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Silly me,
I always thought that what happened after management incompetence in JetStar was caught out, the responsible incompetent was parachuted into a nice cushy job in Qantas.
I always thought that what happened after management incompetence in JetStar was caught out, the responsible incompetent was parachuted into a nice cushy job in Qantas.
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Any truth to the rumour that a certain HR manager at Jetstar has been fired over the botched cadet scheme
Remember, if the boss gets a beating - Sh1t falls down the way!!!!
What happenned to KA, the exec HR manager in Jetstar??
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Any truth to the rumour that a certain HR manager at Jetstar has been fired over the botched cadet scheme??
Would the Senators see this as evidence the scheme was botched?
Surely the decision to start the scheme goes to a higher level of management than HR.
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Yes it does!! But here are the 5 stages of a project from my own management by experience manual:
Surely the decision to start the scheme goes to a higher level of management than HR
1. Euphoria and Excitement [Cadet program Launch]
2. Disenchantment [Bruce gets busted by the X man]
3. Search for the Guilty [Internal search for who to blame]
4. Punishment of the Innocent [TN Gets the bullet]
5. Reward for the Uninvolved [Brucey Bonus issued for damage limitation]
2. Disenchantment [Bruce gets busted by the X man]
3. Search for the Guilty [Internal search for who to blame]
4. Punishment of the Innocent [TN Gets the bullet]
5. Reward for the Uninvolved [Brucey Bonus issued for damage limitation]
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Surely the decision to start the scheme goes to a higher level of management than HR
Yes it does!! But here are the 5 stages of a project from my own management by experience manual:
Quote:
1. Euphoria and Excitement [Cadet program Launch]
2. Disenchantment [Bruce gets busted by the X man]
3. Search for the Guilty [Internal search for who to blame]
4. Punishment of the Innocent [TN Gets the bullet]
5. Reward for the Uninvolved [Brucey Bonus issued for damage limitation]
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Surely the decision to start the scheme goes to a higher level of management than HR
Yes it does!! But here are the 5 stages of a project from my own management by experience manual:
Quote:
1. Euphoria and Excitement [Cadet program Launch]
2. Disenchantment [Bruce gets busted by the X man]
3. Search for the Guilty [Internal search for who to blame]
4. Punishment of the Innocent [TN Gets the bullet]
5. Reward for the Uninvolved [Brucey Bonus issued for damage limitation]
Problem is, you are still trying to undermine an industrial instrument AKA the EBA! There will be egg on Gillards face if this is not dealt with promptly.
Why is it not in the news headlines? "Qantas undermines Australian workers conditions, by employing staff via shelf company"
It's enough to make you sick.
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Kelpie,
Spot on.
There are many precedents of such events where those truly responsible and faced with an overwhelming force are heard to mumble as they enter the chamber....I am truly sorry for the acts of a relatively junior and inexperienced manager who was acting without authority and I have now rectified the situation.
Senators don't fall for it, there is no way that these events were not orchestrated by the highest levels of management and the Rat sanction.
For those who witness the events tomorrow and hear these words keep mumbling to yourself ...bull****.......
Spot on.
There are many precedents of such events where those truly responsible and faced with an overwhelming force are heard to mumble as they enter the chamber....I am truly sorry for the acts of a relatively junior and inexperienced manager who was acting without authority and I have now rectified the situation.
Senators don't fall for it, there is no way that these events were not orchestrated by the highest levels of management and the Rat sanction.
For those who witness the events tomorrow and hear these words keep mumbling to yourself ...bull****.......
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Keg, I'm jealous. Senator Xenophon enjoys popstar/cult status in the Hat household. I was a fan well before he cast his eye on our industry.
I fear however that he can't do it all on his own. Its an unstoppable machine this country of corruption and ineptitude. If integrity, transparency and ethics were introduced in Australia the whole place would grind to an almighty hault.
I fear however that he can't do it all on his own. Its an unstoppable machine this country of corruption and ineptitude. If integrity, transparency and ethics were introduced in Australia the whole place would grind to an almighty hault.
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Why is it not in the news headlines? "Qantas undermines Australian workers conditions, by employing staff via shelf company"
I suggest because Qantas/Jetstar through their commercial agreements with the mainstream media, ensure that negative coverage is censored under with the threat of advertising budgets.
Channel 7
Channel 9
the Australian
With politicians receiving iPads and other key individuals receiving Chairman's lounge invites, it's no wonder things have gotten this bad!
Go Ben Sandilands! Men like he and the X-Man are a couple of the custodians of the future of this industry through the senate inquiry.
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slight thread drift..sorry..but if Sandilands article is true (the part that mentions the possible Joyce replacement), then its time this was made available in the media again....
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From my understanding, the CSM prepared a report, of which another crew member took a copy. The CSM was met by company security on arrival and was escorted from the aircraft, had the report confiscated, and was told in no uncertain terms, that this was never to be raised again. Can anyone with more knowledge expand??
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A SENIOR Jetstar executive has been accused of engaging in 'funny business" with a woman on a fold-down seat in the first-class cabin of a flight from Melbourne to Los Angeles on Friday.
Bruce Buchanan, the airline's commercial general manager, was on Qantas Flight 93 to the US when the incident allegedly took place. After the lights went down on the 14-hour trip, a woman apparently moved to share his seat.
Another first-class passenger complained to a flight attendant, according to people in the cabin at the time.
Sources on the flight said it was not clear what was going on but there was no suggestion the pair were having sex. "It was just funny business," one source said.
It is unclear whether cuddling constitutes a breach of strict behavioural guidelines which apply to airline employees but the incident was enough for staff on the flight to prepare a report for Qantas management.
It raises questions about the behaviour of Jetstar employees, including senior executives such as Mr Buchanan, travelling on discounted staff flights.
Staff must wear "appropriate" clothes, not jeans, and show exemplary behaviour.
Last week Qantas, the parent company of Jetstar, was forced to reinstate a cabin supervisor sacked for breaching policy by taking chocolate-covered macadamia nuts from a flight.
The cabin steward, Philip Woodward-Brown, had been stood down immediately after the offending nuts were discovered on his person during a routine security check in Tokyo last year.
When the incident took place on Friday, Mr Buchanan was travelling to Los Angeles for a holiday.
A Jetstar spokesman confirmed last night the incident was being investigated but said the airline was yet to speak to Mr Buchanan about the complaint.
"We do not believe the event was of a serious nature. A full investigation will take place but we obviously want to hear Mr Buchanan's side of the story," the spokesman said.
Qantas also confirmed that it was investigating the incident but said it did not appear to be a serious offence.
Mr Buchanan, who could not be reached for comment, is due back from his holiday next week.
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A SENIOR Jetstar executive has been accused of engaging in 'funny business" with a woman on a fold-down seat in the first-class cabin of a flight from Melbourne to Los Angeles on Friday.
Bruce Buchanan, the airline's commercial general manager, was on Qantas Flight 93 to the US when the incident allegedly took place. After the lights went down on the 14-hour trip, a woman apparently moved to share his seat.
Another first-class passenger complained to a flight attendant, according to people in the cabin at the time.
Sources on the flight said it was not clear what was going on but there was no suggestion the pair were having sex. "It was just funny business," one source said.
It is unclear whether cuddling constitutes a breach of strict behavioural guidelines which apply to airline employees but the incident was enough for staff on the flight to prepare a report for Qantas management.
It raises questions about the behaviour of Jetstar employees, including senior executives such as Mr Buchanan, travelling on discounted staff flights.
Staff must wear "appropriate" clothes, not jeans, and show exemplary behaviour.
Last week Qantas, the parent company of Jetstar, was forced to reinstate a cabin supervisor sacked for breaching policy by taking chocolate-covered macadamia nuts from a flight.
The cabin steward, Philip Woodward-Brown, had been stood down immediately after the offending nuts were discovered on his person during a routine security check in Tokyo last year.
When the incident took place on Friday, Mr Buchanan was travelling to Los Angeles for a holiday.
A Jetstar spokesman confirmed last night the incident was being investigated but said the airline was yet to speak to Mr Buchanan about the complaint.
"We do not believe the event was of a serious nature. A full investigation will take place but we obviously want to hear Mr Buchanan's side of the story," the spokesman said.
Qantas also confirmed that it was investigating the incident but said it did not appear to be a serious offence.
Mr Buchanan, who could not be reached for comment, is due back from his holiday next week.
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I suggest because Qantas/Jetstar through their commercial agreements with the mainstream media, ensure that negative coverage is censored under with the threat of advertising budgets.
You know how we all pity those in the middle east with their governments controlling the media? Guess what..
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Sources on the flight said it was not clear what was going on but there was no suggestion the pair were having sex. "It was just funny business," one source said.
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Ever since the episode of Bruce Buchanan and the alleged hanky panky I've kept it in my back pocket as a counter argument if ever someone tries to go me for something I've done wrong. I'd suggest that just about every action short of physically punching someone can now be over looked with the precedent that has been set with Bruce.
As you say Hat, a class act that one!
As you say Hat, a class act that one!
JC is that double irony because the hearing is tomorrow March 31! I'm hoping that tomorrow will be the last day of hearings so that the report can be tabled. This has gone way past what was originally intended but for very good reason. As for those who think that it won't change anything, it already has and has cost one J* exec his job. Of course it won't necessarily get rid of the person responsible for this fetid corporate culture but a start has to be made somewhere and at the very least will demonstrate to the HR department that they are accountable for their decisions.
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at the very least will demonstrate to the HR department that they are accountable for their decisions.
Wouldn't Flt Ops, IR or Legal department be actually writing up the said employment contracts?