nothing else. Let the public know what really happens out there, we would all individually expect to be told the truth about public policy and procedure, why don't we grant the general public right?
Freight which is loaded on board is not screened, and all this is before we even consider the benefits of screening.
Any self respecting terrorist can make his way through security without a ETD, it's a s simple as waiting until the screeners pick sme one ahead of you, we all do it, we all know it's simple.
Bullets, "grenades" and regularly other significant items make it through.
My point being it is a smoke screen is for the general publics benefit, I believe the way to fight it is in the media. Dispell the security myth publicly, high light the dangers to the general public. Public opinion is what drives our politicians, nothing else. Let the public know what really happens out there, we would all individually expect to be told the truth about public policy and procedure, why don't we grant the general public right?
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Given all of that and the possible health implications multiple exposures might have why should we be screened multiple times.
If the government wants to play pretend let them do it without us.
If the government wants to play pretend let them do it without us.
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i feel these Body Scanners are just another money making scam
person carrying illegal stuff on them self can be well detected through passenger profiling which atleast works at custom check point most of the times.
i feel these Body Scanners are just another money making scam
person carrying illegal stuff on them self can be well detected through passenger profiling which atleast works at custom check point most of the times.
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Customs have a lot more information re personal profiling and are certainly more highly trained than the bouncers at security.
If you talking about profiling via appearance, I could live with that personally, but can you imagine the civil libertarians and lefties. It will never happen. More likely to harass the straight, white male with a good job, no criminal record and been a citizen of this country since birth. There is no way they will select the obvious.
If you talking about profiling via appearance, I could live with that personally, but can you imagine the civil libertarians and lefties. It will never happen. More likely to harass the straight, white male with a good job, no criminal record and been a citizen of this country since birth. There is no way they will select the obvious.
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Code 89 - quite correct - in fact the spend on "security" is used as the justification for uplifts in the pax movement charges and the proposed 'infrastructure' fund.
As we all know airside access is far from sterile and the systems offer little by way of integrity, common standards and deliver nothing more than window dressing.
For instance last week (yet again) I walked airside onto the apron and through the back of house area at Y*** as did others. No check of ASIC, no screening, no nothing.
This is everyday aviation at one of the nation's capital city airports! [Oh........ and before the believers in the system respond yes it was reported - result nil action]
Whole body scanning is a waste of money and given the lack of consultation, information and knowledge, for Aircrew subjected to regular exposures it may well be aviation's version of thalidamide.
The only weapons of terror whole body scanners will reveal are those strategic and under utilised sections of some State OHS Acts to which the 'requirement to submit' under the whole body scanning procedure is wholly subordinate.
Pprune Prediction:
introduction will be delayed until after the transition of State OHS Acts to the proposed Federal Act in 2012.
AT
As we all know airside access is far from sterile and the systems offer little by way of integrity, common standards and deliver nothing more than window dressing.
For instance last week (yet again) I walked airside onto the apron and through the back of house area at Y*** as did others. No check of ASIC, no screening, no nothing.
This is everyday aviation at one of the nation's capital city airports! [Oh........ and before the believers in the system respond yes it was reported - result nil action]
Whole body scanning is a waste of money and given the lack of consultation, information and knowledge, for Aircrew subjected to regular exposures it may well be aviation's version of thalidamide.
The only weapons of terror whole body scanners will reveal are those strategic and under utilised sections of some State OHS Acts to which the 'requirement to submit' under the whole body scanning procedure is wholly subordinate.
Pprune Prediction:
introduction will be delayed until after the transition of State OHS Acts to the proposed Federal Act in 2012.
AT
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For shorthaul crew this would amount to ~175 exposures per annum, combined with airborne exposure. Aircrew are already have one of the highest occupational radiation exposures any group.
This will not come to pass. Pilots & flight attendants will refuse this point blank. This is non-negotiable, personally I'd "dying in the ditch" to stop this.
Backscatter X-ray Health effects wikipedia link.
This will not come to pass. Pilots & flight attendants will refuse this point blank. This is non-negotiable, personally I'd "dying in the ditch" to stop this.
Backscatter X-ray Health effects wikipedia link.
Originally Posted by wikipedia
Fathers exposed to medical diagnostic x-rays are more likely to have infants who contract leukemia, especially if exposure is closer to conception or includes two or more X-rays of the lower gastrointestinal (GI) tract or lower abdomen.[30] In medical radiography the x-ray beam is adjusted to expose only the area of which an image is required, so that generally shielding is applied to the patient to avoid exposing the gonads,[31] whereas in an airport backscatter scan, the testicles of men and boys will be deliberately subjected to the direct beam, and radiation will also reach the ovaries of female subjects. Whilst the overall dose averaged over the entire body is lower in a backscatter X-ray scan than in a typical medical X-ray examination, because of the shielding of the gonads used in medical radiography this in itself does not mean that the dose to the testicles would be less in an airport scan.
Last edited by breakfastburrito; 12th Nov 2010 at 01:09. Reason: link added