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The polls suggest Albanese won't be responsible after Sept 7th. Hopefully Nick keeping in the spotlight the next minister might take some interest.
Senator Fawcett might be in a position to push the issue soon.
Btw, Hempel inquest update was supposed to be August too.
Senator Fawcett might be in a position to push the issue soon.
Btw, Hempel inquest update was supposed to be August too.
"Lest we forget"....not!
From Planetalking (my red bold):
Don't hold back Ben!!
Rudd government’s air safety failure a risk to all
Ben Sandilands | Aug 24, 2013 8:17AM | EMAIL | PRINT
There is is one thing that stinks badly about the Rudd Government’s record in relation to aviation, and that is the persistent failure of Anthony Albanese, the Minister for everything including air safety, to act against the abuse of process in the ATSB and CASA over the Pel-Air crash cover up of CASA incompetence.
This week the deadline for Minister Albanese to respond within 90 days to the report of a Senate committee which inquired into the matter, passed without action.
This inaction drew this statement last night from the Independent Senator from South Australia, Nick Xenophon:
Independent Senator for South Australia, Nick Xenophon, has criticised Transport Minister Anthony Albanese for failing to respond to the Senate Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Committee’s damning report into aviation accident investigations within the required three month timeframe.
This is despite evidence given by the Department of Infrastructure and Transport during Senate estimates that it would be providing advice to the Minister in early June.
“This is a disgrace,” Nick said. “The Senate committee’s report revealed serious failures on the part of CASA and the ATSB, and still the Government has nothing to say.”
The report, which focused on the ditching of Pel-Air flight VH-NGA off Norfolk Island in 2009, found that the ATSB’s investigation of the accident did not hold up to international standards and that CASA had withheld vital evidence detailing its own failure to oversee Pel-Air from the ATSB.
“Even the ATSB’s Chief Commissioner Martin Dolan said he wasn’t proud of the investigation, but neither the ATSB nor the Government are willing to fix what is clearly a broken system,” Nick said.
“The committee went so far as to say Mr Dolan’s evidence to the inquiry as ‘questionable’ and had ‘seriously eroded’ his standing as a witness,” Nick said. “These are incredibly serious allegations about the Chief Commissioner, but the Government has said nothing.”
“Every Australian who flies should be alarmed at the unanimous findings of the Senate inquiry,” Nick said. “It’s a pity this critical report doesn’t seem to be on the Government’s radar.”
Now, it may well be that the Labor way in such matters is to sit back and let corrupted bureacracies screw over individual Australians like the pilot of the crashed plane while compromised public authorities concoct a report which lays all of the blame on his actions.
Little people probably don’t count for much when it comes to the machinations of big government, a criticism that might well be just as applicable to the other side of politics.
Who really gives a toss about injustice in public administration? But a Senate committee drawn from Labor, Coalition and Green and Independent senators, unanimously found the testimony of the chief commissioner for the ATSB, Martin Dolan, to be unacceptable, and sought directly a Federal Police determination as to whether the cover up of a damning document identifying CASA failings in relation to this accident breached the Transport Safety Investigations Act.
(It does if the words of the act mean what they say, however the possibility of the AFP finding anything wrong in the withholding of information about an air crash by CASA from the ATSB contrary to the act is, in reality, wildly implausible.)
What is of concern is that the Minister made or allowed to be made on his behalf, a serious of committments for a timely response to the Senate committee’s report, and well before the 7 September election was called and government entered caretaker mode.
Those committments have not been honoured.
There are potential consequences from this for the safety of all Australians who use or rely upon air services of any type. CASA after all has blood on its hands from the 2005 Lockhart River crash in far northern Queensland in which an operator known to CASA to be unsafe was allowed to continue flying until it eventually killed all 15 people aboard a small turbo-prop making a landing approach to an airstrip in poor visibility.
CASA subsequently denied that it had any obligation to warn the public of unsafe operations.
However the biggest potential risk in the really grubby circumstances of the Pel-Air incident, in which the air safety investigator went out of its way to avoid recovering potentially incriminating evidence from the aircraft’s data recorder, which lies on the sea bed near Norfolk Island, is to Australia’s international air safety rating.
If ICAO were to audit and fail the administration and performance of air safety standards and oversight in this country, the US FAA would follow suit, and Qantas and Virgin Australia would have their code-shares with US carriers suspended, and their rights to increase their flights to American cities revoked.
Thus there are compelling safety and commercial reasons for any Australian government to act on the evidence and recommendations gathered and made by the Senate committee in relation to the Pel-Air matters.
It’s a matter of good government. It needs to be fixed.
Ben Sandilands | Aug 24, 2013 8:17AM | EMAIL | PRINT
There is is one thing that stinks badly about the Rudd Government’s record in relation to aviation, and that is the persistent failure of Anthony Albanese, the Minister for everything including air safety, to act against the abuse of process in the ATSB and CASA over the Pel-Air crash cover up of CASA incompetence.
This week the deadline for Minister Albanese to respond within 90 days to the report of a Senate committee which inquired into the matter, passed without action.
This inaction drew this statement last night from the Independent Senator from South Australia, Nick Xenophon:
Independent Senator for South Australia, Nick Xenophon, has criticised Transport Minister Anthony Albanese for failing to respond to the Senate Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Committee’s damning report into aviation accident investigations within the required three month timeframe.
This is despite evidence given by the Department of Infrastructure and Transport during Senate estimates that it would be providing advice to the Minister in early June.
“This is a disgrace,” Nick said. “The Senate committee’s report revealed serious failures on the part of CASA and the ATSB, and still the Government has nothing to say.”
The report, which focused on the ditching of Pel-Air flight VH-NGA off Norfolk Island in 2009, found that the ATSB’s investigation of the accident did not hold up to international standards and that CASA had withheld vital evidence detailing its own failure to oversee Pel-Air from the ATSB.
“Even the ATSB’s Chief Commissioner Martin Dolan said he wasn’t proud of the investigation, but neither the ATSB nor the Government are willing to fix what is clearly a broken system,” Nick said.
“The committee went so far as to say Mr Dolan’s evidence to the inquiry as ‘questionable’ and had ‘seriously eroded’ his standing as a witness,” Nick said. “These are incredibly serious allegations about the Chief Commissioner, but the Government has said nothing.”
“Every Australian who flies should be alarmed at the unanimous findings of the Senate inquiry,” Nick said. “It’s a pity this critical report doesn’t seem to be on the Government’s radar.”
Now, it may well be that the Labor way in such matters is to sit back and let corrupted bureacracies screw over individual Australians like the pilot of the crashed plane while compromised public authorities concoct a report which lays all of the blame on his actions.
Little people probably don’t count for much when it comes to the machinations of big government, a criticism that might well be just as applicable to the other side of politics.
Who really gives a toss about injustice in public administration? But a Senate committee drawn from Labor, Coalition and Green and Independent senators, unanimously found the testimony of the chief commissioner for the ATSB, Martin Dolan, to be unacceptable, and sought directly a Federal Police determination as to whether the cover up of a damning document identifying CASA failings in relation to this accident breached the Transport Safety Investigations Act.
(It does if the words of the act mean what they say, however the possibility of the AFP finding anything wrong in the withholding of information about an air crash by CASA from the ATSB contrary to the act is, in reality, wildly implausible.)
What is of concern is that the Minister made or allowed to be made on his behalf, a serious of committments for a timely response to the Senate committee’s report, and well before the 7 September election was called and government entered caretaker mode.
Those committments have not been honoured.
There are potential consequences from this for the safety of all Australians who use or rely upon air services of any type. CASA after all has blood on its hands from the 2005 Lockhart River crash in far northern Queensland in which an operator known to CASA to be unsafe was allowed to continue flying until it eventually killed all 15 people aboard a small turbo-prop making a landing approach to an airstrip in poor visibility.
CASA subsequently denied that it had any obligation to warn the public of unsafe operations.
However the biggest potential risk in the really grubby circumstances of the Pel-Air incident, in which the air safety investigator went out of its way to avoid recovering potentially incriminating evidence from the aircraft’s data recorder, which lies on the sea bed near Norfolk Island, is to Australia’s international air safety rating.
If ICAO were to audit and fail the administration and performance of air safety standards and oversight in this country, the US FAA would follow suit, and Qantas and Virgin Australia would have their code-shares with US carriers suspended, and their rights to increase their flights to American cities revoked.
Thus there are compelling safety and commercial reasons for any Australian government to act on the evidence and recommendations gathered and made by the Senate committee in relation to the Pel-Air matters.
It’s a matter of good government. It needs to be fixed.
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Another well written article by Ben. I am pleased to see Lockhart referenced. The inaction from CAsA prior to the accident, dating back at least to around 2000 is indeed worthy of the term 'blood on their hands'. The circumstances behind the Transair operation is a murky, festering sore. Operational mates rates with the FNQ office, dodgy operations, high level 'friendships' between Transair and people at CAsA FNQ, and of course the inevitable internal promotions for jobs well done. Sickening stuff. But hey, 15 lives were lost in a smoking hole, **** happens, nothing left to see here, move on folks!
That crazy cat Casaweary had an interesting point to make in his/her last post about Lockhart, makes one think??
The arrogance of Albanese office not to respond within its prescribed timeframe to the Senate enquiry only adds weight to the fact that Australia's aviation safety is at the bottom of a mighty list of priorities. The safety of Australian citizens of all creeds and international visitors is irrelevant, that's the Governments message loud and clear. The Ministers department has also shown that it simply doesn't care about due process or transparency, that it does not have to act in the same manner as any other person, business, department or entity. The Ministers department is outwardly acknowledging that its regulatory departments can do as they please regardless of legal, moral or ethical obligations. The Ministers department is content to allow accidents such as Pel Air to occur, and it is content to allow innocent lives be shed on the side of mountains such as with Lockhart. Importantly, by the Ministers office displaying the level of arrogance, incompetence and thumbing its nose at Australians at large proves that it is not deserving, worthy, willing, or importantly capable of governing our skies. They ought to be handed the countries largest NCN, have the worlds largest pineapple jammed up their ass and forced to unceremoniously walk the green mile with heads bowed low.
That crazy cat Casaweary had an interesting point to make in his/her last post about Lockhart, makes one think??
The arrogance of Albanese office not to respond within its prescribed timeframe to the Senate enquiry only adds weight to the fact that Australia's aviation safety is at the bottom of a mighty list of priorities. The safety of Australian citizens of all creeds and international visitors is irrelevant, that's the Governments message loud and clear. The Ministers department has also shown that it simply doesn't care about due process or transparency, that it does not have to act in the same manner as any other person, business, department or entity. The Ministers department is outwardly acknowledging that its regulatory departments can do as they please regardless of legal, moral or ethical obligations. The Ministers department is content to allow accidents such as Pel Air to occur, and it is content to allow innocent lives be shed on the side of mountains such as with Lockhart. Importantly, by the Ministers office displaying the level of arrogance, incompetence and thumbing its nose at Australians at large proves that it is not deserving, worthy, willing, or importantly capable of governing our skies. They ought to be handed the countries largest NCN, have the worlds largest pineapple jammed up their ass and forced to unceremoniously walk the green mile with heads bowed low.
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Handy with a CASA camera - Apply now!!
This job is listed on the Fort Fumble website. Digital, media, photography etc. Wouldn't FF require its own AOC to take photographs? Or is the job related to non flying type work such as;
- Taking photographs of the executives smiling in their Gimp suits for the annual CAsA report.
- Taking photos of withering pot plants.
- Taking photos of the Brisbane worm farm and errant snakes during summer.
- Taking photos of CMT piss ups on away trips, namely 'audits'.
- Hiding in aerodrome bushes and taking photos of naughty chopper pilots walking across the Tarmac not wearing reflective vests.
- Taking group photos of each other postulating hard in Montreal while living the dream at the taxpayers expense.
- Taking photos of damage to the walls in the Screamers office, for insurance purposes.
Civil Aviation Safety Authority - Current Vacancies - E-recruitment
- Taking photographs of the executives smiling in their Gimp suits for the annual CAsA report.
- Taking photos of withering pot plants.
- Taking photos of the Brisbane worm farm and errant snakes during summer.
- Taking photos of CMT piss ups on away trips, namely 'audits'.
- Hiding in aerodrome bushes and taking photos of naughty chopper pilots walking across the Tarmac not wearing reflective vests.
- Taking group photos of each other postulating hard in Montreal while living the dream at the taxpayers expense.
- Taking photos of damage to the walls in the Screamers office, for insurance purposes.
Civil Aviation Safety Authority - Current Vacancies - E-recruitment
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The Australian public, ................., senators (the majority), the local bushman, FIFO hookers and even the next door neighbours cattle dog knows that CASA and ATSB are completely useless, corrupt, incompetent, lethargic, out of their league and solely in place to protect the minister.
And that is the bleedin' problem!
Until aviation safety is the daily talking point of the great unwashed aviation reform hasn't a dog's chance in hell of getting up. The reason is primarily that we, the aviation sector, can be guaranteed to fight among ourselves until the cows come home. Unlike the US, where there are effective lobby groups at all levels of aviation, here, all we can do is spit the dummy at any attempt to get unified action, take our bat and ball and stomp off home.
What will it take? A large smoking hole in the ground. No, not a Metro size hole, or a Chieftain or, I suggest, even a Dash 8/Saab 340 size hole but a 737/320 sized one. You see, first you've got to get their attention.
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Top article tonight by Ben following Chris Reason on Prime tonight
Come on albo. you must answer
Pel-Air on prime time TV snares Minister's false statement | Plane Talking
Come on albo. you must answer
Pel-Air on prime time TV snares Minister's false statement | Plane Talking
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DPM's false statement on PelAir report!
FFS did he think the IOS wouldn't notice??
And here's a link for Ch7 news piece : Pilot's scathing attack on air safety agencies
And Albo not just anyone can refer a matter to the AFP...doh!
Referrals to the AFP
{lie 2 in about a dozen words from the DPM}
Pel-Air on prime time TV snares Minister’s false statement
The Minister for Transport Anthony Albanese was caught out on 7 News tonight in a report by Chris Reason on the festering sore that is the proven hush up by CASA and the ATSB of all of the circumstances that were relevant to the crash of a Pel-Air operated air ambulance flight near Norfolk Island in 2009.
Albanese said he was unable to take action over a damning Senate committee report on lies and deceits of Australia’s two air safety authorities because parliament went into caretaker mode.
Minister, this is total unmitigated rubbish. Caretaker mode began on 5 August.
On 29 May after consultation with your department Plane Talking published this story as to the urgency with which you and your departmental head Mike Mrdak were claimed to be responding to the unanimous report of the Senate Committee inquiry into aviation safety investigations with particular reference to the performance of the ATSB (the safety investigator) and CASA (the safety regulator).
At that inquiry the Director of Safety at CASA, John McCormick, admitted to withholding an internal audit by CASA that found that the accident was preventable if CASA had actually carried out its duties and obligations in law in relation to the oversight of Pel-Air.
Mr McCormick also apologised for his actions, which the committee has referred to the Australian Federal Police to resolve whether or not it was action that constituted an offence under the Transport Safety Investigations Act of 2003. (If the words in the act mean what they say, McCormick broke the law.)
The committee went on to devote an entire chapter of its report into its lack of confidence in the testimony given by the chief commissioner for the ATSB, Martin Dolan. The committee’s findings, made by a panel drawn from Labor, the Coalition and the Greens, was unanimous in its findings.
It also recommended, among other things, that the ATSB reconsider its final accident report and in the process retrieve the data recorder from the wreckage of the jet, which lies at a recoverable depth on the sea floor near Norfolk Island where it came to rest after being ditched immediately before it ran out of fuel. (All six persons on board were subsequently rescued by a fishing boat in the middle of the night).
The ATSB has deliberately chosen not to recover the data, which carries the distinct possibility of proving that the pilot did not receive correct meteorological information before flying the jet to a position where it could no longer divert to an alternative airport in Noumea or Fiji should it be unable to land at Norfolk Island for a refueling stop.
The ATSB failed to honor its international obligations to make safety recommendations in relation to the failure on board the ditched jet of all of the safety equipment to perform as intended. It regarded the eventual discovery that CASA had found Pel-Air to be in breach of dozens of safety requirements at the time of the crash as ‘immaterial’, and it framed its final report to visit the entire blame for the accident on the captain Dominic James, who was central to the 7 News report, which should be readily found by a search query on the internet later tonight.
As Mick Quinn, the former deputy chief executive officer of CASA told Chris Reason on 7 News tonight, this corrupted and untruthful circus performance by the safety bodies in relation to the Pel-Air investigation has destroyed Australia’s reputation as a first class nation when it comes to the administration of air safety.
Minister, you are personally responsible for this. You allowed commitments to be made on your behalf, which were not honoured, and you have demonstrated contempt for the Senate of Australia by not responding to the committee’s recommendations within 90 days.
This means you have not acted in a timely manner to correct or restore the integrity of the aviation safety authorities, and that means the safety of Australian air travellers, and those of foreign airlines and their passengers using our air space and airports, is no longer a given.
On 30 May Plane Talking reported on the intention of the department of Infrastructure and Transport to ‘ride out’ the controversy over the disgraceful report issed by the ATSB into this accident.
Minister, surely you are not a party to ‘riding out’ critically important air safety issues? The world is unlikely to let Australia get away with such a poor attitude, as explained in this more recent report.
If the Minister can say so during caretaker mode, what was he thinking when he gave his misleading answer about his inability to repond to these matters in the Chris Reason interview?
Was it amnesia? Or did he think no one would notice that what was broadcast tonight was in conflict with his position at the end of May?
The Minister for Transport Anthony Albanese was caught out on 7 News tonight in a report by Chris Reason on the festering sore that is the proven hush up by CASA and the ATSB of all of the circumstances that were relevant to the crash of a Pel-Air operated air ambulance flight near Norfolk Island in 2009.
Albanese said he was unable to take action over a damning Senate committee report on lies and deceits of Australia’s two air safety authorities because parliament went into caretaker mode.
Minister, this is total unmitigated rubbish. Caretaker mode began on 5 August.
On 29 May after consultation with your department Plane Talking published this story as to the urgency with which you and your departmental head Mike Mrdak were claimed to be responding to the unanimous report of the Senate Committee inquiry into aviation safety investigations with particular reference to the performance of the ATSB (the safety investigator) and CASA (the safety regulator).
At that inquiry the Director of Safety at CASA, John McCormick, admitted to withholding an internal audit by CASA that found that the accident was preventable if CASA had actually carried out its duties and obligations in law in relation to the oversight of Pel-Air.
Mr McCormick also apologised for his actions, which the committee has referred to the Australian Federal Police to resolve whether or not it was action that constituted an offence under the Transport Safety Investigations Act of 2003. (If the words in the act mean what they say, McCormick broke the law.)
The committee went on to devote an entire chapter of its report into its lack of confidence in the testimony given by the chief commissioner for the ATSB, Martin Dolan. The committee’s findings, made by a panel drawn from Labor, the Coalition and the Greens, was unanimous in its findings.
It also recommended, among other things, that the ATSB reconsider its final accident report and in the process retrieve the data recorder from the wreckage of the jet, which lies at a recoverable depth on the sea floor near Norfolk Island where it came to rest after being ditched immediately before it ran out of fuel. (All six persons on board were subsequently rescued by a fishing boat in the middle of the night).
The ATSB has deliberately chosen not to recover the data, which carries the distinct possibility of proving that the pilot did not receive correct meteorological information before flying the jet to a position where it could no longer divert to an alternative airport in Noumea or Fiji should it be unable to land at Norfolk Island for a refueling stop.
The ATSB failed to honor its international obligations to make safety recommendations in relation to the failure on board the ditched jet of all of the safety equipment to perform as intended. It regarded the eventual discovery that CASA had found Pel-Air to be in breach of dozens of safety requirements at the time of the crash as ‘immaterial’, and it framed its final report to visit the entire blame for the accident on the captain Dominic James, who was central to the 7 News report, which should be readily found by a search query on the internet later tonight.
As Mick Quinn, the former deputy chief executive officer of CASA told Chris Reason on 7 News tonight, this corrupted and untruthful circus performance by the safety bodies in relation to the Pel-Air investigation has destroyed Australia’s reputation as a first class nation when it comes to the administration of air safety.
Minister, you are personally responsible for this. You allowed commitments to be made on your behalf, which were not honoured, and you have demonstrated contempt for the Senate of Australia by not responding to the committee’s recommendations within 90 days.
This means you have not acted in a timely manner to correct or restore the integrity of the aviation safety authorities, and that means the safety of Australian air travellers, and those of foreign airlines and their passengers using our air space and airports, is no longer a given.
On 30 May Plane Talking reported on the intention of the department of Infrastructure and Transport to ‘ride out’ the controversy over the disgraceful report issed by the ATSB into this accident.
Minister, surely you are not a party to ‘riding out’ critically important air safety issues? The world is unlikely to let Australia get away with such a poor attitude, as explained in this more recent report.
If the Minister can say so during caretaker mode, what was he thinking when he gave his misleading answer about his inability to repond to these matters in the Chris Reason interview?
Was it amnesia? Or did he think no one would notice that what was broadcast tonight was in conflict with his position at the end of May?
And Albo not just anyone can refer a matter to the AFP...doh!
Referrals to the AFP
{lie 2 in about a dozen words from the DPM}
When a matter can be referred to the AFP
An Australian Government department or agency may refer a matter to the AFP Operations Monitoring Centre (OMC) in the State or Territory where the suspected offence/s occurred if it:
For initial enquiries or pre-referral advice, departments and agencies should call the local AFP Operations Monitoring Centre.
All referrals should be made using an AFP Referral Form (DOC, 100KB). If you are having trouble accessing this document, please call the local AFP Operations Monitoring Centre.
Referrals should be sent to the AFP Operations Monitoring Centre in the State or Territory where the suspected offences occurred. The referral should include all relevant referral information and documents (letter and attachments).
Referrals may be sent by email or post, or delivered by hand. Agencies should consider the security classification and sensitivity of the information contained in the referral when deciding how to send it to the AFP.
All referral letters to the AFP must, as a minimum, include the following:
An Australian Government department or agency may refer a matter to the AFP Operations Monitoring Centre (OMC) in the State or Territory where the suspected offence/s occurred if it:
- identifies any serious breach of federal legislation
- considers the AFP Case Categorisation and Prioritisation Model
- considers the matter is appropriate for referral to the AFP
- requires AFP assistance or advice in relation to an investigation being conducted by that department or agency into suspected breaches of Federal legislation
For initial enquiries or pre-referral advice, departments and agencies should call the local AFP Operations Monitoring Centre.
All referrals should be made using an AFP Referral Form (DOC, 100KB). If you are having trouble accessing this document, please call the local AFP Operations Monitoring Centre.
Referrals should be sent to the AFP Operations Monitoring Centre in the State or Territory where the suspected offences occurred. The referral should include all relevant referral information and documents (letter and attachments).
Referrals may be sent by email or post, or delivered by hand. Agencies should consider the security classification and sensitivity of the information contained in the referral when deciding how to send it to the AFP.
All referral letters to the AFP must, as a minimum, include the following:
- copies of all documents relevant to the referral
- action being requested of the AFP
- if the department or agency wants the AFP to consider a joint investigation, details should be included (such as which resources they are able to provide)
- the suspected breaches including specific legislation offence(s)
- details of the suspected offender(s) including name, date of birth, location (where known)
- the suspect's criminal history, if known, and information relating to circumstances where they have previously come to the department or agency's attention
- a chronological account of the facts or evidence supporting the suspected breach(es)
- value of the revenue loss or potential losses for the department or agency
- a summary of all enquiries or investigations already undertaken by the department or agency
- details of witnesses
- if the suspect(s) is aware of the department or agency's investigation/allegation
- references to any specific legislative provisions including consent to prosecute or time limitation regarding commencement of prosecution
- copies of relevant legal advice sought by, and provided to, the department or agency
- significance or impact of the referral to the department or agency
- the department or agency case reference number and other reference details, including the operation's name
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Chris Reason joins the Ills Of Society - Welcome Chris!!
Indeed an interesting interview. But lets not waste precious time debating the matter as there is nothing really to debate - The Minister, his office, CAsA, ATSB and to a slightly lesser degree up until lately ASA, are an absolute disgrace, a shambles, a mess, a dysfunctional risk and nothing less than a rotting pungent carcass.
It is time that the nation was somehow shown in great detail how pathetic the above mentioned departments, organisations and structures are, and instant action be applied.
Caretaker mode my ass. They are stalling and deflecting. The Screaming Skull's contract is up in March 2014, and unfortunately the rest of his circus act aren't contracted, so they have lifetime jobs. The Minister for bad teeth and his apprentice Mrdork are simply ticking off calendar days hoping all will be forgotten. That's the way they have always done it and hell it used to work. But not this time. Change is in the wind my friends. People, including the IOS aren't going to walk away nor forget this time. And nor should we, because sooner or later more people will get killed. Pel Air was sheer luck that nobody died. Canley Vale and CAsA's blatant ignoring of the warnings is a disgrace. The farcicle actions of CAsA and the deaths of 15 people at Lockhart is a sore that never heals. I reiterate that the families, friends and loved ones of the Transair disaster DESERVE BETTER, DESERVE JUSTICE, DESERVE THE TRUTH TO BE TOLD! This has not happened yet. It is an absolutely appalling episode. Seriously, how much of this **** to Australia's citizens have to endure?
The FAA, ICAO, NTSB, ANAO, hell old mother Hubbard with an AWI in her cupboard, all of them need to audit Fort Fumble.
Xenophon, Fawcett, Nash and Co they've got your number Big John! They smell what you're cooking mate, and its not good. And Beaker, Mr mi mi mi mi, you've also been made old son. You are a laughing stock, a pathetic bean counting bureaucrat who doesn't deserve the position of Commissioner, no you never have, and you never will.
The longer that the above dross are allowed to continue staining our industry with there putrid brown skidmark the closer we come to the inevitable giant smoking hole.
'Safe skies are NOT our skies'
It is time that the nation was somehow shown in great detail how pathetic the above mentioned departments, organisations and structures are, and instant action be applied.
Caretaker mode my ass. They are stalling and deflecting. The Screaming Skull's contract is up in March 2014, and unfortunately the rest of his circus act aren't contracted, so they have lifetime jobs. The Minister for bad teeth and his apprentice Mrdork are simply ticking off calendar days hoping all will be forgotten. That's the way they have always done it and hell it used to work. But not this time. Change is in the wind my friends. People, including the IOS aren't going to walk away nor forget this time. And nor should we, because sooner or later more people will get killed. Pel Air was sheer luck that nobody died. Canley Vale and CAsA's blatant ignoring of the warnings is a disgrace. The farcicle actions of CAsA and the deaths of 15 people at Lockhart is a sore that never heals. I reiterate that the families, friends and loved ones of the Transair disaster DESERVE BETTER, DESERVE JUSTICE, DESERVE THE TRUTH TO BE TOLD! This has not happened yet. It is an absolutely appalling episode. Seriously, how much of this **** to Australia's citizens have to endure?
The FAA, ICAO, NTSB, ANAO, hell old mother Hubbard with an AWI in her cupboard, all of them need to audit Fort Fumble.
Xenophon, Fawcett, Nash and Co they've got your number Big John! They smell what you're cooking mate, and its not good. And Beaker, Mr mi mi mi mi, you've also been made old son. You are a laughing stock, a pathetic bean counting bureaucrat who doesn't deserve the position of Commissioner, no you never have, and you never will.
The longer that the above dross are allowed to continue staining our industry with there putrid brown skidmark the closer we come to the inevitable giant smoking hole.
'Safe skies are NOT our skies'
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Minister, this is total unmitigated rubbish.
"Albanese said he was unable to take action over a damning Senate committee report on lies and deceits of Australia’s two air safety authorities because parliament went into caretaker mode."Minister, this is total unmitigated rubbish. Caretaker mode began on 5 August.
Keep up the good work boys, drag it out, deny, deny deny; attaboy....
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I have no doubt that CASA will force PPRuNe to remove this post or lock this thread,...
So the strategy from here:
1. Deny, go quiet...(usual behaviour)
2. Polls indicate defeat, so Albo does nothing even more...loses portfolio
3. New government and new aviation minister appointed
4. New Aviation minister blames previous government, gets as much traction as possible by blaming old minister who now has different shadow portfolio
5. Minor administrative changes made to obscure governing instruments for CASA and ATSB. "Problems caused by Labor Government all fixed, cannot happen again!"
6. New government moves onto bigger announcements, previous stuff lost in the noise.
1. Deny, go quiet...(usual behaviour)
2. Polls indicate defeat, so Albo does nothing even more...loses portfolio
3. New government and new aviation minister appointed
4. New Aviation minister blames previous government, gets as much traction as possible by blaming old minister who now has different shadow portfolio
5. Minor administrative changes made to obscure governing instruments for CASA and ATSB. "Problems caused by Labor Government all fixed, cannot happen again!"
6. New government moves onto bigger announcements, previous stuff lost in the noise.
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7. Smoking hole of a large twin occurs with the loss of hundreds of lives. The truth about the condition of Australian aviation is finally laid out before all, live on TV as charred fragmented body parts are carried away.
TICK TOCK
TICK TOCK
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Only two 'disingenuous' statements?
Sarcs # 1380 - provides a link to the - AFP – which is worth exploring; it makes a nonsense of the DPM statements and reflects the leadership attitude our disgraced 'Safety' watchdog and the pack of mutts following it about. Tim Tam for Sarcs.
I finally got to see the Ch 7 piece; it's worth a second look, watch the DPM face and body language, carefully. My Mama could beat the boots off this chump at poker – any day of the week.
Ben Sandilands, once again telling it as it is and yet the blighters keep turning up at work, taking their pay and swan about the place, posing as 'expert' front line aviation experts. Fetch the bucket Min, it's puke time again......
I wonder; do you think Chris Reason would be interested in doing the real story; in depth. He could interview Wodger and Uncle Terry first, then have a beer with the BRB. What a hoot.
Smile and say "Cheese" for camera boys.....
I finally got to see the Ch 7 piece; it's worth a second look, watch the DPM face and body language, carefully. My Mama could beat the boots off this chump at poker – any day of the week.
Ben Sandilands, once again telling it as it is and yet the blighters keep turning up at work, taking their pay and swan about the place, posing as 'expert' front line aviation experts. Fetch the bucket Min, it's puke time again......
I wonder; do you think Chris Reason would be interested in doing the real story; in depth. He could interview Wodger and Uncle Terry first, then have a beer with the BRB. What a hoot.
Smile and say "Cheese" for camera boys.....
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It would appear that Chris Reason and James Reason have something in common - both know how to sniff out something unsafe?
The GWM would not be enjoying any extra attention, but no doubt the crisis team was called into play this morning along with its 'Chair' the Mascot Minister, Mrdork and select available members of the GWM (those not buried up to their socks in a trough somewhere).
Albo's body language was priceless. When Mr Reason first approached him and mentioned Pelair he looked as if he was giving birth to a 13 lb pooh!!! Ouch. Very uncomfortable.
Aargh well, good work Chanel 7, you are on to themThen again, CAsA have been feeding your FOI requests back to you one page at a time for a number of years now haven't they? Naughty Skull, Flyingfiend and Co.
I bet that since the Ch 7 interview CAsA has order a 747 full of turd polish, extra strong!
May I suggest that Chris Reason (aka Honorary IOS) now track down the mi mi mi Beaker and put some questions to him also? Actually you could kill two birds with the same stone as the Beaker and Associate DAS are literally residential neighbours in Canberra Interview them together!
The GWM would not be enjoying any extra attention, but no doubt the crisis team was called into play this morning along with its 'Chair' the Mascot Minister, Mrdork and select available members of the GWM (those not buried up to their socks in a trough somewhere).
Albo's body language was priceless. When Mr Reason first approached him and mentioned Pelair he looked as if he was giving birth to a 13 lb pooh!!! Ouch. Very uncomfortable.
Aargh well, good work Chanel 7, you are on to them
Then again, CAsA have been feeding your FOI requests back to you one page at a time for a number of years now haven't they? Naughty Skull, Flyingfiend and Co. I bet that since the Ch 7 interview CAsA has order a 747 full of turd polish, extra strong!
May I suggest that Chris Reason (aka Honorary IOS) now track down the mi mi mi Beaker and put some questions to him also? Actually you could kill two birds with the same stone as the Beaker and Associate DAS are literally residential neighbours in Canberra
Interview them together!
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I have a dream.
Perhaps pertinent today, but unfortunately we will never see any aviation dream come to fruition in Australia in the foreseeable future. In 48 years I've seen the best and now the worst.
RIP Australian aviation Industry.
RIP Australian aviation Industry.
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No Frank, the worst is still to come, in the form of a giant smoking hole.
Then all the bureaucracies can pack up their lunch boxes and go home, job complete - Australian aviation finally finishes its long drawn out decent to the lowest level in 30 years. The corks will be popped, backs slapped, reach around's given and marshmallows toasted over the still warm flames engulfing a couple of hundred naive and unknowing burning passengers and crew.
Bravo bravo CAsA and company, the fans go wild, the shout of a regulatory encore echoes through the skies, but there will be no encore, the game will have ended history complete.....
Minnie, flick the switch and turn off the lights as you exit the room, atta girl.
Then all the bureaucracies can pack up their lunch boxes and go home, job complete - Australian aviation finally finishes its long drawn out decent to the lowest level in 30 years. The corks will be popped, backs slapped, reach around's given and marshmallows toasted over the still warm flames engulfing a couple of hundred naive and unknowing burning passengers and crew.
Bravo bravo CAsA and company, the fans go wild, the shout of a regulatory encore echoes through the skies, but there will be no encore, the game will have ended history complete.....
Minnie, flick the switch and turn off the lights as you exit the room, atta girl.
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A few years ago I worked for a time in a simulation company that offered "flights" to the public in a quasi-737 simulator. No, it wasn't the flight experience mob who advertise for staff these days and, no, it wasn't Microsoft Flight Sim.
One of my customers was a senior journalist who plied his trade in Canberra. He was also something of an aviation enthusiast and we had an enjoyable hour in the simulator. After the session was over there were no further customers and he had some time to fill so we sat down over a coffee and discussed aviation.
This would have been back in 2010 and I pointed out the dire state of aviation matters at the time quoting several examples. I suggested that he contact Sen. Xenophon on his return as he was at the time already showing a keen interest in aviation matters. End result - nothing - not a peep. The public don't think it is an issue.
Kudos to Ch 7, but I suspect the reason was that there was an issue they could ambush the present govt. over. I suggest that if the parties were transposed it would not have been raised. Ben Sandilands is the only journo who takes aviation seriously and he is preaching to the converted.
One of my customers was a senior journalist who plied his trade in Canberra. He was also something of an aviation enthusiast and we had an enjoyable hour in the simulator. After the session was over there were no further customers and he had some time to fill so we sat down over a coffee and discussed aviation.
This would have been back in 2010 and I pointed out the dire state of aviation matters at the time quoting several examples. I suggested that he contact Sen. Xenophon on his return as he was at the time already showing a keen interest in aviation matters. End result - nothing - not a peep. The public don't think it is an issue.
Kudos to Ch 7, but I suspect the reason was that there was an issue they could ambush the present govt. over. I suggest that if the parties were transposed it would not have been raised. Ben Sandilands is the only journo who takes aviation seriously and he is preaching to the converted.
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Working for CASA or Rudd could be a good thing!!!
Interesting article. But I'm thinking Fort Fumble, and KRudd for that matter are more sociopathic.
Why working for a psychopath can be great | News.com.au
Plovett, Paul Phelan is passionate about aviation as well and like Ben, he is happy to place his dusters on the line time and time again
Why working for a psychopath can be great | News.com.au
Plovett, Paul Phelan is passionate about aviation as well and like Ben, he is happy to place his dusters on the line time and time again
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My apologies, I forgot about Paul who I have also discussed matters aviation with over the years. In fact, Paul has probably the most extensive knowledge of aviation shambles combined with a practical knowledge of what it is like at the sharp end of an aircraft.
My apologies, I forgot about Paul who I have also discussed matters aviation with over the years. In fact, Paul has probably the most extensive knowledge of aviation shambles combined with a practical knowledge of what it is like at the sharp end of an aircraft.
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A glimmer
The federal Coalition plans to bring in a prominent member of the international aviation community to conduct an external review of aviation safety and regulations similar to the Wheeler inquiry into aviation security.
It will announce the move today as part of its aviation policy that foreshadows a potential restructure of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority and a strengthening of the CASA board by increasing the number of members from four to six.
It is also promising a formal aviation industry consultative council that would meet regularly with the transport minister to address matters of concern to the wider industry, and an industry complaints commissioner to investigate grievances about the regulator or its operatives "in a reasonable time".
The external safety and regulation review comes after recent adverse findings by the Senate Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Committee and after industry feedback that safety regulations were being inappropriately applied and were too bureaucratic.
"We've had such feedback from the industry about the regulatory process and the operations of CASA, it simply has to be addressed," opposition transport spokesman Warren Truss told The Australian.
"We've also got the inevitable and ongoing differences of opinion in the sector about how everything should be done and I thought the Wheeler Review was actually a very useful exercise in dealing with aviation security.
"Not all the recommendations were perfect, but it acted as a circuit breaker and his report has effectively underpinned all that we've done on aviation security since."
Mr Truss said he thought it highly unlikely there would be a consensus on the best way to proceed with the regulatory system.
"I'm hopeful that we will be able to get a decisive breakthrough as we did with Wheeler," he said, noting the opposition did not have a particular candidate in mind but that it would be someone whose views and work would be respected.
He said a Coalition government would not proceed with changes until the review was completed. He said he would like to have it completed so that key decisions could be made by March, when current CASA boss John McCormick's current term expired.
"There are some things I can do immediately without asking for an outside expert. It's just self-evident," Mr Truss said. "For instance, it's silly to have a board that the CEO is not answerable to, and things like that. But it's better to do it all in one go when a new person is appointed or there is a renewal of a term."
Mr Truss conceded that aviation had been an area "where angels dared to tread", but there was concern about the system wherever he went, particularly among licensed aircraft maintenance engineers.
"The big airlines, they can cope with this, because they've got the people and the systems, but the poor one-man operator or just two or three people at a country airfield, this paper war is something they can't very easily cope with," Mr Truss said.
The policy calls for a firm strategic direction for CASA with renewed focus on meaningful industry consultation, an emphasis on consistency in interpreting the rules and a more timely and streamlined review process.
It will announce the move today as part of its aviation policy that foreshadows a potential restructure of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority and a strengthening of the CASA board by increasing the number of members from four to six.
It is also promising a formal aviation industry consultative council that would meet regularly with the transport minister to address matters of concern to the wider industry, and an industry complaints commissioner to investigate grievances about the regulator or its operatives "in a reasonable time".
The external safety and regulation review comes after recent adverse findings by the Senate Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Committee and after industry feedback that safety regulations were being inappropriately applied and were too bureaucratic.
"We've had such feedback from the industry about the regulatory process and the operations of CASA, it simply has to be addressed," opposition transport spokesman Warren Truss told The Australian.
"We've also got the inevitable and ongoing differences of opinion in the sector about how everything should be done and I thought the Wheeler Review was actually a very useful exercise in dealing with aviation security.
"Not all the recommendations were perfect, but it acted as a circuit breaker and his report has effectively underpinned all that we've done on aviation security since."
Mr Truss said he thought it highly unlikely there would be a consensus on the best way to proceed with the regulatory system.
"I'm hopeful that we will be able to get a decisive breakthrough as we did with Wheeler," he said, noting the opposition did not have a particular candidate in mind but that it would be someone whose views and work would be respected.
He said a Coalition government would not proceed with changes until the review was completed. He said he would like to have it completed so that key decisions could be made by March, when current CASA boss John McCormick's current term expired.
"There are some things I can do immediately without asking for an outside expert. It's just self-evident," Mr Truss said. "For instance, it's silly to have a board that the CEO is not answerable to, and things like that. But it's better to do it all in one go when a new person is appointed or there is a renewal of a term."
Mr Truss conceded that aviation had been an area "where angels dared to tread", but there was concern about the system wherever he went, particularly among licensed aircraft maintenance engineers.
"The big airlines, they can cope with this, because they've got the people and the systems, but the poor one-man operator or just two or three people at a country airfield, this paper war is something they can't very easily cope with," Mr Truss said.
The policy calls for a firm strategic direction for CASA with renewed focus on meaningful industry consultation, an emphasis on consistency in interpreting the rules and a more timely and streamlined review process.
My bold - From the "Australian".......
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