Its Time Mr.Joyce
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Pot Of Gold - Where ?
Sorry framer - I agree with you in principle but it won't happen. If AJ was to get back to principles and rejuvinate the brand, bring all the maintenance back to AUS and re-engage his decimated workforce he would have to spend money, and he certainly does not understand that concept. Besides, the ever precious shareholders as well as his own wallet could never tolerate the hit that is necessary to turn the Aussie icon around.
It is far too late and too far gone. Darth commenced 'operation ****e' back in 2003 and it continues 7 years later. QF is a shell of its former self. Sad days indeed.
It is far too late and too far gone. Darth commenced 'operation ****e' back in 2003 and it continues 7 years later. QF is a shell of its former self. Sad days indeed.
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I did say it was light hearted, short Circuit. My point being this A380 seems to have been a problem since day one, and in every fleet there appears to be a lemon. Certainly a wakeup call for QF. As far as Joyce is concerned he inherited a wreck, ( not just that A380) 36,000 disgrunted staff, engineering almost destroyed, (aircraft going out with 76 hold items, for crying out loud) unhead of before, ( I don't even want to ask how many trans quals) he has a huge job in turning it all around, but at least the man is approachable. For those who worked in JQ, they found he would take the time to speak to them, did not loathe pilots, and was reasonably liked. Time will tell. Give him a chance.
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Well if AJ's role is to create shareholder value, where is brand value,quality,customer opinion and an unreliable airline measured in that equation.
This is typical Harvard stuff and it is the old story, how do you create a million dollar company...give a Harvard graduate a $100m company and wait......
I am sick and tired of these so called experts ignoring the things that make a good company for the sake of short term personal gains.
Please someone have some backbone and stop letting them get away with it.
This is typical Harvard stuff and it is the old story, how do you create a million dollar company...give a Harvard graduate a $100m company and wait......
I am sick and tired of these so called experts ignoring the things that make a good company for the sake of short term personal gains.
Please someone have some backbone and stop letting them get away with it.
[and I am one!]
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I was in Sydney Line Maintenance some 20 years ago. The Civil Aviation Authourity had a decree that an aircraft could not leave Main Base with any open items [ Hold Items. ADD, MEL, call it what you will ] in the log book. Any infraction would mean they would take some type of action. An aircraft could transit through Main Base without trouble, but no open items allowed departing Main base on higher checks.
So what has happened, has the CASA relaxed this rule and why ?. If it was in force a couple of years ago when the engineers took PIA, then the fleet would have been grounded.
I once saw an American B747 freighter that had some 97 deferred items in the log book, when it departed Sydney the count was some 103. One of them had been there for over a year. !!!
So what has happened, has the CASA relaxed this rule and why ?. If it was in force a couple of years ago when the engineers took PIA, then the fleet would have been grounded.
I once saw an American B747 freighter that had some 97 deferred items in the log book, when it departed Sydney the count was some 103. One of them had been there for over a year. !!!
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Do you still have the retained knowledge in engineering to get it back?
Is what you have lost in people recoverable?
Have you had too many years of beancounters and that ilk, to get back to the 90 years of an ingrained safety culture that QANTAS executive have been 'trading' on for the last X years.
It's like a sporting teams Executive that trumpets to the members that we won premierships 5/10/20 years ago, and expecting us to forget that they have done sod all lately. You're only as good as your last Flag/Cup, and you can only trade on that for so long.
Is what you have lost in people recoverable?
Have you had too many years of beancounters and that ilk, to get back to the 90 years of an ingrained safety culture that QANTAS executive have been 'trading' on for the last X years.
It's like a sporting teams Executive that trumpets to the members that we won premierships 5/10/20 years ago, and expecting us to forget that they have done sod all lately. You're only as good as your last Flag/Cup, and you can only trade on that for so long.
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Maybe airlines don't actually work well as publically listed shareholder companies.
The "semi-independent business backed by government" model that's popular with ME carriers may be a better long term structure because it allows for short term costs in the interests of both long term growth and safety, as well as long range strategic planning.
The "semi-independent business backed by government" model that's popular with ME carriers may be a better long term structure because it allows for short term costs in the interests of both long term growth and safety, as well as long range strategic planning.
Maybe airlines don't actually work well as publically listed shareholder companies.
The "semi-independent business backed by government" model that's popular with ME carriers may be a better long term structure because it allows for short term costs in the interests of both long term growth and safety, as well as long range strategic planning.
The "semi-independent business backed by government" model that's popular with ME carriers may be a better long term structure because it allows for short term costs in the interests of both long term growth and safety, as well as long range strategic planning.
Probably the best statement I have ever read on this forum.
Pretty much sums it all up!!!!!!
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Of course we don't live in a fantasy world do we. It is 2010. Managers get rewarded based on how much money they can save.
I've been around the world a lot and have never yet seen a business cost-cut it's way to success.
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Agree VH, however, the MDA(Master of Dixon Admin) Graduates have a contrary view.
Its ALL about head count reductions and constant cost cutting.
Just take a look at the Q Futures ( aka Sustainable Future Group) "team". Their mandate is to rip, strip and slash anything with a $$ next to it.
The ironical thing about this was -that the previous "team" was too effective and they were all made redundant to save $$$$$$.
The years of pillage from the Darth/Dame "reign of terror" will be looked back upon at the Qantas 100 year Birthday Bash as BLACK YEARS indeed.
The day it was announced(proudly) that Catering were taking all Swizzle Sticks off aircraft to save "fuel burn".......is an event that still makes me laugh
And to think ....some chump received a bonus for "dreaming" this one up
Its ALL about head count reductions and constant cost cutting.
Just take a look at the Q Futures ( aka Sustainable Future Group) "team". Their mandate is to rip, strip and slash anything with a $$ next to it.
The ironical thing about this was -that the previous "team" was too effective and they were all made redundant to save $$$$$$.
The years of pillage from the Darth/Dame "reign of terror" will be looked back upon at the Qantas 100 year Birthday Bash as BLACK YEARS indeed.
The day it was announced(proudly) that Catering were taking all Swizzle Sticks off aircraft to save "fuel burn".......is an event that still makes me laugh
And to think ....some chump received a bonus for "dreaming" this one up
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QF are the best airline in the world
Well, all those years of watching people you worked with who you wouldn't let reverse park your push bike saying they got into QANTAS is finally comming to a grinding climax. Didn't it always just make you wonder how the biggest incompetent fool in your group of colegues was always the QANTAS star employee? Well we are now seeing why, it just goes to show that across the board whether it be management, maintenence or flight crew they always just seem to sift out the highest calibre of idiot, as they say birds of feather flock together.
HA HA still laughing!!!!
HA HA still laughing!!!!
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I'm afraid that VB have also come to the party on this issue. The VB tests are not as extensive as the QF ones but some parts are the same. QF give you the spatial, verbal reasoning and maths as well as the personality type indicator tests. VB have now introduced the personality type indicator test only. This test is from the same company that does the QF ones but I think that VB accept a wider variety of personalities than QF so this company still offers opportunities to people not just robots.
Sour grapes perhaps.
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I do have intimate knowledge of both enough to know that I only see the end result of both companies recruitment and that the good guys always seem to fail the first you mentioned and succeed at the latter
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newjetpilot:
Wow, I thought Qantas had disbanded it's pilot recruiting section in Mainline?
Hell, mates of mine in "Classic" Qantas can't even remember how long ago the last pilot course started, not to mention promotion!
So which Qantas are you referring to here Newbiejetpilot?
Qantaslink?
Sunstate?
Eastern?
Jetstar Australia?
Jetstar New Zealand?
Jetstar Asia?
Jetstar Pacific?
Jetconnect?
Australian Air Express?
or what ever other "vehicle" Qantas use for expansion?
So which one????
Have I missed any?????
VB & QF recruitment test
I only see the end result of both companies recruitment and that the good guys always seem to fail the first you mentioned and succeed at the latter
Hell, mates of mine in "Classic" Qantas can't even remember how long ago the last pilot course started, not to mention promotion!
So which Qantas are you referring to here Newbiejetpilot?
Qantaslink?
Sunstate?
Eastern?
Jetstar Australia?
Jetstar New Zealand?
Jetstar Asia?
Jetstar Pacific?
Jetconnect?
Australian Air Express?
or what ever other "vehicle" Qantas use for expansion?
So which one????
Have I missed any?????
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blow.n.gasket - Yes you failed to mention the current plans taking shape under the JQ brand. In the next 18 months there will be a minimun of 4 to 6 new JQ brands internationaly. Watch this space.....
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And it's the multitude of Jetstar brands that will see the organisations undoing......
A hypothetical of course, but when a J* aircraft based in (insert foreign country here) with crew based in (insert another foreign country here) runs off the end of a runway in (insert foreign secondary airport here). The media will report it as a J* aircraft therefore damaging the local aussie brand.
MC
A hypothetical of course, but when a J* aircraft based in (insert foreign country here) with crew based in (insert another foreign country here) runs off the end of a runway in (insert foreign secondary airport here). The media will report it as a J* aircraft therefore damaging the local aussie brand.
MC
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MC, Today's managers (a term used very loosely) do not think about or contemplate such an event occurring. They don't analyse the risks, they don't care about the brand nor do they give a pint of panther piss about what happens in the future. They live for today (and a few quick $ million) and will be gone tomorrow.
This industry is too far gone sadly. Those of us who have spent a lifetime in aviation know the system like the scars of our hands and know only too well that the inevitable 'big one' is coming.
This industry is too far gone sadly. Those of us who have spent a lifetime in aviation know the system like the scars of our hands and know only too well that the inevitable 'big one' is coming.
Newjetpilot:
I am aware of one person who had a learning disability at school. God knows how he got his commercial pilots licence.
He now flies for Qantas.
I do have intimate knowledge of both enough to know that I only see the end result of both companies recruitment and that the good guys always seem to fail the first you mentioned and succeed at the latter
He now flies for Qantas.
