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Old 7th Nov 2012, 00:53
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is there any good to come from this as a LAME and the ALAEA?
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 04:27
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Bar Mitzvah, engine change, peanuts and circumcision anyone?

Gold!!
Qantas soothes Jewish concerns

by Damon Kitney
From:The Australian
November 03, 2012 12:00AM

QANTAS has moved to reassure members of the Australian Jewish community that they will be able to fly to Europe and Britain on partner airlines without travelling through the United Arab Emirates after the airline's landmark deal with Dubai-based Emirates.

Senior figures in the Jewish community are believed to have been initially angered by Qantas's decision to sign a joint venture with Emirates in September because of the problems it would cause Israeli passport holders and due to the UAE being a participant in the Arab League boycott of Israel.


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Old 7th Nov 2012, 04:50
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all they want to do is screw the LAME'S,for protecting the public who fly,these gov ministers and qf management are all in bed together,this time vote this gov out.
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is there any good to come from this as a LAME and the ALAEA?
If they had not pushed this in the first place then they would of not had the judgement about it being unprotected action. Sometimes it is better to know when you are on the back foot. It's a rather comprehensive judgement in that the judge did go out on a limb to give them an extra chance as he considered it in the public interest. He then decided what happened was not.

It would seem the general protection clauses will give some support if people are diligent in carrying out the CA. This is a matter of public policy. But this case shows you can't sit on them on a known issues then bring it up when desired for no reason. You need to be diligent from day 1. If you do not act on it promptly but then do later it is considered that you are either (1) putting people in danger not carrying out your role or (2) believe otherwise but trying to cause issues.

The other important thing was also they could not show there was any culture of danger. The airline fixed the issues before placing the aircraft back and had supported rectifying the issue on an aircraft earlier

It turns on how the people acted not if they acted. Actions should of been done in a way to minimise damage (that does not mean you don't act on issues, just not in a manner which causes more damage than necessary). Especially durring times like those.

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Old 7th Nov 2012, 06:18
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I thought the issue was first presented to CASA and/or DOTARS who promptly handballed it and as a result it was then written up as a defect because the LAMEs had nowhere else to go and were legally exposed if someone busted open the door in flight causing a security breach hence the delay between finding the defect and writing it up.

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Old 7th Nov 2012, 06:22
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The judge got the sequence of events wrong. As soon as the defect was found it was reported. The previously known shimming fix was related to something else.

It is more like this. The judge decides he is going to rule one way. He then throws every reason he can even remotely think of into the decision to deter the losing party from appealing his finding.

Not much good to come out of this though. It may be the catalyst for change to aviation laws though.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 06:51
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Read the judgement. There is a length discussion on when they knew about the issue. There were too many issues with the story.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 08:44
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What are the many issues with this story?
I though there was only one as LAME's.
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Old 7th Nov 2012, 23:37
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The issue was their stories changed in different declarations. They got to a point where they conflicted with paper evidence and work tasks which meant the judge had little reason to follow them.

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Old 8th Nov 2012, 10:32
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I think that it would not have gone to court anyway, if CASA had backed the LAMEs in the first place. CASA should get a bullet for allowing this to get so far. The latches were clearly defective. They had to be written up to get them replaced. There is no other avenue for the LAME to use. The LAME can't just wait for crew to raise defects, because they also are too scared to put pen to paper. This is a useless situation and it can't improve unless something changes
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Old 8th Nov 2012, 10:46
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This is a useless situation and it can't improve unless something changes
This is so true. Our whole industry is stuffed because of a useless Government and morally corrupt airline Executives.
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Old 8th Nov 2012, 11:39
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To the innocent bystander, it appears that the defect was written up at end of shift, mmm now that makes me wonder, and then was rectified by a certifying LAME prior to release to service.
Or is the evidence to hand incorrect?
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Old 8th Nov 2012, 21:44
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The flight deck door safety/security issue came up during a long,company protracted EBA where lowly qlink managers could not be compromising with any employees in the Qantas group. The fact that it was the end of a shift is not significant. It actually gave the management lame time to "do his own thing" and clear the defect reports before the next mornings flying. If they had written them up in the morning, it would have been a real problem with pilots sitting on the flight deck and passengers at the gate.
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Old 8th Nov 2012, 23:04
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Court case

Was it slated for hearing in the correct way. Having read the report it was interesting to see that they the LAME's coluded to cause disruption to the company business. LAME's australia wide could be accused of colusion everyday as we often ask other LAME's about defects found or are asked by other LAME's have you ever seen this defect and how did you rectify it.

So it would appear that when push comes to shove as in this case, you are only allowed to defect one airplane at a time even if it is a common problem or to make 6 individual phone calls to the trusted management engineer (who's bonus is directly linked to aircraft departures) to make the correct assessment of the defect
I hope we never have to resort to the later comment
"LONG LIVE COLUSION"
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"LONG LIVE COLUSION"
Most collusion takes place in Board Rooms, in executive Politician lounges, in the Courthouse chambers and in the spin doctors 'war rooms'.
Long live collusion you say? To late to prevent it happenning, its here and here to stay. Welcome to a 'democratic society'. Bulls#it.
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Old 10th Nov 2012, 06:39
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Remember its only a Scam if your not involved
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What a joke SP has turned into , he knows better than a qualified judge . Steve you are an average LAME but a very poor lawyer
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Old 30th Dec 2012, 23:50
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Sunnies Engineer's or whats left!

Question: we have had the ruling so where to now ?

I see ads for permies not contractors in Brisbane, has the EBA or EA been resolved or will the new guy's be employed under the very attractive old EBA which caused the stink in the first place.
I also hear through the grapevine EAA are now 2 EA's ahead of the sunny boys.

Has somebody dropped the ball and lost it in the tall grass, it seems appaling that there is such a divide between 2 groups operating the same equipment under the same banner.

As for another thread "Jets for the Link" already covered with Cobham and now Network.

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Old 2nd Jan 2013, 07:49
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Yes , the ego of the FS got in the way of proper advice and representation
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