Rumour: Sunstate Engineers suspended over aircraft sabotage?
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QLink EBA or non discussions with staff
Here we are nearing the end of Mar 2011, current agreement finished 30 June 2009.
Progress so far :
1. Engineer's fined for being at work fixing aircraft.
2. Engineer's stood down for highlighting defects on aircraft, supposedly against company policy.
3. CASA brought in to investigate - don't get involved with industrial issues.
Must have been a good spin by the management to relate defects to industrial issues
4. Third party maintenance set up to do work - how can this be cheaper than log of claims originally raised by engineer's and summarily dismissed as being too costly.
5. ferrying aircraft empty to get checks done - no cost there either !
6. Aircraft due to be modified/upgraded for the defect that wasn't. See CASA obviously nothing wrong here when mod's being carried out after the fact.
The silence is deafening from both parties.
Currently being told to hang on and enjoy the ride - well I'm ready so somebody had better push the button to get this sucker moving or boredom will set in.
Currently way behind the eight ball in relation to other operators, can't see it changing in the near future. Still trying to play catch up to gain equality, then to see the opposition pull away again.
Progress so far :
1. Engineer's fined for being at work fixing aircraft.
2. Engineer's stood down for highlighting defects on aircraft, supposedly against company policy.
3. CASA brought in to investigate - don't get involved with industrial issues.
Must have been a good spin by the management to relate defects to industrial issues
4. Third party maintenance set up to do work - how can this be cheaper than log of claims originally raised by engineer's and summarily dismissed as being too costly.
5. ferrying aircraft empty to get checks done - no cost there either !
6. Aircraft due to be modified/upgraded for the defect that wasn't. See CASA obviously nothing wrong here when mod's being carried out after the fact.
The silence is deafening from both parties.
Currently being told to hang on and enjoy the ride - well I'm ready so somebody had better push the button to get this sucker moving or boredom will set in.
Currently way behind the eight ball in relation to other operators, can't see it changing in the near future. Still trying to play catch up to gain equality, then to see the opposition pull away again.
Here we are nearing the end of Mar 2011, current agreement finished 30 June 2009.
Progress so far :
1. Engineer's fined for being at work fixing aircraft.
2. Engineer's stood down for highlighting defects on aircraft, supposedly against company polic
Progress so far :
1. Engineer's fined for being at work fixing aircraft.
2. Engineer's stood down for highlighting defects on aircraft, supposedly against company polic
Just askin'
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Good luck with that Arnold. I can hear it now, "the lawyers made me do it".
Just makes you wonder why? When all this has been dished out to a bunch of guys who agreed to the whole deal, in principle, plus worked out a new roster for them which the company agreed, yet the managers still could not find a way to settle the dispute down.
You wouldn't let them run the school raffle. But hey, they are great talent scouts
Just makes you wonder why? When all this has been dished out to a bunch of guys who agreed to the whole deal, in principle, plus worked out a new roster for them which the company agreed, yet the managers still could not find a way to settle the dispute down.
You wouldn't let them run the school raffle. But hey, they are great talent scouts
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Yes it did. You can read the submission from the ALAEA from the senate page.
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Call me stupid but where can I read your submission.
Is it on the ALAEA site or Gov site ?
I hear through the grapevine Q400 engine seized solid - internal failure.
Qantas and engines not a good mix at present, also believe Qlink operate power by the hour. Surely trend monitoring gave a small hint of impending doom - very rare to have catastrophic failure without some kind of parameter warnings.
Call me stupid but where can I read your submission.
Is it on the ALAEA site or Gov site ?
I hear through the grapevine Q400 engine seized solid - internal failure.
Qantas and engines not a good mix at present, also believe Qlink operate power by the hour. Surely trend monitoring gave a small hint of impending doom - very rare to have catastrophic failure without some kind of parameter warnings.
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Engine failure- **** happens
The person who looks at the trend monitoring didn't want to report the trend change because they would get docked 4 hours pay.
BoBo,
Trends need to be understood - usually done by people with engine type experience not monkeys working to a price.
Experienced person - tech manager working night and day covering work in brissy. Too busy to do his proper job !
Plus with the checks far apart and the constraints of the schedule and not scheduling maintenance into bris vegas ( no maintenance facility there) as all special equipment and a lot of the spares now moved to where maintenance can be carried out (third party).
Its a case of "crossing the fingers and hoping it lasts" - oops didn't make it.
BoBo,
Trends need to be understood - usually done by people with engine type experience not monkeys working to a price.
Experienced person - tech manager working night and day covering work in brissy. Too busy to do his proper job !
Plus with the checks far apart and the constraints of the schedule and not scheduling maintenance into bris vegas ( no maintenance facility there) as all special equipment and a lot of the spares now moved to where maintenance can be carried out (third party).
Its a case of "crossing the fingers and hoping it lasts" - oops didn't make it.
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Bad mouthing engineers
Hear through the grapevine QLink engineering manager bad mouthing his current staff to as many other operators as he can.
What - is he scared they might leave.
Why would they do that when he runs such a happy place.
If this happened to you would you not think twice about the reason for the outburst. If they are so bad wouldn't you be happy to get rid of them and not hinder their departure - make it somebody else's problem.
Maybe he is such a good person that he wants to keep all the bad engineers to himself so that nobody else has to put up with them - what a matyr.
What - is he scared they might leave.
Why would they do that when he runs such a happy place.
If this happened to you would you not think twice about the reason for the outburst. If they are so bad wouldn't you be happy to get rid of them and not hinder their departure - make it somebody else's problem.
Maybe he is such a good person that he wants to keep all the bad engineers to himself so that nobody else has to put up with them - what a matyr.
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poor management
Thanks fed sec for the links to the senate inquire. I have been reading various blogs into the different situations the company Qantas and affiliated subsidiary have chosen to discipline their employees.
It sounds to me that Pilots and engineers who have uncover a safety concerns all have raised the problem with their local management. For some reason management have failed to implement a plan of action to rectify the issues (some may call it negligence). The pilots and engineers not receiving any follow up action by management have had to seek other methods to have the problem solved eg either going to their unions or the regulating authority. When the company have got wind of this they drag the employee over the coals for not going through company policy and procedures to get a resolution. They make any excuse to terminate their employment or discipline them for bring the companies name into disrepute.
All these issue where bought up with management and they fail to do anything about it. It is these so called managers who have given Qantas the bad name and are running it into the ground. They are trying to offset their incompetence by placing the blame on hard working individuals who actually give a dame about airline safety and the well being of its passengers. And the managers only care about lining their pockets
But what I do not under stand is that this type of pathetic management style is all throughout this company from mainline to j* and Q-Link. I didn’t think that there where so many evil low life’s who have no morals
There are so many cases where employees have raised concerns and instead of being praised for doing a great job and highlighting potential risks are instead punished because the manager thinks he will be questioned about the matter and will be found out about his apparent lack of skills the flaws in there management ability and so try to cover it up by removing and or disciplining the employee for bring a concern to light instead of encourage excellent work place ethics which would result in a safer and more efficient environment and there would be no need for arse covering
The end result from the negligence of these companies will be a catastrophic incident and no doubt the typical management will not except any blame and past the buck onto the pilots or engineers. And the flight crew and passengers will pay the ultimate price
It’s a very bleak future for Qantas if it survives the raping from executives and their poor management teams. It will surly no longer been an Australian company and why should an Irishman care.
It sounds to me that Pilots and engineers who have uncover a safety concerns all have raised the problem with their local management. For some reason management have failed to implement a plan of action to rectify the issues (some may call it negligence). The pilots and engineers not receiving any follow up action by management have had to seek other methods to have the problem solved eg either going to their unions or the regulating authority. When the company have got wind of this they drag the employee over the coals for not going through company policy and procedures to get a resolution. They make any excuse to terminate their employment or discipline them for bring the companies name into disrepute.
All these issue where bought up with management and they fail to do anything about it. It is these so called managers who have given Qantas the bad name and are running it into the ground. They are trying to offset their incompetence by placing the blame on hard working individuals who actually give a dame about airline safety and the well being of its passengers. And the managers only care about lining their pockets
But what I do not under stand is that this type of pathetic management style is all throughout this company from mainline to j* and Q-Link. I didn’t think that there where so many evil low life’s who have no morals
There are so many cases where employees have raised concerns and instead of being praised for doing a great job and highlighting potential risks are instead punished because the manager thinks he will be questioned about the matter and will be found out about his apparent lack of skills the flaws in there management ability and so try to cover it up by removing and or disciplining the employee for bring a concern to light instead of encourage excellent work place ethics which would result in a safer and more efficient environment and there would be no need for arse covering
The end result from the negligence of these companies will be a catastrophic incident and no doubt the typical management will not except any blame and past the buck onto the pilots or engineers. And the flight crew and passengers will pay the ultimate price
It’s a very bleak future for Qantas if it survives the raping from executives and their poor management teams. It will surly no longer been an Australian company and why should an Irishman care.
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Agreed. After reading the 37 page submission from the ALAEA the industry IS in a downward spiral in regards to safety reporting by LAMES's to their non-aviation background puppet managers. What's more concerning is that the industry benchmark ie Qantas group is named in all the occurances in the submission. You have KS from Network (now QLINK) who got the boot by LE for finding defects on a F100 when it came out of a c-check. You have the entire sunstate saga (Qlink) which every LAME in Aus has been aware of. And then you have the whole Jit* pacific saga where once again LAME's doing there job IAW the regs/approved maint data have been completely shafted.
The Q group should be setting the standard - not lowering it. Thanks to the ALAEA for highlighting to the senate the type of treatment LAME's are often subjected to when grounding an aircraft due to safety concerns or
lack of approved test equipment or parts. Commercial pressure is VERY REAL in this day and age and LAME's have a constant fight on their hands to do their job right - by the book/regs without fear of retribution by their employer. Thanks to Steve and the team for all your efforts.
The Q group should be setting the standard - not lowering it. Thanks to the ALAEA for highlighting to the senate the type of treatment LAME's are often subjected to when grounding an aircraft due to safety concerns or
lack of approved test equipment or parts. Commercial pressure is VERY REAL in this day and age and LAME's have a constant fight on their hands to do their job right - by the book/regs without fear of retribution by their employer. Thanks to Steve and the team for all your efforts.
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Qantas POOR
Well here we are another week of the IRISH crying poor.
Interesting article in the news paper today, top 9 execs at Q so proud of posting profit gave themselves big back slap and 58% increase in wages.
So lets see 58% of 4 mil = 2.32 mil nice bonus to make the next year more bearable - should cover the cost of living increases.
Staff increase 3% example wage 61000 = 1830 nearly covers increase in electricity and water. Doesn't cover fuel and groceries. damn get over it.
You work for the caring sharing Q management.
Interesting article in the news paper today, top 9 execs at Q so proud of posting profit gave themselves big back slap and 58% increase in wages.
So lets see 58% of 4 mil = 2.32 mil nice bonus to make the next year more bearable - should cover the cost of living increases.
Staff increase 3% example wage 61000 = 1830 nearly covers increase in electricity and water. Doesn't cover fuel and groceries. damn get over it.
You work for the caring sharing Q management.
Staff increase 3% example wage 61000 = 1830 nearly covers increase in electricity and water. Doesn't cover fuel and groceries. damn get over it.
You work for the caring sharing Q management.
You work for the caring sharing Q management.
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All aboard the gravy train - First stop Mascot
Interesting article in the news paper today, top 9 execs at Q so proud of posting profit gave themselves big back slap and 58% increase in wages.
Please let me get this correct, and I dont want any mistakes, is it correct that senior managers at Q HAVE been awarded a large pay rise and as yet Q pilots and engineers have yet to be made a firm offer? but are unlikely to be offered much more than 3%? Is this the truth? or am I just stupid? and if I am thats fine, coz I dont understand whats happening here.
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I can only wish that in the very near future someone in CASA grows a good set of aggats.
The last time I saw a supposed annonyamous report go into CASA about a very average airworthiness protocol a innocent bystander had a lot of damage done to their career and passion for the industry.
From what I have seen in my limited time with the industry CASA comes into audit and completly misses the problems at hand.
They are more worried that the i's are not dotted and the t's not crossed.
There is no pressure from them to enhance spares, training or manpower.
Every engineer is packing darkies when grounding a plane if there is not a directive from the company to look at the area in question.
Lucky we have the ALAEA in there to bat for us, if not i would have bailed by now for sure
The last time I saw a supposed annonyamous report go into CASA about a very average airworthiness protocol a innocent bystander had a lot of damage done to their career and passion for the industry.
From what I have seen in my limited time with the industry CASA comes into audit and completly misses the problems at hand.
They are more worried that the i's are not dotted and the t's not crossed.
There is no pressure from them to enhance spares, training or manpower.
Every engineer is packing darkies when grounding a plane if there is not a directive from the company to look at the area in question.
Lucky we have the ALAEA in there to bat for us, if not i would have bailed by now for sure